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So before I start, I would like to say if you are going to come in here and say just press R or whatever thing you think is right, don't do it.
I am trying to think of more unique ways to play zvp as I absolutely refuse to play the turtle do absolutely nothing and wait till toss attacks me zvp.
So I was thinking of ways to get some unique ideas to mess around with that not many people do and thought to myself that I should just make a blog asking people. I don't care what level you are, high, low, whatever it doesn't matter. I would like to hear some ideas you guys think should be tried or done in zvp that is rarely seen or never seen. I am willing to experiment with pretty much anything, but I am not a creative person at all. All you have to do is look at my guides I post and realize I get the idea from someone else and just do my own refinement ^^.
So with that TL, shoot me some ideas. I don't care how dumb it sounds, I may not try everything but I want to hear some ideas.
Thanks! :D
 
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have you done roach + nydus stuff? thats pretty cool
On June 18 2012 17:16 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:
i dont play zvp but did all the drops based strats disapear ? like u could go infestor play and just get banelings with +2, and play macro with mass counter and drops ? idk i dont ever see that anymore and dont play the mu so i dont know the reason, but its really fun to watch and multitasking is fun, idk if it works tho
also muta nydus mb i know mrbitter used to say it would be the zvp revolution and ive never seen a game with it so mb try that ?
also try the nestea rush that he failed vs creator and post rep pls
LOL
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i dont play zvp but did all the drops based strats disapear ? like u could go infestor play and just get banelings with +2, and play macro with mass counter and drops ? idk i dont ever see that anymore and dont play the mu so i dont know the reason, but its really fun to watch and multitasking is fun, idk if it works tho
also muta nydus mb i know mrbitter used to say it would be the zvp revolution and ive never seen a game with it so mb try that ?
also try the nestea rush that he failed vs creator and post rep pls
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I have done roach/nydus, not to much but I have done it a little bit.
Grr what's the nestea rush? I don't think I saw that game so I am not quiet sure what that is xD.
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On June 18 2012 17:10 honed wrote:
have you done roach + nydus stuff? thats pretty cool
Its actually very cool, I remember when ViOlet did this a while ago on his stream when I was watching and I was awed by it. The double nydus style is very cool I watch your stream a lot Blade, I'm pretty regularly in when I can, YOLO, lol, and this is something I would love to watch you play around with vs P. It takes advantage of protoss inability to have movement and can be done through out the mid game to the late game once you are on 3-4 bases, which is pretty standard. It is countered by the less popular 2 WP style to harrass 2 bases at once, but nobody does that style, or this style other than peoplw with crazy APM like you xD. Its a great and entertaining style and if you don't get featured from this feat of skill idk what will get you featured.
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I've enjoyed doing baneling drops. Dropping 4 banes over mineral lines and doing the baneling drop over the army in engagements. It's a pretty old strat, but it seems to have fallen off lately. I saw some1 do it in DH yesterday and it worked pretty good. Very good with combination with fungals.
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On June 18 2012 17:19 blade55555 wrote:
I have done roach/nydus, not to much but I have done it a little bit.
Grr what's the nestea rush? I don't think I saw that game so I am not quiet sure what that is xD.
im not sure its first game of him vs creator on antiga this season gsl he gets a queen cross map, bring 4 drones, proxy hatch at nat, cancel get creeps tumor and build spines rally mass lings, cant say timing or drone count but it looked so cool ull need to really play a bit with it to gigure it out tho cuz it failed since creator saw the queen moving lol, but its a really cool idea at least, and i guess he wins in practice with it.
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On June 18 2012 17:20 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:10 honed wrote:
have you done roach + nydus stuff? thats pretty cool Its actually very cool, I remember when ViOlet did this a while ago on his stream when I was watching and I was awed by it. The double nydus style is very cool I watch your stream a lot Blade, I'm pretty regularly in when I can, YOLO, lol, and this is something I would love to watch you play around with vs P. It takes advantage of protoss inability to have movement and can be done through out the mid game to the late game once you are on 3-4 bases, which is pretty standard. It is countered by the less popular 2 WP style to harrass 2 bases at once, but nobody does that style, or this style other than peoplw with crazy APM like you xD. Its a great and entertaining style and if you don't get featured from this feat of skill idk what will get you featured.
Oh shit boy I didn't think of doing double nydus. That has potential... Thank you for that, I am totally going to mess around with double nydus starting tomorrow :D. Any other ideas is of course welcome as I want to expand everything.
Also baneling drops, I keep forgetting about that, that is something I am going to try incorporating as well ^_^. Thanks guys for the suggestions keep them coming :D
On June 18 2012 17:25 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:19 blade55555 wrote:
I have done roach/nydus, not to much but I have done it a little bit.
Grr what's the nestea rush? I don't think I saw that game so I am not quiet sure what that is xD. im not sure its first game of him vs creator on antiga this season gsl he gets a queen cross map, bring 4 drones, proxy hatch at nat, cancel get creeps tumor and build spines rally mass lings, cant say timing or drone count but it looked so cool ull need to really play a bit with it to gigure it out tho cuz it failed since creator saw the queen moving lol, but its a really cool idea at least, and i guess he wins in practice with it.
Ah thank you, I will try that for sure then on certain maps. Were the mass lings slow lings? Did he do this off of 2 base i imagine?
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Italy12246 Posts
Definitely baneling drops, that stuff is scary as hell.
Another kinda cool move you could do (ive died to it a couple times and it feels like shit as protoss) is to go muta into ultras; if protoss doesn't scout it and overmakes stalkers it can be a painful experience. Of course if he does scout it you just die so at your level it's probably really risky, but it can be useful in a box series i guess.
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On June 18 2012 17:25 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:20 docvoc wrote:On June 18 2012 17:10 honed wrote:
have you done roach + nydus stuff? thats pretty cool Its actually very cool, I remember when ViOlet did this a while ago on his stream when I was watching and I was awed by it. The double nydus style is very cool I watch your stream a lot Blade, I'm pretty regularly in when I can, YOLO, lol, and this is something I would love to watch you play around with vs P. It takes advantage of protoss inability to have movement and can be done through out the mid game to the late game once you are on 3-4 bases, which is pretty standard. It is countered by the less popular 2 WP style to harrass 2 bases at once, but nobody does that style, or this style other than peoplw with crazy APM like you xD. Its a great and entertaining style and if you don't get featured from this feat of skill idk what will get you featured. Oh shit boy I didn't think of doing double nydus. That has potential... Thank you for that, I am totally going to mess around with double nydus starting tomorrow :D. Any other ideas is of course welcome as I want to expand everything. Also baneling drops, I keep forgetting about that, that is something I am going to try incorporating as well ^_^. Thanks guys for the suggestions keep them coming :D Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:25 CtrlShiftAltGrrrrrrr wrote:On June 18 2012 17:19 blade55555 wrote:
I have done roach/nydus, not to much but I have done it a little bit.
Grr what's the nestea rush? I don't think I saw that game so I am not quiet sure what that is xD. im not sure its first game of him vs creator on antiga this season gsl he gets a queen cross map, bring 4 drones, proxy hatch at nat, cancel get creeps tumor and build spines rally mass lings, cant say timing or drone count but it looked so cool ull need to really play a bit with it to gigure it out tho cuz it failed since creator saw the queen moving lol, but its a really cool idea at least, and i guess he wins in practice with it. Ah thank you, I will try that for sure then on certain maps. Were the mass lings slow lings? Did he do this off of 2 base i imagine?
if i recall he timed speed to finish right as the lings would arrive, but its good to note they come like only once the spines started. off 2 base vs ffe of course, when he failed he took a 3rd and died in a macro game, so i guess if u do dmg u can transition ok. trycky part is not getting scouted i guess, but he was sloppy with not even holding tower control
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Ling/Bling has always been the hipster way to play ZvP.
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On June 18 2012 17:25 blade55555 wrote:
Oh shit boy I didn't think of doing double nydus. That has potential... Thank you for that, I am totally going to mess around with double nydus starting tomorrow :D. Any other ideas is of course welcome as I want to expand everything.
Also baneling drops, I keep forgetting about that, that is something I am going to try incorporating as well ^_^. Thanks guys for the suggestions keep them coming :D
Your stream is going to be insane, hipster jaedong would be proud. I'm tuning in for the Blade-sanity thats going to ensue xD.
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On June 18 2012 17:38 NrGmonk wrote:
Ling/Bling has always been the hipster way to play ZvP.
12 min roach max is the new hipster ZvP.
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On June 18 2012 17:42 TOCHMY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:38 NrGmonk wrote:
Ling/Bling has always been the hipster way to play ZvP. 12 min roach max is the new hipster ZvP.
how is that hipster it was introduced like 1year+ ago when terminus re was first introduced i remember slayers Min beating Genius with it, then nobody did it again, and now it became finally mainstream thx to stephano
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On June 18 2012 17:19 blade55555 wrote:
I have done roach/nydus, not to much but I have done it a little bit.
Grr what's the nestea rush? I don't think I saw that game so I am not quiet sure what that is xD.
14/14 into lair into overlord poop outside their base, 3 spines at their front door to distract, nydus in the mean time. You get lair before speed in most cases so it's tought for it not to be scouted. But protoss are normally like wtf.
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I've been playing a muta style, only making roaches if i scout no 3rd/4th gas, been using that build for about 2 months now...
IDK, I like it, I haven't found a game where I felt I couldn't win.
I mean, if they macro game, you go muta and dictate, if they 2base robo allin, you can win a decent amount of the time with muta/ling/spine, and if they 4gas blink allin, you are sort of forced to base race, which is a good option too.
I saw you post in the discussion about this type of style a few weeks ago, but the muta/double upgraded ling I think can do pretty well with good scouting.
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try some baneling drops i use them with zerg because its... so much fun ^^
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On June 18 2012 17:25 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 17:20 docvoc wrote:On June 18 2012 17:10 honed wrote:
have you done roach + nydus stuff? thats pretty cool Its actually very cool, I remember when ViOlet did this a while ago on his stream when I was watching and I was awed by it. The double nydus style is very cool I watch your stream a lot Blade, I'm pretty regularly in when I can, YOLO, lol, and this is something I would love to watch you play around with vs P. It takes advantage of protoss inability to have movement and can be done through out the mid game to the late game once you are on 3-4 bases, which is pretty standard. It is countered by the less popular 2 WP style to harrass 2 bases at once, but nobody does that style, or this style other than peoplw with crazy APM like you xD. Its a great and entertaining style and if you don't get featured from this feat of skill idk what will get you featured. Oh shit boy I didn't think of doing double nydus. That has potential... Thank you for that, I am totally going to mess around with double nydus starting tomorrow :D. Any other ideas is of course welcome as I want to expand everything.
I don't really post about my strategies on the forums but double nyd on Condemned Ridge is one of the most entertaining ways to play ZvP or ZvZ (I'd say it's more inclined towards zvz since mass roach is acceptable). It has a huge main and a lot of space around the third, giving you plenty of spots that may not be covered by vision. Then just spill out roaches and infestors and all the workers die to fungals and the tech die to roaches.
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Ultra + wHydras! vs deathball. Like I want to see 10+ ultras and hoards of hydras.
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Definitely want some 2base Hydra Busts, with a timely Muta switch to counter the inevitable colossus switch, take advantage of the protoss being defensive to take some more bases and tech to hive /upgrades. After that, a hit and run game with bane drops / doom drops / nydus hydra / infestor squad/ burrow roach, all the while using tons of spines, ultras, infestors to defend.
but mostly i want to see hydras and ultras in ZvP. and nyduses/drops ofc
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Hydra busts with nydus for transportation. Proxy hatch builds :D
Roach baneling drops?
Try the new ZvZ style you made a guide about but in this matchup! Defend with infestor spine until ultra then uber push!
I also read a guide or something once about Ultralisk baneling deathball. I tried it a few times and its actually quite lol-worthy. However, I was in a lower league at the time (probably around low diamond at the time) so I don't know how well it translates into high masters. But the idea is that ultras break the forcefields, the only thing keeping banelings from giving toss armies big splashy hugs.
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Nydus can do wonders the bigger the map.. Mass infestor with nydus. I Saw Losira do this on stream once, he would just nydus everywhere and spam infested terrans and then run away, toss hard really hard time dealing with it.
Another way to get aggressive somewhat midgame, is to use more drop play. Infestor roach baneling can do wonders to trade armies.
But yeh, I am with you Blade. Tired of sittng and turtling...for 40 minutes just to get vortexed and rage quit 
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doubleling with baneling bomb harass!
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Hmm I may try hydra/ultra and ultra/ling/bane/infestor as well. Sound like interesting ideas to try out as well as nydus and baneling drops. Going to just do all this stuff which will make my opponents go "wtf!" hopefully :D
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You should try hydraling as DIMAGA did at some tournament vs col.Killer on Metropolis in March. It was awesome to watch how he won battles vs colossi and HT with that unit comp. Later on any tech is probably viable. I think it would be nice to add baneling bombs and corruptors but you don't need to rush them even if your opponent has colossi or HT already out, you should focus on getting a huge eco ( ~90 drones ) and just throwing stuff at the opponent with this unit composition. Of course, you have to have good creep spread and/or overlord drops to be aggressive.
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On June 19 2012 02:16 blade55555 wrote:
Hmm I may try hydra/ultra and ultra/ling/bane/infestor as well. Sound like interesting ideas to try out as well as nydus and baneling drops. Going to just do all this stuff which will make my opponents go "wtf!" hopefully :D
And then you'll write an excellent guide like you did for other stuff right? RIGHT??? 
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On June 19 2012 04:44 galtdunn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 02:16 blade55555 wrote:
Hmm I may try hydra/ultra and ultra/ling/bane/infestor as well. Sound like interesting ideas to try out as well as nydus and baneling drops. Going to just do all this stuff which will make my opponents go "wtf!" hopefully :D And then you'll write an excellent guide like you did for other stuff right? RIGHT???
Oh but of course, if I like and feel it's solid then of course  .
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On June 19 2012 05:30 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:44 galtdunn wrote:On June 19 2012 02:16 blade55555 wrote:
Hmm I may try hydra/ultra and ultra/ling/bane/infestor as well. Sound like interesting ideas to try out as well as nydus and baneling drops. Going to just do all this stuff which will make my opponents go "wtf!" hopefully :D And then you'll write an excellent guide like you did for other stuff right? RIGHT??? Oh but of course, if I like and feel it's solid then of course .
Awesome! Because of your new ZvZ guide I literally haven't lost any except 1 since i started using it.
And if you look at Luckyfool's blog we obviously can sleep through all of our ZvTs.
It's only toss giving trouble at the moment. Dimaga's play at dreamhack is pretty great though :D
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Gold Protoss player here. Zerg is my toughest match up, and the thing that gets me is when a Zerg doesn't let me expand to my third while he takes 3-4 bases. A couple of different strategies that have got me:
- Roach drop inside the main.
- Roach/Hydra deathball. Especially if I don't have enough collossi up.
- Brood lords absolutely destroy me if I don't have a mothership.
- Mass mutalisks. Unless they are using high templars with storm or archons. They're devastating even to large groups of stalkers, but you need upgrades + their mobility is so annoying.
At the very least keeping a medium sized speedling army on the map stopping a Protoss expand is devastating in the lower leagues. And as a Protoss I always feel slow and immmobile... abuse the fact that toss generally have one giant army in one place.
In saying that, I'm Gold league so take it or leave it
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