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On May 03 2012 00:18 FryBender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 00:10 StarStruck wrote:On May 02 2012 23:30 FryBender wrote:
This is what I got out of this Blog:
"WAH WAH I hate that SC2 has a mature community that actually gets outraged at the fact that someone used a racial slur. Why can't TL be more like 4Chan. why I'd be King among Men with my platinum skills that I use to beat down on people who aren't as good as me and make fun of them for it."
I have been playing video games longer then a lot of people here have been alive (which makes me no more or less special than anyone else) and I've never joined any gaming community precisely because the vocal majority of all of them has been populated by people like Destiny who's only purpose in playing a game is to call someone else a f*g as loud as they can. Imagine my surprise when I found TL. A community that's about more then just 13 year olds getting off by saying dirty things on the internet. I honestly couldn't care less about Esports, it's just not my thing but if it means that the community is forced to mature a little bit then I don't see how that can be a bad thing. You'll always have 4chan. SC2.. mature community? That's an oxymoron if I ever did see one. There are still a lot of guys who think they are the shit and you know what? You come off as one of them. I never said that SC2 community is mature but that TL is. But if I had to rank gaming communities by maturity then SC2 would be up there near the top. I have no idea what being "the shit" means but if it means that I think I'm more mature then 14 year olds saying things just because they know it's inappropriate to say them then yes I am "THE SHIT."
Same applies to TL regardless of the forum section. I'm sorry but this community is very far from being mature. We're just as vulgar as the other communities and there's a whole lot of crap.
This has nothing to do with age. In fact if you look at most of the BW veterans you would realize a lot of these guys are actually well into their twenties or even thirties like myself.
I wouldn't even look down on people regardless of their age because there are a few smarties in the bunch. -_-
It's a foolish stance man. No other way of putting it.
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This is the best blog post I've read in quite some time. Thanks for putting it out there. It needed to be said, and you said it well.
eSports needs variety and different opinions. It needs people to start thinking for themselves, making their own minds on issues, instead of following band wagons like zombies..
We're not an 'indie' crowd anymore... People conform so much to good manners, marketing values, overzealous moderators, karma smacks. etc, etc. that the community as a whole might as well be a bunch of tame quire boys.
Thanks Gheed. Great work.
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I hate e-sports too. It's even in my sig. 
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Allwyas 5/5 for you good sir. The energy would be better spent running another tournament and as you said having some fucking fun.
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Stop it man...you're making me miss BW in it's TL heyday....
T_T
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Some facts are true. I didn't come to church nor to funeral. I came to watch a stream commentated by a bunch of guys, not because they get 50% of the prize, but because they find it fun.
While I think BarCrafts are a cool concept and the fact that this game got more popular is actually a weird phenomenon. I feel that the only reason this game got so big so far it's because of the company and because of the previous game. Starcraft is monotone, some units kill it entirely. Kill the colossus & the brood lord and then we might have a real shit.
PS: It's not eSports that are bad, but rather the people who think the contribute to it and disapprove your of your opinion and shut you down before you have the chance to even open your mouth with a new idea.
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I am so confused, if you hate Esports then why are you excited about BW players coming over?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333180¤tpage=8#144
On April 30 2012 00:13 Gheed wrote:
I can't want for him to switch over and either destroy everyone or be yet another mediocre korean terran so the stupid elephant argument can finally be put to rest and we can move on.
Or is this one of those things where you don't the community getting more exposure and now people need to be slightly respectful?
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Amen. Well and truly sick of the drama machine that is eSports.
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I can't tell you how much I agree with you.
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On May 03 2012 02:01 Plansix wrote:I am so confused, if you hate Esports then why are you excited about BW players coming over? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333180¤tpage=8#144Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 00:13 Gheed wrote:
I can't want for him to switch over and either destroy everyone or be yet another mediocre korean terran so the stupid elephant argument can finally be put to rest and we can move on. Or is this one of those things where you don't the community getting more exposure and now people need to be slightly respectful?
Uhhh.... I think you misunderstood his quote. He wasn't excited about BW players coming over, he was excited about the whole "elephant in the room" thing about how top BW players would do when switching to SC2 argument going away due to either having been proven or disproved.
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I feel like, because of this esports thing, you can't be bad at this game and play just for fun anymore. Every player bellow Plat must obligarotily despise himself. Masters have the right to be ok with their performance but even for them it is seem as a good thing to have a low self-steem.
Fuck esports, fuck apologies. Fuck Starcraft Reddit and those guys who never talk about the game itself.
Myself, I would love to have a cable TV channel fully dedicated to Starcraft in my country. I would sign it. But if the way to get there is pathed with being a moron and not having fun anymore, fuck it.
EDIT: And btw, insulting people, even in the internet, is not honorable. Fortunately most countries have cyber harassment laws and Blizzard is willing to provide the adresses of offenders.
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On May 03 2012 03:06 nerak wrote:
I feel like, because of this esports thing, you can't be bad at this game and play just for fun anymore. Every player bellow Plat must obligarotily despise himself. Masters have the right to be ok with their performance but even for them it is seem as a good thing to have a low self-steem.
Hahahah, some people are really delusional, you are what you are, you play to have FUN. Not because some kind of bullshit "community pressure", Pathetic.
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It's pathetic how much you let your opinion be influenced by people you apparently hate. The idea that 'eSports' invalidates any attempt to play a game for fun is ludicrous.
Your choice of words alone is so fantastical I really don't think the anger you are stewing in is healthy.
Feel free to live with a sadistic and pessimistic opinion of it, the world moves on without people like you. Nothing improves with such sour diatribes
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On May 02 2012 12:18 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
What a retarded thread lol
It's like whining about professional soccer destroying your ability to kick a ball around with your friends.
Esports evangelicism can be annoying as fuck, I dont disagree, but your post is silly.
This... I honestly don't understand why this has gotten such a positive reaction. Having fun playing the game and having a professional scene aren't mutually exclusive. Go ladder. Go play Iccup. There's nothing stopping you.
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1/5. Support the community, regardless of your choice of buzzword.
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Wow, I feel the same exact way sometimes. Thank you for articulating it so well. I too wish that sometimes SC2 would die and we could just play Starcraft without worrying about all this other bullshit.
And to Jinro, it's nothing like you're example, but I'm not gonna sit here and explain this post to you if you didn't understand what he's trying to say.
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Whats stopping you from ignoring the supposed blight that is esports and just playing the game and discussing it with friends? The amount of nostalgia induced circlejerking on TL now is sickening. Just because esports no longer has let (tragically, I admit) BW fall on its sword it doesn't mean you can throw a hissy fit and give a middle finger to something that many people have poured blood sweat and tears into so talented gamers can pursue their passion for fair pay and the adulation of fans.
Just pointless bitching.
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Last night I had a dream that I was playing against Destiny in the grand finals of the MLG Spring Championships. for some odd reason, he was playing Terran and I was playing Zerg. He beat me with a proxy 3 rax and everyone cheered him for it.
There was more to the dream, but I explained the dream to my friend's mother who spent many years as a nurse in psychiatric hospitals. She said that she thought I was very frustrated with a certain aspect of my life and that my subconscious was telling me that it was time to move on.
I no longer believe that SC2 is the ultimate e-sport. I think that e-sports will continue to grow, but in spite of SC2, not because of it. The evidence is mounting - broken matchups, cheesey play continuing to be the superior strategy even in the GSL, the "community" exploding into childish behaviour at the drop of a hat. Idra's recent middle finger to the fans with his 6 pooling. The mapping community's inability (not their fault) to fix the inherent gameplay imbalances with superb maps.
Worst of all, all these things are combining to suck the fun out of starcraft. the leagues/ladder system can really suck my balls.
Blizzard Entertainment has one more chance in my mind to redeem themselves and prove that they are still a great company - Diablo 3. Otherwise I'll be waiting for the next RTS before I consider e-sports to be really taking flight.
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On May 03 2012 01:08 nicotn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 15:23 Whatson wrote:On May 02 2012 14:23 Jinsho wrote:
Again you're posting some nonsense in order to be popular and edgy, much like your so called bronze adventures you value so highly, which was just you trolling around bronze players with some edgy as fuck "humourous writing".
This reminds me of the FGC desperately trying to weasel their way out of the sexual harassment and racism debacles by claiming that they're not esports. They're so grassroots man, you wouldn't understand. It's always been part of the scene man. You wouldn't understand. That's how we do things here man. You wouldn't understand. It's tough living in the hood man and that's how things are and id you don't like it then you're not part of our community.
I wish you weren't part of the SC2 community. Do go play single player. Come back once you've learned that the world does not revolve around you and your funny and edgy antics. Esports will do fine without you. Lol i wish you weren't part of the SC2 community either, your blatant hate for individuals is detrimental to any kind of argument you have. Come back once you've learned that the world doesn't revolve around you and your opinions...The world in general will do fine without you. See what i did there? I personally miss the days when not everything in the video-gaming world revolved around the pro-gamers. Does anybody remember how fun BW was when it was a game played almost entirely for casual entertainment? It was only later that people decided to make money off of it... Then PLAY it like casual entertainment.... no-one is stopping you from casually playing with your friends, im sorry, but are you just so stupid you don't see that?
LOL do you ladder at all?
No shit i ONLY play team games with my friends now, ladder matches almost always end up in BM fests anyways. Where's the fun in that?
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I'm honestly can't understand why how your blog got such high reviews or why it is so highly looked upon, when all I see in it is someone trying to impose his own arrogant and selfish view upon the world.
Why does ESPORTS imply a group of people that play only for money? Do you honestly thing each and every professional player is driven exclusively by the desire to earn money, are you so narrow minded to even imply this?
I am quite sure some of the most successful and hard working people in the pro scene, both BW and SC2, are driven by a lot more passions, they are driven by the love for the game, they are driven by an insatiable appetite for success and they are driven by a need to better themselves, and all of these represent their own form of fun and have their own set of rewards for different persons.
Ultimately professional gaming is a choice, some people might indeed join it for money, but the vast majority surely are driven by passion and fun, this is no different from other real life job choices, some chose jobs out of passion, some just do it for the money.
Which leads to my biggest problem with your post.
You are intentionally and angrily venting your frustration and your inner rage on everyone in ESPORTS, you are wishing for its downfall and destruction with little to no thought for all the people involved.
All the casters that started commenting the game out of fun; all the players that actually work their hearts out to become the best to have fun and to show the best of their abilities; the coaches, former players, who decided to continue on with their passion by breeding the next generation of players; and all the viewers who watch tournaments, who cheer for their heroes triumphs, who weep bitterly at their shortcomings and who support the scene. You are shitting on the dreams of every passionate player who wants to make a living out of this, and every fan who wants to see these players succeed.
You are shitting on each and every one of these people and their choices, because of your narrow minded and arrogant view of how the world should be.
This world is full of choices, you can either chose to play the game purely for fun, casually and just for personal entertainment, or you can chose to use that passion to become a professional player, make a carrier out of it and to earn money while also doing what you find fun.
You can chose to do anything you want with your life, so long as it does not negatively impact others. So go ahead have your fun, play ladder, or ICCup or racers, or shooters, or whatever you want in your free, time, enjoy yourself, but don't you dare to look down upon the people who decided to take this fun and their skills to the next level.
And before I end my post I shall insert a small quote from Voltaire.
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
So while I respect your right to say your opinion, once you have posted it, you are open to criticism, so here is my opinion on your blog and your post.
Your opinion is the most passionately negative I have read in a long time, it is the most single minded, intolerant, hateful, arrogant and stupid of opinions that my eyes have had the horror of casting their vision upon, and I am even being kind with the wording.
Solid -5/5, because 0 is too kind for such an intolerant view on the scene. If you want something to passionately demonize, and bash, take it out on the big corporations, those that trow so much money into something that they actually do remove any and all sense of fun in doing such thing. And take it out on this pathetic consumerist society that seeks to make everyone a drone and to shun non conformists. eSports is far from being there.
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