• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:18
CEST 16:18
KST 23:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27
Community News
Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."1Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.3Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)12BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson." Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey. I have an extra ticket to the GSL Ro4/finals
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games BW General Discussion FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 28165 users

Top30 Foreigners (June 2012) - Page 3

Blogs > KalWarkov
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-09 07:27:13
June 09 2012 07:25 GMT
#41
I could see Bly as a part of a top-10. He is winning cups left and right this year, just took another 5 gold medals in may; defeated "top-5-player"-HuK in Spring Arena and three-killed Prime. I would see him in front of many zergs in this List, maybe even in front of all except Stephano.

Other than that I could see Tefel on that list, Beasty, Hasu and Illusion a bit higher and Happy, Sheth, HuK and (as much as it hurts me to say) Dimaga a bit lower. But otherwise great work as always.

Edit: Sry for grammar, but I just watched MLG the whole night and I am really tired right now.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
June 09 2012 14:03 GMT
#42
On June 09 2012 16:25 Xoronius wrote:
I could see Bly as a part of a top-10. He is winning cups left and right this year, just took another 5 gold medals in may; defeated "top-5-player"-HuK in Spring Arena and three-killed Prime. I would see him in front of many zergs in this List, maybe even in front of all except Stephano.

Other than that I could see Tefel on that list, Beasty, Hasu and Illusion a bit higher and Happy, Sheth, HuK and (as much as it hurts me to say) Dimaga a bit lower. But otherwise great work as always.

Edit: Sry for grammar, but I just watched MLG the whole night and I am really tired right now.


Bly is a very abusive player and winning online cups isnt too much an achievement. any top 30 player would constantly win online cups if they would participate more often.

Yes, he beat HuK lately and had a good run just as tefel, but thats pretty much all he did on an international scale (despite his great performance in IPLTAC3 vs prime). the problem is: who would you leave out for him? i cant make it a top35 just because some players might be as good as rank 25-30. i have to stick with 30. if i dont, we have 50 players in the ranking in 3 months^^
DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM | Dota2 - Offlane Immortal | Wc3 - Undead decent level | Diablo nerd | Chess / Magnus fanboy | BVB | Agnostic***
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 09 2012 14:43 GMT
#43
What has Lucifron done to deserve such a high spot?
I think esports is pretty nice.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
June 10 2012 03:41 GMT
#44
On June 09 2012 23:03 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 16:25 Xoronius wrote:
I could see Bly as a part of a top-10. He is winning cups left and right this year, just took another 5 gold medals in may; defeated "top-5-player"-HuK in Spring Arena and three-killed Prime. I would see him in front of many zergs in this List, maybe even in front of all except Stephano.

Other than that I could see Tefel on that list, Beasty, Hasu and Illusion a bit higher and Happy, Sheth, HuK and (as much as it hurts me to say) Dimaga a bit lower. But otherwise great work as always.

Edit: Sry for grammar, but I just watched MLG the whole night and I am really tired right now.


Bly is a very abusive player and winning online cups isnt too much an achievement. any top 30 player would constantly win online cups if they would participate more often.

Yes, he beat HuK lately and had a good run just as tefel, but thats pretty much all he did on an international scale (despite his great performance in IPLTAC3 vs prime). the problem is: who would you leave out for him? i cant make it a top35 just because some players might be as good as rank 25-30. i have to stick with 30. if i dont, we have 50 players in the ranking in 3 months^^


Yeah, sure, but like I said, I could replace pretty much anyone of that list with Bly. I mean, what did for example Sheth, SeleCT or Slivko do, what would jusitfy ranking them above him?

And winning online cups means smth.. If someone has a "breakout performance" in a major tournament, you can almost everytime look at the results of online-cups 1-2 months before and you will find the name there.
Champloo
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1850 Posts
June 12 2012 00:05 GMT
#45
Huk, Ret, Mana, Morrow, Lucifron too high.

Socke, Grubby, Illusion too low.
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 13:00:27
June 12 2012 12:47 GMT
#46
Sase should get a bit higher after MLG, passing Huk and maybe Thorzain.
Nerchio is back in form (TLPD #2) and should pass Ret+Kas.
Why did Feast get a +3? I would have put him further down since he is concentrating on school ATM and not playing much (and no especially good results).

Bly should finally make the Top30 after his 3-kill vs Prime in IPLTAC.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 13:31:34
June 12 2012 13:28 GMT
#47
i will give my (subjectiv) opinion on the current ranking.

Idra should not be part of the list. his biggest achievement in 2012 was 4th in the USA Nationals. Nothing against him but he does not deserve a spot here atm.

Slightly lower:
Nerchio, Dimaga, Titan, Select

A lot lower: Mana, Sheth, Happy, ToD, Beasty

A Lot higher: Socke, Grubby, HasuObs

Slightly higher: Illusion, SaSe

Consider to take in: Darkforce, Elfi
Cj hero | Zest
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 04:25:24
June 22 2012 04:13 GMT
#48
Fraer should be in there and I also think Mana and maybe even Dimaga is abit to low considering how well all these 3 played at Dreamhack. Select and Idra also way to high Illusion should be higher. Vibe should be mention he just won the American WCG. But beside these small nitpickings the list looks pretty solid.

Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
11:00
WardiTV June Playoffs
MaxPax vs SolarLIVE!
MaNa vs TBD
Reynor vs Creator
Gerald vs Spirit
WardiTV1626
TKL 315
IndyStarCraft 222
Rex201
LiquipediaDiscussion
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Sea Duckling Open #135
CranKy Ducklings14
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 315
IndyStarCraft 222
Rex 201
Hui .165
BRAT_OK 114
ProTech90
Dewaltoss 71
MindelVK 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 46547
Calm 7351
Rain 3499
Horang2 2383
Bisu 1314
BeSt 642
Mini 415
Light 352
Sharp 281
Nal_rA 210
[ Show more ]
Zeus 194
Soulkey 187
Last 93
Mind 85
ToSsGirL 34
scan(afreeca) 22
Terrorterran 20
HiyA 11
sSak 10
IntoTheRainbow 9
JulyZerg 8
Noble 7
ajuk12(nOOB) 7
SilentControl 6
Rock 5
Dota 2
Gorgc6042
qojqva2068
XcaliburYe283
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Dendi136
Counter-Strike
flusha637
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor433
Other Games
singsing2488
B2W.Neo937
C9.Mang0522
DeMusliM430
Lowko389
Beastyqt371
crisheroes240
Fuzer 200
XaKoH 94
ArmadaUGS59
Trikslyr33
FunKaTv 17
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9172
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream4634
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 18
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 32
• Adnapsc2 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3272
• WagamamaTV292
League of Legends
• Nemesis7129
Upcoming Events
Cheesadelphia
42m
CSO Cup
2h 42m
BSL: ProLeague
3h 42m
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
GSL Code S
17h 42m
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 42m
WardiTV Qualifier
1d 1h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 3h
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Wardi Open
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-11
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.