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Introduction or: Where is Sen?+ Show Spoiler +
Hi guys!
To my and hopefully your excitement, i created a list of the best 30 foreign players. As you may know, those lists are rly subjective. I try to look at achievements and latest results, but its unavoidable to get personal opinions into this.
There is no such thing as the perfect „ranking“, but i enjoy doing those, most ppl enjoy reading them, but not many ppl put rankings out there.
My ranking is purely about foreign players and i exclude asian, non korean players as well – that means you wont find chinese or taiwanese players in my ranking. The simple reason being: i dont have much information about these scenes. I obviously know that Sen, Xigua and also MacSed are great players, but its impossible to compare them to the players in EU and NA. So you could consider it a „Western Foreigner Top 30“.
I put quite some work into it and i hope i get at least some reads, since i think a ranking made by a random person should be posted as a blog and not as a thread in the general section, even though it might end up with no responses at all.
So here is the list for this month! (i try to release one every month)
  
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Illusion in the top 30! woot
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United Kingdom14464 Posts
Illusion still needs to be higher, Mana, even though i love him, isn't top 10, and Idra may still be a tiny bit too high. Good list though.
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On June 05 2012 07:37 MCDayC wrote:
Illusion still needs to be higher, Mana, even though i love him, isn't top 10, and Idra may still be a tiny bit too high. Good list though.
i agree on MaNa not rly being top 10 - but there isnt a 10th player for the top 10 atm. all players beind him just got to that point and arent rly better than him as well i feel
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Grubby is way way too low. He recently 3-0'd Ret and beat him again in a bo3, not sure about the score. Won against morrow, bling, socke, titan, darkforce, and beat ryung and oz at mlg spring. He's definitely had better results than mana, shelth, morrow, or happy in the recent few months.
Don't understand why morrow got +5.
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Feast is a beast and could potentially be Stephano material (without the controversy) but he hasn't done anything recently.
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I don't know how TLO gets out ranked by a lot of these guys after he almost qualified for Code A.
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On June 05 2012 07:44 NrGmonk wrote:
Grubby is way way too low. He recently 3-0'd Ret and beat him again in a bo3, not sure about the score. Won against morrow, bling, socke, titan, darkforce, and beat ryung and oz at mlg spring. He's definitely had better results than mana, shelth, morrow, or happy in the recent few months.
Don't understand why morrow got +5.
Did Morrow even play in any tournaments in May?
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Glad to see a couple American flags up on that list ;-)
Also, I hope we see more of LucifroN and Illusion in the future, I think they have lots of talent and can both move up that list!
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Who is Titan? I never heard of him, Anyone can give me a quick review of him?
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On June 05 2012 07:56 Knap4life wrote:
Who is Titan? I never heard of him, Anyone can give me a quick review of him?
Mid-tier Russian player. Best result is probably 4th at WCG where he beat players like Kiwikaki and Supernova. I think he won a RaidCall Invitational as well? Maybe he was second.
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On June 05 2012 07:44 NrGmonk wrote:
Grubby is way way too low. He recently 3-0'd Ret and beat him again in a bo3, not sure about the score. Won against morrow, bling, socke, titan, darkforce, and beat ryung and oz at mlg spring. He's definitely had better results than mana, shelth, morrow, or happy in the recent few months.
Don't understand why morrow got +5.
4-0 idra for example.
played great games in teamleagues for mouz.
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On June 05 2012 07:51 Megakenny wrote:
I don't know how TLO gets out ranked by a lot of these guys after he almost qualified for Code A.
lost horribly in the german wcs qualifier. even had trouble qualifing for the best 16.
Ppl that didnt hear about titan should rly read the tlpd a bit...
mid tier russian - lol.
There is no protoss player who has better stats outside of korea vs Stephano.
Also, his best matchup isnt PvZ... its clearly PvT.
@ grubby's rank
he probably is slightly underrated by me atm, could be 13th or 14th. But i hesitate to overrate him, since i love him since i watched him first in wc3 2007. dont wanna let my fanboyism out too much, so i rather put him higher slowly.
again, making such a ranking is incredibly hard to make. you forget about single results that happened. i try my best and appreciate your feedback 
thanks guys!
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I think NightEnd is much higher than 24.
Although he isn't putting many results up, he's GM on kr server
KOREA SERVER, not to mention that some of these foreigners up there can't make GM on KR if they trained there.
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I love this list.
I would actually like to hear slightly more reasoning with each player, but that sounds like a lot of work. I also like how it creates fun discussion about players. And don't take the comments about your list being "wrong" personally, everyone is biased one way or another.
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I feel like Demuslim should be slightly closer to the top and Sase a bit lower, but otherwise I agree with the list.
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On June 05 2012 09:06 Palmar wrote:
I love this list.
I would actually like to hear slightly more reasoning with each player, but that sounds like a lot of work. I also like how it creates fun discussion about players. And don't take the comments about your list being "wrong" personally, everyone is biased one way or another.
haha i dont, its normal that everyone has different opinions.
i thought about reasonings for players, at least for those who dropped / upped a lot in their rank. But its a shitton of work, you need to read all players TLPD of the month. Also, i dont feel that my english is fluent enough for stuff like that.
An open discussion is ok as well i guess - at least for now.
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On June 05 2012 08:31 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 07:51 Megakenny wrote:
I don't know how TLO gets out ranked by a lot of these guys after he almost qualified for Code A. lost horribly in the german wcs qualifier. even had trouble qualifing for the best 16. Ppl that didnt hear about titan should rly read the tlpd a bit... mid tier russian - lol. There is no protoss player who has better stats outside of korea vs Stephano. Also, his best matchup isnt PvZ... its clearly PvT. @ grubby's rank he probably is slightly underrated by me atm, could be 13th or 14th. But i hesitate to overrate him, since i love him since i watched him first in wc3 2007. dont wanna let my fanboyism out too much, so i rather put him higher slowly. again, making such a ranking is incredibly hard to make. you forget about single results that happened. i try my best and appreciate your feedback thanks guys!
I should have said mid-tier European(do Russian players play on the EU server? I don't know. I always assumed they did), hes definitely not top tier in my opinion. Beating Stephano and losing to other players doesn't mean hes amazing, he just has Stephanos number.
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Can't wait for LastShadow to start playing in some big tourneys and get on this list
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Stephano ------ 2.
