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Top30 Foreigners (June 2012)

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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 14:03:33
June 04 2012 22:05 GMT
#1
Introduction or: Where is Sen?
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Hi guys!

To my and hopefully your excitement, i created a list of the best 30 foreign players. As you may know, those lists are rly subjective. I try to look at achievements and latest results, but its unavoidable to get personal opinions into this.
There is no such thing as the perfect „ranking“, but i enjoy doing those, most ppl enjoy reading them, but not many ppl put rankings out there.
My ranking is purely about foreign players and i exclude asian, non korean players as well – that means you wont find chinese or taiwanese players in my ranking. The simple reason being: i dont have much information about these scenes. I obviously know that Sen, Xigua and also MacSed are great players, but its impossible to compare them to the players in EU and NA. So you could consider it a „Western Foreigner Top 30“.

I put quite some work into it and i hope i get at least some reads, since i think a ranking made by a random person should be posted as a blog and not as a thread in the general section, even though it might end up with no responses at all.

So here is the list for this month! (i try to release one every month)





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------ 1. (Wiki)Stephano ------ 2.(Wiki)NaNiWa ------ 3.(Wiki)ThorZaiN ------
------ 4. (Wiki)HuK ------ 5.(Wiki)SaSe ------ 6.(Wiki)Ret ------
------ 7. (Wiki)Kas ------ 8.(Wiki)Nerchio ------ 9.(Wiki)Lucifron ------
------ 10. (Wiki)MaNa ------ 11.(Wiki)Sheth ------ 12.(Wiki)MorroW ------
------ 13. (Wiki)Socke ------ 14.(Wiki)Happy ------ 15.(Wiki)Dimaga ------
------ 16. (Wiki)Grubby ------ 17.(Wiki)TitaN ------ 18.(Wiki)DeMusliM ------
------ 19. (Wiki)SeleCt ------ 20.(Wiki)IdrA ------ 21.(Wiki)Feast ------
------ 22. (Wiki)HasuObs ------ 23.(Wiki)BratOK ------ 24.(Wiki)NightEnD ------
------- 25. (Wiki)SjoW ------ 26.(Wiki)ToD ------ 27.(Wiki)WhiteRa ------
------ 28. (Wiki)Beastyqt ------ 29.(Wiki)sLivko ------ 30.(Wiki)Illusion ------






The following 20:

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biGs
DarKFoRcE
Vortix
Snute
LoWeLy
LiveZerg
KiLLeR
TLO
Tefel
Bly


ClouD
Jinro
DieStar
GoOdy
Strelok
MajoR


Axlav
Adelscott
elfitaja
BlinG
Fraer





Please leave a comment about how you like my ranking, what u think i could do better and stuff like that.
Which players are overrated? which are underrated? Did i leave out players completely?





Ty for clicking & reading once more !


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DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Cheater23
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States34 Posts
June 04 2012 22:31 GMT
#2
Illusion in the top 30! woot
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
June 04 2012 22:37 GMT
#3
Illusion still needs to be higher, Mana, even though i love him, isn't top 10, and Idra may still be a tiny bit too high. Good list though.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 04 2012 22:40 GMT
#4
On June 05 2012 07:37 MCDayC wrote:
Illusion still needs to be higher, Mana, even though i love him, isn't top 10, and Idra may still be a tiny bit too high. Good list though.


i agree on MaNa not rly being top 10 - but there isnt a 10th player for the top 10 atm. all players beind him just got to that point and arent rly better than him as well i feel
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
June 04 2012 22:44 GMT
#5
Grubby is way way too low. He recently 3-0'd Ret and beat him again in a bo3, not sure about the score. Won against morrow, bling, socke, titan, darkforce, and beat ryung and oz at mlg spring. He's definitely had better results than mana, shelth, morrow, or happy in the recent few months.

Don't understand why morrow got +5.
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Plutonik
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada329 Posts
June 04 2012 22:47 GMT
#6
no minigun?
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 04 2012 22:47 GMT
#7
Feast is a beast and could potentially be Stephano material (without the controversy) but he hasn't done anything recently.
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
June 04 2012 22:51 GMT
#8
I don't know how TLO gets out ranked by a lot of these guys after he almost qualified for Code A.
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 23:01:59
June 04 2012 22:52 GMT
#9
On June 05 2012 07:44 NrGmonk wrote:
Grubby is way way too low. He recently 3-0'd Ret and beat him again in a bo3, not sure about the score. Won against morrow, bling, socke, titan, darkforce, and beat ryung and oz at mlg spring. He's definitely had better results than mana, shelth, morrow, or happy in the recent few months.

Don't understand why morrow got +5.

Did Morrow even play in any tournaments in May?
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
June 04 2012 22:54 GMT
#10
Glad to see a couple American flags up on that list ;-)

Also, I hope we see more of LucifroN and Illusion in the future, I think they have lots of talent and can both move up that list!
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Knap4life
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Slovenia333 Posts
June 04 2012 22:56 GMT
#11
Who is Titan? I never heard of him, Anyone can give me a quick review of him?
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
June 04 2012 23:00 GMT
#12
On June 05 2012 07:56 Knap4life wrote:
Who is Titan? I never heard of him, Anyone can give me a quick review of him?


Mid-tier Russian player. Best result is probably 4th at WCG where he beat players like Kiwikaki and Supernova. I think he won a RaidCall Invitational as well? Maybe he was second.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 04 2012 23:04 GMT
#13
On June 05 2012 07:44 NrGmonk wrote:
Grubby is way way too low. He recently 3-0'd Ret and beat him again in a bo3, not sure about the score. Won against morrow, bling, socke, titan, darkforce, and beat ryung and oz at mlg spring. He's definitely had better results than mana, shelth, morrow, or happy in the recent few months.

Don't understand why morrow got +5.


4-0 idra for example.
played great games in teamleagues for mouz.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 04 2012 23:31 GMT
#14
On June 05 2012 07:51 Megakenny wrote:
I don't know how TLO gets out ranked by a lot of these guys after he almost qualified for Code A.


lost horribly in the german wcs qualifier. even had trouble qualifing for the best 16.


Ppl that didnt hear about titan should rly read the tlpd a bit...
mid tier russian - lol.
There is no protoss player who has better stats outside of korea vs Stephano.
Also, his best matchup isnt PvZ... its clearly PvT.


@ grubby's rank
he probably is slightly underrated by me atm, could be 13th or 14th. But i hesitate to overrate him, since i love him since i watched him first in wc3 2007. dont wanna let my fanboyism out too much, so i rather put him higher slowly.

again, making such a ranking is incredibly hard to make. you forget about single results that happened. i try my best and appreciate your feedback

thanks guys!
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Soloturtle
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada333 Posts
June 04 2012 23:52 GMT
#15
I think NightEnd is much higher than 24.
Although he isn't putting many results up, he's GM on kr server
KOREA SERVER, not to mention that some of these foreigners up there can't make GM on KR if they trained there.
Cool
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 05 2012 00:06 GMT
#16
I love this list.

I would actually like to hear slightly more reasoning with each player, but that sounds like a lot of work. I also like how it creates fun discussion about players. And don't take the comments about your list being "wrong" personally, everyone is biased one way or another.
Computer says mafia
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 00:09:38
June 05 2012 00:09 GMT
#17
I feel like Demuslim should be slightly closer to the top and Sase a bit lower, but otherwise I agree with the list.
Write your own song!
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 05 2012 00:09 GMT
#18
On June 05 2012 09:06 Palmar wrote:
I love this list.

I would actually like to hear slightly more reasoning with each player, but that sounds like a lot of work. I also like how it creates fun discussion about players. And don't take the comments about your list being "wrong" personally, everyone is biased one way or another.



haha i dont, its normal that everyone has different opinions.
i thought about reasonings for players, at least for those who dropped / upped a lot in their rank. But its a shitton of work, you need to read all players TLPD of the month. Also, i dont feel that my english is fluent enough for stuff like that.
An open discussion is ok as well i guess - at least for now.
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Megakenny
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada829 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 00:12:43
June 05 2012 00:10 GMT
#19
On June 05 2012 08:31 KalWarkov wrote:
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On June 05 2012 07:51 Megakenny wrote:
I don't know how TLO gets out ranked by a lot of these guys after he almost qualified for Code A.


lost horribly in the german wcs qualifier. even had trouble qualifing for the best 16.


Ppl that didnt hear about titan should rly read the tlpd a bit...
mid tier russian - lol.
There is no protoss player who has better stats outside of korea vs Stephano.
Also, his best matchup isnt PvZ... its clearly PvT.


@ grubby's rank
he probably is slightly underrated by me atm, could be 13th or 14th. But i hesitate to overrate him, since i love him since i watched him first in wc3 2007. dont wanna let my fanboyism out too much, so i rather put him higher slowly.

again, making such a ranking is incredibly hard to make. you forget about single results that happened. i try my best and appreciate your feedback

thanks guys!


I should have said mid-tier European(do Russian players play on the EU server? I don't know. I always assumed they did), hes definitely not top tier in my opinion. Beating Stephano and losing to other players doesn't mean hes amazing, he just has Stephanos number.
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
June 05 2012 00:20 GMT
#20
Can't wait for LastShadow to start playing in some big tourneys and get on this list
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
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