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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
On June 19 2012 12:29 ZeromuS wrote: I agree. When SC2 comes to its end I can only hope I don't succumb to spewing vitriol at others for enjoying something new. have you read any thread that involved LoL and Dota lately LOL | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
<3 ZoW lol | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On June 19 2012 12:47 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: have you read any thread that involved LoL and Dota lately LOL ROFL no kidding...the epitome of multipurpose, all-encompassing, pure unadulterated vitriolic rage is LoL/DotA, whether it's discussion or in-game play or what have ye >__< | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On June 19 2012 12:29 ZeromuS wrote: I agree. When SC2 comes to its end I can only hope I don't succumb to spewing vitriol at others for enjoying something new. I've been in tons of communities and seen tons of shit die. It sucks and its sad but you can't hate other people for what they enjoy its actually stupid. Its like yelling at someone because they bought a chocolate ice cream cone and the store ran out of your favourite vanilla. I for one tried to get into BW when I started watching SC2 but with the seriously terrible attitude a number of very vocal people had towards the SC2 side of TL, I couldn't get involved. I asked what an arbiter was and received a ton of pms and got told to go back to my shit game etc etc. I decided it wasn't worth the effort to learn if people were going to be so negative so I went back to my SC2 side of the forum.I enjoy watching BW from time to time and I know it sucks for you guys but seriously you can't discount an individual's feelings based on time they've been on the site. GMarshal hasn't followed BW since 1998, clearly he has no right to say he feels sad BW is slowly dying? Seriously 2pac I think you need to realise that how someone feels and how much they invest into something is personal. And GMarshall could have had BW be just as big an influence in his life as it was to you. Also realise that for many of us, SC2 has had an influence similar to the one you experienced with BW. I don't care about the merits of the games. The influence it has had is important to me and thats the key thing. Have respect for your fellow forum goers and those of us who are passionate about our game. You don't need to like sc2, you don't need to respect it but you need to respect US the people, the users of TL. We are expected to not make asinine comments about the BW graphics and respect how much you like the games, I expect you to respect our choice to watch the game we love just as much. I agree 100%, just agree to disagree and leave it at that. Spewing rage and hatred isn't going to help BW, it isn't going to make SC2 fans switch to BW and it just makes you look like bitter assholes. Live and let live, you don't need to like SC2 you just need to show some common courtesy to your fellow TL members. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
I stand with Zow. | ||
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
On June 19 2012 12:29 ZeromuS wrote: I agree. When SC2 comes to its end I can only hope I don't succumb to spewing vitriol at others for enjoying something new. I've been in tons of communities and seen tons of shit die. It sucks and its sad but you can't hate other people for what they enjoy its actually stupid. Its like yelling at someone because they bought a chocolate ice cream cone and the store ran out of your favourite vanilla. I for one tried to get into BW when I started watching SC2 but with the seriously terrible attitude a number of very vocal people had towards the SC2 side of TL, I couldn't get involved. I asked what an arbiter was and received a ton of pms and got told to go back to my shit game etc etc. I decided it wasn't worth the effort to learn if people were going to be so negative so I went back to my SC2 side of the forum.I enjoy watching BW from time to time and I know it sucks for you guys but seriously you can't discount an individual's feelings based on time they've been on the site. GMarshal hasn't followed BW since 1998, clearly he has no right to say he feels sad BW is slowly dying? Seriously 2pac I think you need to realise that how someone feels and how much they invest into something is personal. And GMarshall could have had BW be just as big an influence in his life as it was to you. Also realise that for many of us, SC2 has had an influence similar to the one you experienced with BW. I don't care about the merits of the games. The influence it has had is important to me and thats the key thing. Have respect for your fellow forum goers and those of us who are passionate about our game. You don't need to like sc2, you don't need to respect it but you need to respect US the people, the users of TL. We are expected to not make asinine comments about the BW graphics and respect how much you like the games, I expect you to respect our choice to watch the game we love just as much. wow you really got that much hate for asking what an arbiter is? did you ask it as innocently as you presented it? I mean fuck that's shitty if it's as you describe. also very contradictory to all the threads in BW forums where SC2 players ask how to get started playing/watching BW. | ||
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Blennd
United States266 Posts
That's fine, just don't get mad when people call pathetic people pathetic. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
I haven't been here very long for BW but I have also left the BW section for other sections on TL when the Hybrid PL started. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On June 19 2012 15:09 Blennd wrote: That's fine, just don't get mad when people call pathetic people pathetic. You might want to read Bwenjarin Raffrack's post on page 8 to get a new perspective on "pathetic people". | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 19 2012 15:09 Blennd wrote: That's fine, just don't get mad when people call pathetic people pathetic. Why would you ever call anybody pathetic unless you yourself want to be remembered as an elitist asshole as well? | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
I followed SCII for several years before it was released reading everything I could about it because I felt that I wouldn't be able to get into the BW scene considering how much long everyone has already been playing the game for so you can guess that I felt excited once SCII was released since I got a chance to start playing the game at the same time as everyone else. I have went back and tried BW and I still have respect for the pros because of the amount of time and dedication that they put in to get where they are. I have watched a lot of vods of flash against Jaedong, Bisu, Stork, etc... and have read a lot of articles such as the Saviour and I am excited to see what the BW pros can do to SCII and hoping that they start to dominate and push the skill level that much higher. As you mentioned and has been mentioned countless times in this blog, the amount of disrespect and mudslinging is ridiculous. I understand and feel for those who are sad over BWs death but what if it can also be seen as a new beginning for the community. I think both sides are guilty of mudslinging though and with time, this problem might fix itself but if not, well, ban away I say! 5/5! | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
If you don't see how sc2 is directly responsible for the end of BW, you are blind. Elitist is fine for my label, and so is asshole. Just know you're calling us that on a website built from the ground up on BW. SC2 has really contributed nothing I wanted to this community. | ||
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fold
Australia665 Posts
On June 19 2012 12:29 ZeromuS wrote: I agree. When SC2 comes to its end I can only hope I don't succumb to spewing vitriol at others for enjoying something new. I've been in tons of communities and seen tons of shit die. It sucks and its sad but you can't hate other people for what they enjoy its actually stupid. Its like yelling at someone because they bought a chocolate ice cream cone and the store ran out of your favourite vanilla. I for one tried to get into BW when I started watching SC2 but with the seriously terrible attitude a number of very vocal people had towards the SC2 side of TL, I couldn't get involved. I asked what an arbiter was and received a ton of pms and got told to go back to my shit game etc etc. I decided it wasn't worth the effort to learn if people were going to be so negative so I went back to my SC2 side of the forum.I enjoy watching BW from time to time and I know it sucks for you guys but seriously you can't discount an individual's feelings based on time they've been on the site. GMarshal hasn't followed BW since 1998, clearly he has no right to say he feels sad BW is slowly dying? Seriously 2pac I think you need to realise that how someone feels and how much they invest into something is personal. And GMarshall could have had BW be just as big an influence in his life as it was to you. Also realise that for many of us, SC2 has had an influence similar to the one you experienced with BW. I don't care about the merits of the games. The influence it has had is important to me and thats the key thing. Have respect for your fellow forum goers and those of us who are passionate about our game. You don't need to like sc2, you don't need to respect it but you need to respect US the people, the users of TL. We are expected to not make asinine comments about the BW graphics and respect how much you like the games, I expect you to respect our choice to watch the game we love just as much. Proof of your tons of PMs? I don't believe people have that much time to do such a thing. What I see a lot of in stream chats is people new to the game repeatedly asking the same question and then saying how shit the BW community is because they couldn't wait a minute to get a reply. You could also look up liquipedia to see what an arbiter does anyway. | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:12 Xenocide_Knight wrote: It's like seeing your favorite and best prize fighter lose to some amateur because he was poisoned before the match. Imagine how angry you would be if Maximus lost to Commodus at the end of Gladiator. Or if V bled to death before managing to kill Creedy in V for Vendetta. If you don't see how sc2 is directly responsible for the end of BW, you are blind. Elitist is fine for my label, and so is asshole. Just know you're calling us that on a website built from the ground up on BW. SC2 has really contributed nothing I wanted to this community. Yes, but this is all secondary to the point GMarshal was attempting to make. I really dislike SC2's gameplay, and I was extremely hyped for the game before it was released, but ended up sticking with BW for various reasons. I also hate that Kespa basically shit all over BW to bolster support for SC2, and I think the hybrid proleague was a terrible position, and would rather Brood War go out on top. HOWEVER, this doesn't give me the right to take all this frustration out on the SC2 Community. It may be the fault of their favorite game that BW is being killed off, but it's not *their* fault. And while it may seem disrespectful for them to be so excited for Kespa players to switch to BW, since it's also something for us to grieve, it's also completely understandable. I hate that while foreign BW is still entertaining, there's so much pettiness flung around, with grudges and fights being dragged out forever, hurting an already small community. I know of many people who are extremely helpful to those coming from SC2 wanting to try out BW, and that's exactly what we should be doing. SC2 built off of something BW started, and TL owes a lot to it. We should be upholding the reputation for excellence that this site deserves, not lashing out at each other. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:32 Funnytoss wrote: Yes, but this is all secondary to the point GMarshal was attempting to make. I really dislike SC2's gameplay, and I was extremely hyped for the game before it was released, but ended up sticking with BW for various reasons. I also hate that Kespa basically shit all over BW to bolster support for SC2, and I think the hybrid proleague was a terrible position, and would rather Brood War go out on top. HOWEVER, this doesn't give me the right to take all this frustration out on the SC2 Community. It may be the fault of their favorite game that BW is being killed off, but it's not *their* fault. And while it may seem disrespectful for them to be so excited for Kespa players to switch to BW, since it's also something for us to grieve, it's also completely understandable. I hate that while foreign BW is still entertaining, there's so much pettiness flung around, with grudges and fights being dragged out forever, hurting an already small community. I know of many people who are extremely helpful to those coming from SC2 wanting to try out BW, and that's exactly what we should be doing. SC2 built off of something BW started, and TL owes a lot to it. We should be upholding the reputation for excellence that this site deserves, not lashing out at each other. Except GMarshal's quotes don't display a lashing out at the SC2 community. Criticisms of SC2 are not criticisms of SC2 fans. The elitist asshole moniker however is prevalent, but no biggie because the BW community has embraced it. Yes we are the elite. It's ironic too because (correct me if i'm wrong) since TL's inception elitism and being the envy of other lowlier forums has been a staple part of TL history. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On June 19 2012 17:32 Funnytoss wrote: Yes, but this is all secondary to the point GMarshal was attempting to make. I really dislike SC2's gameplay, and I was extremely hyped for the game before it was released, but ended up sticking with BW for various reasons. I also hate that Kespa basically shit all over BW to bolster support for SC2, and I think the hybrid proleague was a terrible position, and would rather Brood War go out on top. HOWEVER, this doesn't give me the right to take all this frustration out on the SC2 Community. It may be the fault of their favorite game that BW is being killed off, but it's not *their* fault. And while it may seem disrespectful for them to be so excited for Kespa players to switch to BW, since it's also something for us to grieve, it's also completely understandable. I hate that while foreign BW is still entertaining, there's so much pettiness flung around, with grudges and fights being dragged out forever, hurting an already small community. I know of many people who are extremely helpful to those coming from SC2 wanting to try out BW, and that's exactly what we should be doing. SC2 built off of something BW started, and TL owes a lot to it. We should be upholding the reputation for excellence that this site deserves, not lashing out at each other. Is that secondary? "Oh, you directly killed the game that built this community, please, continue to tell me about how I'm an elitist nostalgic asshole." The only thing that hurts a community more than infighting is getting rid of the original unifying aspect. There was plenty of lashing out and name calling before sc2. But even our worst enemies (protoss players) could be greeted warmly because in the end, we were all fans. You would get to know them over time and share in the same experiences. I loathe protoss but the recent Jangbi finals? I could gush about how amazing that was with the dirtiest of protoss scum. Now it's like the opposite. I meet someone cool and have a nice PM conversation. I automatically reach for our unifying passion, SC. But then, I check their join date and post history. "Oh.. I have nothing in common with you. I have no memories to share with you, no feelings to relate to." | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
Off topic: + Show Spoiler + Some day TL needs to get over the "I joined before you -> Im better/worth more/more important than you" idea thats apparently rooted pretty deeply here. Never seen it in other communities, which Im grateful for after having seen it here. | ||
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ETisME
12739 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:35 Kreb wrote: Good read. The main point is good, even though the ending "rate 1/5 to prove me" was unnecessary. Off topic: + Show Spoiler + Some day TL needs to get over the "I joined before you -> Im better/worth more/more important than you" idea thats apparently rooted pretty deeply here. Never seen it in other communities, which Im grateful for after having seen it here. agreed, almost like 'oldfag' 'newfag' mindset on 4chan. Kind of silly really. | ||
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UltimateHurl
Ireland591 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On June 19 2012 18:35 Kreb wrote: Good read. The main point is good, even though the ending "rate 1/5 to prove me" was unnecessary. Off topic: + Show Spoiler + Some day TL needs to get over the "I joined before you -> Im better/worth more/more important than you" idea thats apparently rooted pretty deeply here. Never seen it in other communities, which Im grateful for after having seen it here. Except it's completely justified. Join date = summer 2010 is probably joined purely to get a beta key. join date >2010 is probably everything they know about BW is stuff they've read in BWvsSC2 threads while they post "give it time" nonsense. I can see from your post history that you take pretty much 0 interest in BW. Don't mistake our elitism. It comes from BW > sc2 and nothing more. Join date just tells us the likely hood of you being an sc2 player. Pre-sc2, I remember very very little join date relevance other than "wow, 2002 you oldschool". Plus, what's inherently wrong with that argument. In terms of probability, older join date = more sc played(hence more skilled), more contributed to the community, more importance to the community. If you haven't noticed, that's also how real life works. Longer time = more experience = more value. Generally speaking of course. | ||
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