On June 05 2012 07:51 Megakenny wrote: I don't know how TLO gets out ranked by a lot of these guys after he almost qualified for Code A.
lost horribly in the german wcs qualifier. even had trouble qualifing for the best 16.
Ppl that didnt hear about titan should rly read the tlpd a bit... mid tier russian - lol. There is no protoss player who has better stats outside of korea vs Stephano. Also, his best matchup isnt PvZ... its clearly PvT.
What about babyknight? =D
On June 05 2012 09:06 Palmar wrote: I love this list.
I would actually like to hear slightly more reasoning with each player, but that sounds like a lot of work. I also like how it creates fun discussion about players. And don't take the comments about your list being "wrong" personally, everyone is biased one way or another.
Wait for MLG Anaheim preview. You'll be in for a treat.
On June 05 2012 07:51 Megakenny wrote: I don't know how TLO gets out ranked by a lot of these guys after he almost qualified for Code A.
lost horribly in the german wcs qualifier. even had trouble qualifing for the best 16.
Ppl that didnt hear about titan should rly read the tlpd a bit... mid tier russian - lol. There is no protoss player who has better stats outside of korea vs Stephano. Also, his best matchup isnt PvZ... its clearly PvT.
On June 05 2012 09:06 Palmar wrote: I love this list.
I would actually like to hear slightly more reasoning with each player, but that sounds like a lot of work. I also like how it creates fun discussion about players. And don't take the comments about your list being "wrong" personally, everyone is biased one way or another.
Wait for MLG Anaheim preview. You'll be in for a treat.
YAYYY!!!! Can you release it more than like 10 minutes before the tournament begins though? For me that always seems to happen.
On June 05 2012 09:20 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Can't wait for LastShadow to start playing in some big tourneys and get on this list
There was Red Bull LAN, though he was basically dealt a near-winnable hand by being placed in a group with Ret, Squirtle and PartinG. I honestly wonder why he doesn't attend more tournaments, the guy moved to Korea to train, yet prior to RBL, hadn't participated in a LAN for years.
Nani makes it to Code S ro8 and is the second best foreigner? That boggles me a little. Could just be "I don't like Stephano's playstyle" rearing its head. Also, Demuslim beat Hero in NASL, but he dropped two spots? Seems weird to me. Otherwise, I rather like the list! ^.^
I don't follow GSL at all - but can someone explain me why HuK is top 5. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge, huge fan of his play and tune into his matches when I get the chance - but its not that often sadly. However, recently whenever I see him play, he's usually on the losing end ( I could be wrong and just get unlucky with the games I see, but still). What has he done to justify his top 5 ranking?
On June 05 2012 19:43 sixfour wrote: demuslim being ranked and bling not being ranked seems odd to me
demuslim delivers permanently at teamleagues and NASL, beating great players like HerO and Ryung. While BlinG won their duels, he never had a great appearance anywhere else. Also, his best mu is TvP, while demuslims PvT was subpar for a long time (he seems to get the hang of it now).
If you put Demsulim and BlinG in the same group of 10 players, Demuslim would clearly be the favorite to do better atm. It would simply be unfair to rank BlinG atm, although he obviously has the talent to easily be in the top 30.
On June 05 2012 15:45 mahi29 wrote: I don't follow GSL at all - but can someone explain me why HuK is top 5. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge, huge fan of his play and tune into his matches when I get the chance - but its not that often sadly. However, recently whenever I see him play, he's usually on the losing end ( I could be wrong and just get unlucky with the games I see, but still). What has he done to justify his top 5 ranking?
you have to see that he comes from a top 2 rank and it was 100% justified 3 months ago. Yes, he had bad performances in the meanwhile, but he also plays against great player more consistantly than others. I wont players of his or IdrA's caliber too fast, simply because those players could potentially do great stuff even against koreans, and then suddenly your ranking gets invalid. If HuK keeps underperforming for a longer time, he obviously will slowly drop in ranks, just as idra did in the past 3 months.
So do i overrate HuK only concidering the results of last month? Yes, most likely. Does he still deserve a top 5 spot? I believe that he barely does.
You don't mention Welmu neither, that's really surprising he has been very strong in team leagues for Eclypsia and has been beasting since the Gathering.
Wow, once more a great list ! Props to KalWarkov !
Demuslim might be doing good while sitting behind his own PC, in a comfortable and well known environment. But when do you ever see him qualifying for a major tournament ? Never.
Eventhough he has dropped two places, I still think he shouldn't be in the top 20. Because rating a player should be done in the best circumstances...on a stage, with a crowd, an unknown environment..
I feel that counts for Sheth, Happy and Select aswell !
Also, I am wondering about Feast, no doubt he has great potential, but since he has been quite inactive..why did he go up ?
Last, concerning Snute...I think he is closest to being in the top 30 out of all the other good players who didn't make the top 30.
On June 05 2012 21:19 Otolia wrote: You don't mention Welmu neither, that's really surprising he has been very strong in team leagues for Eclypsia and has been beasting since the Gathering.
true. i dont think he yet deserves a mentioning. he, just like babyknight, seiplo, bly and around 25 other players are in the following list that i dont publish^^ it would be too much!
On June 05 2012 21:19 Otolia wrote: You don't mention Welmu neither, that's really surprising he has been very strong in team leagues for Eclypsia and has been beasting since the Gathering.
true. i dont think he yet deserves a mentioning. he, just like babyknight, seiplo, bly and around 25 other players are in the following list that i dont publish^^ it would be too much!
Hm, you do have Axslav in your "following 20" list, and I do think that Welmu is at least on Axslav's level at the moment, imho he's better by quite a bit, especially if you look at their recent performances (compare their results in IPL TAC3 for example).
On June 05 2012 07:44 NrGmonk wrote: Grubby is way way too low. He recently 3-0'd Ret and beat him again in a bo3, not sure about the score. Won against morrow, bling, socke, titan, darkforce, and beat ryung and oz at mlg spring. He's definitely had better results than mana, shelth, morrow, or happy in the recent few months.
Don't understand why morrow got +5.
This. I'd say it's pretty safe to say that Grubby is a top 10 foreigner now, based on last months results.
Other than that, decent list again. (Ofc I still think you overrate Happy who sucks at LAN, where it matters. )
Grubby defenetly has top 10, if not better performances occasionally. His problem is still consistency i feel. He just yesterday lost in round 4 of the HSC qualifiers (which are obviously not as important) against Forsen. Things like these still happen too often to rate him top 10 i feel. But i agree rank 13 or 14 would be satisfied probably.
On June 07 2012 00:41 KalWarkov wrote: Grubby defenetly has top 10, if not better performances occasionally. His problem is still consistency i feel. He just yesterday lost in round 4 of the HSC qualifiers (which are obviously not as important) against Forsen. Things like these still happen too often to rate him top 10 i feel. But i agree rank 13 or 14 would be satisfied probably.
You do realise that round of the HSC qualifier were BO1 matches, which is very different in a BO3. It's the same thing as not being able to get like a 90% win score while laddering.
I don't understand how Kas can be higher than LucifroN o_o. His TvP is a bit shaky but his TvZ and his TvT are monstruous... And he still has room to improve. Kas is doing very good as well but almost only online... They should be reverted with LucifroN 7th and Kas 9th imo. Other than that it's hard to judge players that we don't see (Feast, ToD). Oh and why is IdrA so high again? Illusion has been performing far better for a looong time.
Ret it's hard to judge, sometimes he does very good, sometimes he disappoints... But you got the most important (top 3) right, the bottom is really hard to judge and there will always be bias because results only are hard to compare. Nice idea.
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