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On May 07 2012 18:40 Azera wrote:
Aphasie,
Would you mind explaining a bit about how you learnt to lucid dream, and your experiences while in the process of learning? Were there any scary stuff, sleep paralysis and whatnot?
I just did the stuff i read online, i bet you can find it anywhere. But it basically is a three step program:
1. Remembering your dreams. You always remember your dreams better when youre in the process of rejoining the waking life. So the first couple of minutes you wake up, dont get out bed, but try to remember what you dreamt. The more details the better. I also recommend keeping a dream journal. Its a diary of all your dream and helps you remember. At first you'll probably have a hard time remembering most of your last dream (before you woke) but with practice you can remember 5-6 dreams. Once you can remember most of your dreams vividly, the hard part is over.
2. Realizing youre dreaming. There are some techniques but i dont remember any. Looking at yourself in the mirror is one i guess. It came naturally to me. Because through the training you try to remember dreams as youre dreaming them, so you (or at least I) was able to say "Hey because im trying to remember this, its probably a dream".
3. Then you start experimenting, change things a little by little. For instance follow the flow of the dream, and because you should be self-aware at this point. If youre about to walk through a door, stop, picture in your minds eye what the room should look like, and when you go through the door (eventually) it will look like just that. Start out by changing small things, incrementing over time. After a while you will get better at it. Full creative consciousness (like the city in sky) was a rarity for me (and took away some of the adventure). I liked being placed within a context and changing what i dont like. Your sub-consciousness is more imaginetive (or novel) than the regular consciousness (my experience at least) so going with the flow can be much nicer.
About bad experiences: Yes I have had sleep paralysis. Its in the nature of the game, it makes sense because youre struggling to get conscious and havent yet learned the skills to decide what to do. It is frightening, sure, but a lot of cool things are. And also (in the start) when you try to remember dreams, the bad part is that you also remember nightmares. I remember one time i was forced at gunpoint to do a snuff movie. And that girl... she... fuck. It was just outright disgusting. For ref. ive never seen anything like that, but imagine something like the guy and the prostitute in Se7en (movie) or American psycho (the book) and take it from there. Ive never forgotten that dream. But its hazards of the game and for me the reward was worth the risk. It like doing drugs, you do it out of your own volition. Its worth it from my experience.
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Thanks for the reply!
I guess I'm in a dilemma now, to try or not to try? I'm really scared about seeing those frightening supernatural things and I have them locked up in a pretty deep place in my brain and I can't imagine what I'll do if I unlock that cage. I'll probably scream, shout, and piss myself.
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Well, the good thing is that its only a dream (so to speak). If things get too intense its a good chance you'll wake up. Just fiddle around a couple of minutes 'till its out of your system. Really theres nothing to be afraid of, no permanent damage will happen, think about it like a more intense and free version of your own imagination.
Go for it!
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Actually, when you see yourself in a mirror in your dream (While lucid) you're supposed to see what you, actually deep down, think of yourself
I haven't tried it because:
a) I don't like lucid dreaming due to sleep paralysis
and b) when i do lucid dream, i either don't think to try, or am too scared
So i can't confirm if it's true, but I've heard from a few people that it is.
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I'm too scared of ghosts sorry.
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ahh i used to lucid dream. It was so fun. It usually had near complete creative control over it too. I would always someone figure out it was a dream (usually ground was too bouncy) and then begin to fly. I'd be in a white room them and anything I thought of would be possible though sometimes unexpected things did happen like walking through a liquid wall.
Then one day they stopped and I have trouble having them now.  I had a dream where the dream shattered and I fell for a long time down a dark tunnel. Now whenever I try to lucid dream I just see black and hear thunder or static. If I realize its a dream normally then I just end up waking up.
I did have a crazy multilayer dream though. 3-4 times waking up and still dreaming. Really made me question whether everything was real for a while.
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Alright... some things to clear up.
First of all, a lucid dream isn't just something that comes at you for you to take in. You need to be alert. The second you hang back to enjoy the sights is the second the dream takes over and your lucidity is gone.
You need your wits about you to be successful in a lucid dream. At first, you're going to be lucid for a very short period of time... you're probably going to wake up upon realizing you're lucid dreaming from the adrenaline that rushes through your body that first time. The biggest obstacle to successful lucid dreaming is you... and once you overcome that obstacle you soon realize you don't need to lucid dream anymore... but I'm getting ahead of myself so I'll digress.
Instead of giving you a full walk through I'll tell you what you need to work on first. Your dream recall, it is necessary to becoming proficient at lucid dreaming. Buy a journal and use it religiously.
Secondly, your dreams... they're awesome right? Unfortunately the dreams themselves are only awesome for you. We lack your frame of reference and we can never have YOUR frame of reference. Even if you had a mastery of language you can never sufficiently 'recreate' a dream with words... so cut that shit out. If anything, instead try to focus on your emotions during the dream... metaphor and analogy works well here.
Can you learn in your lucid dreams? Well not in a traditional sense. You can't practice math... I mean you can if you want to but nothing meaningful can be gained from it. You can however learn about your self... and please pardon my description in advance as it may sound vague and rather New Age/Hippy-ish.
You can overcome your fears in a dream. What ever makes you tick you can overcome. Do you get nervous when asking a girl out? You can sort that shit through lucid dreams. It's just impossible to predict what form your fears will manifest as whilst dreaming... but you can beat them.
You'll learn that all your fears come from ignorance... all of them. You learn that in order to control your fears you have to come to terms with your ignorance... I wish I could more thoroughly explain this as it's the most important part.
Lucid dreaming taught me nothing about the universe except where I fit in... and from there you can evaluate your worth to the universe.
In the end, you're only going to learn about yourself through lucid dreaming. The ultimate goal is to get fully acquainted with yourself so you can kill that person and start over.
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On May 07 2012 16:26 Justicejimzor wrote:
p.s. Don't look in a mirror, in your dream, you won't like what you see
Holy balls, that gave me hardcore chills. :O
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On May 08 2012 10:17 Dalguno wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 16:26 Justicejimzor wrote:
p.s. Don't look in a mirror, in your dream, you won't like what you see
Holy balls, that gave me hardcore chills. :O
It can be scary but if you're lucid it is your duty to confront it.
Jump through the mirror and engage it in what ever way your brain deems necessary.
Mirrors actually act as portals to completely new dreamscapes... I actually find it fascinating how many different people encounter this same mechanic. It's like the most obvious common denominator I've run into in my time learning about lucid dreaming.
It is such a mind fuck... imagine stargate. (sorry for incepting you)
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i just had my first lucid dream ever, awesome
ive been keeping a dream diary for around three months. yesterday evening i transferred a month's worth of dreams into my computer dream log, so i guess thats what might have triggered it
i dreamed i was lying in bed in our old house, and then it occured weird to me that im home, since in reality im still in india and i could remember that my flight is only in two days. i tried to rationalize this by thinking i would go back to india and then take a flight back in two days, but that seemed weird and wasteful. thats when i started to ask myself wether i was dreaming or not.
i was pretty convinced i wasnt dreaming since everything looked so real but thankfully i did a reality check, looking at a digital clock next to the bed. not only was i unable to add up the numbers on the clock, but also they kept shifting, it looked almost exactly as in the movie waking life. thats when i realized i was dreaming and the dream got lucid.
first i closed my eyes in the dream and tried to imagine what i wanted to do, but then i just opened my eyes and willed a change in scenery and it totally worked. the first thing i did was have sex obviously  , then i flew through some awesome landscapes and was impressed by how high-res everything looked, i guess when your not limited by your eyes you can see sharper, the dream got less lucid towards the end and i had trouble thinking up things i wanted to do, towards the end i knew that i could wake up whenever i wanted and i was about to wake up anyways
awesome awesome, after reading about lucid dreams and trying techniques for months i finally got one, i just hope it wasnt a singular event
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On May 26 2012 17:37 summerloud wrote:i just had my first lucid dream ever, awesome ive been keeping a dream diary for around three months. yesterday evening i transferred a month's worth of dreams into my computer dream log, so i guess thats what might have triggered it i dreamed i was lying in bed in our old house, and then it occured weird to me that im home, since in reality im still in india and i could remember that my flight is only in two days. i tried to rationalize this by thinking i would go back to india and then take a flight back in two days, but that seemed weird and wasteful. thats when i started to ask myself wether i was dreaming or not. i was pretty convinced i wasnt dreaming since everything looked so real but thankfully i did a reality check, looking at a digital clock next to the bed. not only was i unable to add up the numbers on the clock, but also they kept shifting, it looked almost exactly as in the movie waking life. thats when i realized i was dreaming and the dream got lucid. first i closed my eyes in the dream and tried to imagine what i wanted to do, but then i just opened my eyes and willed a change in scenery and it totally worked. the first thing i did was have sex obviously , then i flew through some awesome landscapes and was impressed by how high-res everything looked, i guess when your not limited by your eyes you can see sharper, the dream got less lucid towards the end and i had trouble thinking up things i wanted to do, towards the end i knew that i could wake up whenever i wanted and i was about to wake up anyways awesome awesome, after reading about lucid dreams and trying techniques for months i finally got one, i just hope it wasnt a singular event
How do you have "sex"? I mean, do you wake up with cum in your pants and everything?
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I used to have these lucid dreams quite often few years back, but they seem to disappeared... maybe my frequent depressions have something to do with that? Really wondering about that...
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I had a sleep paralysis this morning, I induced it voluntarily. For me, SP is not horrifying, I don't have hallucinations and shit. Well, then I did a reality check and I tried to stand up with my dream body several times and walk around. But this is incredibly hard, much harder than a normal lucid dream, but if I can master it, then it will be much more rewarding.
And by the way, mirrors are not scary, you will see there what you expect to see. If you are afraid of mirrors, then you will see horrifying things.
The first time I looked into a mirror in a lucid dream, my mirror image was totally normal, I even looked a bit better than usual.
On May 26 2012 18:54 BabyToss! wrote:
I used to have these lucid dreams quite often few years back, but they seem to disappeared... maybe my frequent depressions have something to do with that? Really wondering about that...
Yes, stress and depression (no motivation) kill lucid dreams.
tl; dr: about Sleep paralysis: if you don't expect horror, horror will not come. All placebo.
Ok, maybe I further explanation: There are two big "schools" of lucid dreaming: DILD (becoming aware in a dream that you are dreaming) and WILD (going directly from awake into a lucid dream). The latter is the one that uses Sleep paralysis as means, and people who try to WILD become desperate to achieve SP, because SP also usually means that one has become successfull with the WILD attempt. Lucid Dreaming forums are full of threads like "How do I induce Sleep Paralysis?".
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On May 26 2012 19:28 blubbdavid wrote:I had a sleep paralysis this morning, I induced it voluntarily. For me, SP is not horrifying, I don't have hallucinations and shit. Well, then I did a reality check and I tried to stand up with my dream body several times and walk around. But this is incredibly hard, much harder than a normal lucid dream, but if I can master it, then it will be much more rewarding. And by the way, mirrors are not scary, you will see there what you expect to see. If you are afraid of mirrors, then you will see horrifying things. The first time I looked into a mirror in a lucid dream, my mirror image was totally normal, I even looked a bit better than usual. Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 18:54 BabyToss! wrote:
I used to have these lucid dreams quite often few years back, but they seem to disappeared... maybe my frequent depressions have something to do with that? Really wondering about that... Yes, stress and depression (no motivation) kill lucid dreams. tl; dr: about Sleep paralysis: if you don't expect horror, horror will not come. All placebo. Ok, maybe I further explanation: There are two big "schools" of lucid dreaming: DILD (becoming aware in a dream that you are dreaming) and WILD (going directly from awake into a lucid dream). The latter is the one that uses Sleep paralysis as means, and people who try to WILD become desperate to achieve SP, because SP also usually means that one has become successfull with the WILD attempt. Lucid Dreaming forums are full of threads like "How do I induce Sleep Paralysis?".
Man, it takes ages to exercise WILD, and the 1st and only time i was getting into sleep paralysis, i breathed a little too consciously and it stopped. It really is freakin hard, and i quit trying since then. But every time i read about LD, i feel i need to try more.
I wish i had some sort of drug able to induce them. I've read about calea zacatechichi, but its legal status isn't clear and i don't wanna order it, it might even not work cause the shop sells a wrong type.
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I used to lucid dream a lot, now I just have sleep paralysis about 3-4 times a week, it kind of sucks . This morning I woke up with sleep paralysis, closed mouth, and filled nose, wasn't pleasant to say the least, no worries though, not breathing for a while was enough to stop the sleep paralysis.
Also, to answer this:
On May 07 2012 17:52 Steveling wrote:
So can people actually prove there's such thing as lucid dreaming or is that another faux blind belief.
I always find it amusing when people go all logic warring against religion but when it comes to stuff like that, ey lets be gullible and willing now!
There is nothing supernatural about lucid dreaming, I'm a materialist and my lucid dreaming by no way rubs that belief, I'm unsure why there even should be considered to be something supernatural about lucid dreaming. Of course some claim they can see the future and so in dreams togheter with their claims of controlling themselves in their dreams and being aware of their dreaming (the two last being what is lucid dreaming), but that the first one is supernatural and most likely untrue doesn't make the last two claims supernatural at all.
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I absolutely LOVE lucid dreaming! When you can do anything you want you'd be surprised how amazing the experience can be even if you know its not real. Having the powers of a Dragon Ball character and being able to take control of airplanes and crash them into battle ships on the water is by far better than any video game. In fact, now that I think of it, most of my lucid dreams revolve around video game type themes. I guess the 23 hours a day spent playing PC and console games is taking its toll on my subconscious. Whatever, my dreams kick a whole lot of ass and so do I while I'm in them.
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I used to lucid dream almost everyday when i was younger and now i rarely do it but when i do lucid dreaming i fucking absolutley love it and cherish it, i hate getting sleep paralyse i used to lay down for 45min once was so fucking scary
Most people nowdays hear of lucid dreaming and think OMFG that dream i had yesterday was tottaly lucid dreaming!
Some of my friends think they do it all the time they got no clue what this is actually about,
What's weird when i lucid dream is that at some point of my dream I allways see a classmate a female or a guy somewhere in my dream doing nothing but walking and not talking, it's like it will allways be there and i cant do anything about it, i somehow think im doing it unconsciously to make sure that i am infact lucid dreaming or not, then my subconcious sure is a smart fella
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