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I dropped under 1000 ELO today.
My last 3 games, all as AD Ez:
Game 1: CS is not enough
I get beat in lane early 1-3. Tell my support and jungler I'm just farming for the next 10 minutes, and do so. 150 cs later, I proceed to go up to 8-5 as we start teamfighting. Then Lux and skarner start fighting, and we lose 2 teamfights. I go back to farming. I'm at 250 cs 25 minutes in. My team tells me to come fight with team. I do, they engage horribly and don't focus, and I go back to farming. As my team yells at me to fight with them, I keep farming, with the occasional Backdoor (netting 4 towers downed over the course of the game, 2 solos). Without their AD carry, they don't engage, and thus don't die. I get to 400 CS in 35 minutes. I'm 8-6-5, with a Trinity, IE, Zerkers, BT, PD, BT. I come back to the teamfight, push, get a triple kill, we take all 3 inhibs. My team doesn't go b. Everyone is at 20% hp, but they try to focus the nexus towers. I reluctantly stay with the team, not wanting to get bitched at again. The enemy team pops up.
All of us die.
The enemy team defends, then pushes us. We engage, and Skarner ults the wrong person. As our Morde runs away, I get jumped and die. 11-8.
As they keep pushing, similar things happen. Lux misses her snare. I die 3 more times while fighting in our base, only netting one kill. My thirster stacks are gone  , though I have changed my boots into another PD. The enemy team hasn't heard of armor.
End up dying a fourth time right as they kill our nexus, to end 12-12-11 with 416 cs. Fun stat: I dealt half a million damage that game. I get reported for refusing to work with the team.
Game 2: Tilting
I'm on tilt after the last game, and open 1-4, while my support goes 0-3. Great. Farming didn't seem to work last game (in my tilting mind at least), so I just roam and engage all fucking game. Seems to work. End up 5-5 before they push, endgame 5-8. Not much to say here. I was tilting, and made mistakes. Roam Ez is pretty strong once he gets level 9 though.
Game 3: 12-4 to 12-11
My team: Riven, Lux, Ezreal(me), Soraka, Jungle Sion
Their team: AP Warwick, Ryze, Twitch, Lulu, Shyvana
I started the game with a FB double kill. Then went 4-0 in 4 minutes. Then 6-1, 6-2, 10-3, 12-4. At this point I have a 50 cs lead on everyone else, enemy Twitch has been shat on and is 1-6, and only our Sion isn't positive. With the mana from Soraka, I'm Q-spamming everyone, keeping them all below 1/2 health. Warwick is the only one who does damage on their team, because Riven dropped to mid to gank Ryze a few times, putting him behind as well. If WW dies, we win the teamfight. Shyvana is building straight health, Ryze is stacking armor instead of mana, Twitch does nothing, and Lulu... is Lulu.
Me: "Focus WW, he's the only damage."
Sion: "WW too tanky. Twitch>Ryze"
Me: "Ordinarily, yes. But twitch is 1-6 with 60 cs. He does no damage. Focus WW plz"
Sion: "WW tanky nub ez"
We group up and pressure mid turret. I Q-spam and poke WW down to 25% health.
Me: "Focus WW please"
Sion: "stfu ez nub so annoying"
Lux: "Ez focus twitch"
Sion then dives, stuns Twitch, and kills him with Riven's help. By this point, WW has used Lifesteal and Lulu's giant spell to get back to 70%, and flash-jumps on me. With no CC remaining on our team, I die. The rest of my team proceeds to scatter and Riven and Soraka are picked off.
Sion: "nub ez I told u ww too tanky"
Me: "I had him down to 25%. Please just focus him then we can kill twitch ok?"
Sion: "SO NOOB. idiot go back to nrmals"
Over the course of the next 15 minutes, my team engages twice while I'm away (getting items or dragon), runs in 1 by 1 to lose another fight, loses 3 turrets, and doesn't kill WW once, who gets his bloodrazer. I get sent to 12-6, and get fed up with this.
Me: "Fuck it. Sion, you can focus whoever you want. I'm focusing WW so you'll stop dying."
Sion (allchat): "REPORT EZ GIVING GAME AWAY"
Lux: "Ez don't be an ass, work with the team"
Next fight, I focus WW, exhaust him before he jumps me, and have Sion take the kill. We win the fight. Next fight exhaust is down, my team again doesn't CC WW, everyone dies, and the game disintegrates from there. I end up 12-11 as I'm constantly dove and my team refuses to peel, cc, or anything. Post-game, the enemy team actually apologizes to me.
The people I'm playing with now are worse than terrible. They're so bad I can play Garen solotop, get Sword of the Occult as my first item, MobiBoots as my second, go 7-2-7 and win in 25 minutes (535 movespeed with Q LOL). They ban people like Master Yi and Lux. I can and have won lanes 1v2 as Ez. But when it comes to teamfights, I just can't carry hard enough.
I've been told this is because Ez isn't a good AD carry. And he's certainly not the strongest. But when you are 250 CS and 5 kills above the next highest champion in the game, it really shouldn't matter that Ez is only 2nd tier AD. And I do play other champs: Ez, Cow, Yi (AD, AP, Jungle, Tank, or Support - I know them all), Ashe, Garen, Lee, Soraka, Trist, Vayne (though I'm really out of practice with Vayne).
So what do I do? Do I learn Katarina and just snowball every game up to 1300, where people learn how to CC? Or maybe pull a Spamhappy and go Poppy every game any Role? Part of my problem is certainly that I understand bot lane FAR better than any other lane. I play toplane passably, and jungle decently with Yi, Lee, or Garen+ Show Spoiler +Jungle Garen is hilarious. Really strong if your team is CC heavy, like a Maokai Top Leona bot. He's got a slow clear and a slow start, but he ganks like a truck and wins 1v1 vs most Junglers.
Since the beginning of February I've dropped from 1415 to 994 ELO. Thats a 421 point drop. As I told LiquidParty, the first 200 points were probably my fault, as I tried out new characters in ranked and then tilted. Then I played a lot of support (mostly cow or soraka), and dropped another 100 points as I sat and watched my AD carries refuse to farm. Now I'm carrying, and I just can't carry hard enough. I was depressed before. Now I've gone numb.
I thought I was in ELO Hell. The only thing keeping me going is the hope that I am merely in Purgatory.
  
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Just gonna say. Best chance at carrying low ELO (if you actually are on average MUCH better than the people there) is to play AP carry. If you can destroy mid and get enough burst that you just rofl all over their AD carry, you should be able to lead your team to victory, even if it means being focused down and killed every fight just so that you can burst their entire team to 1/3 hp before dying.
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look up "terreo" or "bellaflica" on north america server and tell me there is an elo hell
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On April 16 2012 17:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
look up "terreo" or "bellaflica" on north america server and tell me there is an elo hell
I'm not really sure what that means? Two people who are good?
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hey man. just a tip in regards to game 3. it dosent matter if your playing with noobs or w/e but whats worse than focusing the wrong hero is when not everyone focuses the same hero. in this case when the rest if your team is so keen on focusing one hero no matter how bad of an idea it is, its always best to follow them to maximise your chances.
i come from a dota background so if this dosnt make much sense then dont worry about it  .
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they both queue dodged down to <1k and 1.4k~ (from 2k~) for fun and now they're just winning essentially 100% of games
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On April 16 2012 17:35 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
they both queue dodged down to <1k and 1.4k~ (from 2k~) for fun and now they're just winning essentially 100% of games
That's great for them?
I know I'm not perfect, or nearly as good as 2k players. I felt comfortable at ~1400, winning slightly more than I was losing. And I was worse then than I am now, but I still wouldn't say I'm above 1500 - and in non-botlane I'm probably only 1300. ELO Hell isn't a place where no one can win. That doesn't exist. ELO Hell is personal, its where you aren't able to carry your way out.
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On April 16 2012 17:34 Rhaegar99 wrote:hey man. just a tip in regards to game 3. it dosent matter if your playing with noobs or w/e but whats worse than focusing the wrong hero is when not everyone focuses the same hero. in this case when the rest if your team is so keen on focusing one hero no matter how bad of an idea it is, its always best to follow them to maximise your chances. i come from a dota background so if this dosnt make much sense then dont worry about it .
Not entirely true, as he's playing a glass cannon role he often can't focus the twitch, since they would require diving past the enemy bruisers.
IS OK I FELL BELOW 1K ONCE I FELT BAD STARTED PLAYING AGAIN NPNP. My opinion low elo you need to play hypersnowball carry assassins because nobody knows how to deal. Fk farming takes too long and your team's mostly dead by the time you kick in.
IMO elo hell is just below platinum/low plat where everyone thinks they're 2.2k material because they can't recognize their own mistakes/what they could do better. Also where people start calling support and they make me solo
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ofc you cant carry when you're trying to afk farm all game on an ad carry that has one of the weakest late game
vayne - 500 cs 0-0-0
ezreal - 750 cs 5-0-0
ur 250 cs + 5 kills above vayne, u think you can win that?
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On April 16 2012 17:49 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
ofc you cant carry when you're trying to afk farm all game on an ad carry that has one of the weakest late game
vayne - 500 cs 0-0-0
ezreal - 750 cs 5-0-0
ur 250 cs + 5 kills above vayne, u think you can win that?
No, but I can win this:
Ezreal - 250 cs 5-1-5
Vayne - 150 cs 1-3-3
And endgame, I can win this
Ezreal - 400 cs 8-3-10
Vayne - 200 cs 3-7-5
More reasonable for where I'm at.
Still, as I said, I know I need to learn more/better champs
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There's no way it's the fact you're playing ezreal. You're not playing the teamfights right somehow, I don't know how exactly from your description.
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When you post things like this:
"The people I'm playing with now are worse than terrible. They're so bad I can play Garen solotop, get Sword of the Occult as my first item, MobiBoots as my second, go 7-2-7 and win in 25 minutes (535 movespeed with Q LOL). They ban people like Master Yi and Lux. I can and have won lanes 1v2 as Ez. But when it comes to teamfights, I just can't carry hard enough."
The absolute 1st thing that comes to my mind is, if you can pick X hero and go 10-0 in lane and win the game in 20 minutes, why aren't you doing that? Instead you're trying to play an ad carry that requires extremely delicate positioning + ur team to actually do something during a teamfight/focus the right people + ur team to actually not go 0-20 by the time u actually get farmed. Of course you're going to lose a lot of games. Just because you're "really 1300" and you're playing vs 900 elo players, doesn't mean that you can just pick some shitty champion and go 20-0 every game. If you can play some champion that just goes 20-0 and wins the game before teamfights even occur and instead you feel the need to play a role thats extremely reliant both on your own positioning + skill (IE: Someone that you can't carry hard enough on) as well as your team (AD carries in general), then the only person that is at fault for you being -400 elo is yourself.
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On April 16 2012 17:47 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 17:34 Rhaegar99 wrote:hey man. just a tip in regards to game 3. it dosent matter if your playing with noobs or w/e but whats worse than focusing the wrong hero is when not everyone focuses the same hero. in this case when the rest if your team is so keen on focusing one hero no matter how bad of an idea it is, its always best to follow them to maximise your chances. i come from a dota background so if this dosnt make much sense then dont worry about it . Not entirely true, as he's playing a glass cannon role he often can't focus the twitch, since they would require diving past the enemy bruisers. IS OK I FELL BELOW 1K ONCE I FELT BAD STARTED PLAYING AGAIN NPNP. My opinion low elo you need to play hypersnowball carry assassins because nobody knows how to deal. Fk farming takes too long and your team's mostly dead by the time you kick in. IMO elo hell is just below platinum/low plat where everyone thinks they're 2.2k material because they can't recognize their own mistakes/what they could do better. Also where people start calling support and they make me solo
Yeah, just smashing your lane isn't necessarily good enough to carry games. You can have a champ zoned beyond belief and be 100 CS over them, but that isn't going to win you games. However you smash your lane, kill the tower, then go kill another lane suddenly a lane that was even is in your teams favor and you can start your team snowballing pretty hard.
Even at relatively low ELO's if you are smashing your lane chances are their jungler is going to start camping your lane. Suddenly your farm is gone and they get back into the game. However, if you just leave your lane and start putting pressure elsewhere what exactly is the other team gonna do? Either your lane follows you and you just win objectives because you are waaaay ahead of your lane, or they stay put and farm themselves back into the game just liek they would if the Jungler camped you.... thing is your team is allowed to get whatever map objective they please because it is 5v4 with you being really really fed. Your lane opponent gonna get back in the game, but your team gonna start to snowball because you gonna have a dragon advantages, a tower advantage, and a map control advantage.
At low ELO people suck at evaluating trades and have poor positioning... this leads to people dying/feeding. Unfortunately, no matter how well you last hit you aren't going to be able to outfarm an enemy farming champions by farming only creeps.
If you are as good as you think you are, you need to be a global presence that not only gets farmed, but snowballs your team. Even if you a super farmed Vayne/Kog/Corki you can't 1v5.
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On April 16 2012 17:57 UniversalSnip wrote:
There's no way it's the fact you're playing ezreal. You're not playing the teamfights right somehow, I don't know how exactly from your description.
How I play teamfights:
Q spam constantly, chunking people. Watch my AP Mid see me, think they can do the same, overextend and get picked off. See rest of team run in 1 by 1 to "save them". See team get picked off. 1 by 1. Try to escape, usually get caught.
Successful teamfights are rare, but usually involve:
Q spam constantly pre-fight, keeping enemy team low and burning heal CDs. Once teamfight starts, W my team then Q and auto the focus. If the focus escapes behind bruisers, focus bruisers. Stay behind our bruisers at all times. If someone gets close to me, E away and Exhaust if they're chasing me. W the enemy team as needed. Save R for runners or when our team focus is bad and the enemy is all 50% or less.
On April 16 2012 17:59 DURRHURRDERP wrote:+ Show Spoiler +When you post things like this:
"The people I'm playing with now are worse than terrible. They're so bad I can play Garen solotop, get Sword of the Occult as my first item, MobiBoots as my second, go 7-2-7 and win in 25 minutes (535 movespeed with Q LOL). They ban people like Master Yi and Lux. I can and have won lanes 1v2 as Ez. But when it comes to teamfights, I just can't carry hard enough."
The absolute 1st thing that comes to my mind is, if you can pick X hero and go 10-0 in lane and win the game in 20 minutes, why aren't you doing that? + Show Spoiler +Instead you're trying to play an ad carry that requires extremely delicate positioning + ur team to actually do something during a teamfight/focus the right people + ur team to actually not go 0-20 by the time u actually get farmed. Of course you're going to lose a lot of games. Just because you're "really 1300" and you're playing vs 900 elo players, doesn't mean that you can just pick some shitty champion and go 20-0 every game. If you can play some champion that just goes 20-0 and wins the game before teamfights even occur and instead you feel the need to play a role thats extremely reliant both on your own positioning + skill (IE: Someone that you can't carry hard enough on) as well as your team (AD carries in general), then the only person that is at fault for you being -400 elo is yourself.
Because Garen is a really cheesy, unreliable pick. If they happen to have a decent top player, I'm probably fucked. I've got a 50% win rate with Garen. Half the games I wreck top and snowball, and half of them I get shut down because he's so easy to counter if the enemy top is even halfway decent.
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On April 16 2012 18:03 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 17:47 seRapH wrote:On April 16 2012 17:34 Rhaegar99 wrote:hey man. just a tip in regards to game 3. it dosent matter if your playing with noobs or w/e but whats worse than focusing the wrong hero is when not everyone focuses the same hero. in this case when the rest if your team is so keen on focusing one hero no matter how bad of an idea it is, its always best to follow them to maximise your chances. i come from a dota background so if this dosnt make much sense then dont worry about it . Not entirely true, as he's playing a glass cannon role he often can't focus the twitch, since they would require diving past the enemy bruisers. IS OK I FELL BELOW 1K ONCE I FELT BAD STARTED PLAYING AGAIN NPNP. My opinion low elo you need to play hypersnowball carry assassins because nobody knows how to deal. Fk farming takes too long and your team's mostly dead by the time you kick in. IMO elo hell is just below platinum/low plat where everyone thinks they're 2.2k material because they can't recognize their own mistakes/what they could do better. Also where people start calling support and they make me solo Yeah, just smashing your lane isn't necessarily good enough to carry games. You can have a champ zoned beyond belief and be 100 CS over them, but that isn't going to win you games. However you smash your lane, kill the tower, then go kill another lane suddenly a lane that was even is in your teams favor and you can start your team snowballing pretty hard. + Show Spoiler +
Even at relatively low ELO's if you are smashing your lane chances are their jungler is going to start camping your lane. Suddenly your farm is gone and they get back into the game. However, if you just leave your lane and start putting pressure elsewhere what exactly is the other team gonna do? Either your lane follows you and you just win objectives because you are waaaay ahead of your lane, or they stay put and farm themselves back into the game just liek they would if the Jungler camped you.... thing is your team is allowed to get whatever map objective they please because it is 5v4 with you being really really fed. Your lane opponent gonna get back in the game, but your team gonna start to snowball because you gonna have a dragon advantages, a tower advantage, and a map control advantage.
At low ELO people suck at evaluating trades and have poor positioning... this leads to people dying/feeding. Unfortunately, no matter how well you last hit you aren't going to be able to outfarm an enemy farming champions by farming only creeps.
If you are as good as you think you are, you need to be a global presence that not only gets farmed, but snowballs your team. Even if you a super farmed Vayne/Kog/Corki you can't 1v5.
With Ez, once I hit level 9 I start roaming mid and keeping a strong watch on drag since i can solo it. I'll try to destroy mid harder I guess? And maybe ward enemy blue if I'm on blue team.
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I don't really know what to say about a game where the ad carry can just wander off and solo dragon.
Can't really say I see the point of roaming mid until you take their tower. And you're not trying to gank them at that point, you're just pushing bot, then coming mid and pushing it really hard.
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On April 16 2012 18:07 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 17:57 UniversalSnip wrote:
There's no way it's the fact you're playing ezreal. You're not playing the teamfights right somehow, I don't know how exactly from your description. How I play teamfights: Q spam constantly, chunking people. Watch my AP Mid see me, think they can do the same, overextend and get picked off. See rest of team run in 1 by 1 to "save them". See team get picked off. 1 by 1. Try to escape, usually get caught.
There is your problem.
You an AD carry, you shouldn't be the first one in a fight ever. As silly as it sounds you should just be almost entirely out of an area even close to an enemy champion unless you have three or four allies inbetween you and them.
Wait for your team to intiate (or get initiated on, I suppose...) and then just kill everything one by one as they focus your team. Will your whole team die? Maybe... but if you are as farmed as you say you are then their whole team will die faster.
On April 16 2012 18:09 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:03 iCanada wrote:On April 16 2012 17:47 seRapH wrote:On April 16 2012 17:34 Rhaegar99 wrote:hey man. just a tip in regards to game 3. it dosent matter if your playing with noobs or w/e but whats worse than focusing the wrong hero is when not everyone focuses the same hero. in this case when the rest if your team is so keen on focusing one hero no matter how bad of an idea it is, its always best to follow them to maximise your chances. i come from a dota background so if this dosnt make much sense then dont worry about it . Not entirely true, as he's playing a glass cannon role he often can't focus the twitch, since they would require diving past the enemy bruisers. IS OK I FELL BELOW 1K ONCE I FELT BAD STARTED PLAYING AGAIN NPNP. My opinion low elo you need to play hypersnowball carry assassins because nobody knows how to deal. Fk farming takes too long and your team's mostly dead by the time you kick in. IMO elo hell is just below platinum/low plat where everyone thinks they're 2.2k material because they can't recognize their own mistakes/what they could do better. Also where people start calling support and they make me solo Yeah, just smashing your lane isn't necessarily good enough to carry games. You can have a champ zoned beyond belief and be 100 CS over them, but that isn't going to win you games. However you smash your lane, kill the tower, then go kill another lane suddenly a lane that was even is in your teams favor and you can start your team snowballing pretty hard. + Show Spoiler +
Even at relatively low ELO's if you are smashing your lane chances are their jungler is going to start camping your lane. Suddenly your farm is gone and they get back into the game. However, if you just leave your lane and start putting pressure elsewhere what exactly is the other team gonna do? Either your lane follows you and you just win objectives because you are waaaay ahead of your lane, or they stay put and farm themselves back into the game just liek they would if the Jungler camped you.... thing is your team is allowed to get whatever map objective they please because it is 5v4 with you being really really fed. Your lane opponent gonna get back in the game, but your team gonna start to snowball because you gonna have a dragon advantages, a tower advantage, and a map control advantage.
At low ELO people suck at evaluating trades and have poor positioning... this leads to people dying/feeding. Unfortunately, no matter how well you last hit you aren't going to be able to outfarm an enemy farming champions by farming only creeps.
If you are as good as you think you are, you need to be a global presence that not only gets farmed, but snowballs your team. Even if you a super farmed Vayne/Kog/Corki you can't 1v5.
With Ez, once I hit level 9 I start roaming mid and keeping a strong watch on drag since i can solo it. I'll try to destroy mid harder I guess? And maybe ward enemy blue if I'm on blue team.
I don't really think you should wander around ganking as an AD carry. More crush your bot lane (hopefully getting a couple kills...), take your tower and start taking other map objectives, whether its Dragon/towers/baron/inhibiters... dont matter. Just create map pressure.
Ganking on an AD carry isn't the greatest idea because AD's are naturally kind of bad at ganking unless they are absolutely terrible... you are just going to waste your time/lose farm. Since you can't force them to just fight you for whatever reason (unless they terrible...) you force them to fight you for a reason, be it a tower, dragon, baron etc.
Its the same principle that Shyvana's/Udyr's use to make themselves known. Unless Shy has exhaust she can't gank a lane.. so make them come to you by counterganking the enemy Jungler or making their laners respond to you taking their junglers stuff.
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ELO hell doesn't exist.
You will protest, argue that it does, provide meaningless and biased information.
It does not exist and any claim that it does is a poor attempt at shifting the blame. You get the elo you deserve, good players have shown this countless times.
A player who competes at 2000+ can drop to a 1000 and climb back up. The fact that you can't climb up isn't evidence of a flawed system, in fact, it is evidence that the system works.
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On April 16 2012 18:14 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't really know what to say about a game where the ad carry can just wander off and solo dragon.
Can't really say I see the point of roaming mid until you take their tower. And you're not trying to gank them at that point, you're just pushing bot, then coming mid and pushing it really hard.
I -always- down bot tower by the time I'm level 9.
And yeah, because of the way they ward dragon, if I'm on blue side I can just E over the wall and take it without them being any the wiser. No map awareness at all.
"Hey, where's the AD carry?"
"I dunno. Is he at Drag?"
"No, I can see on my minimap that no one's there."
5 minutes later:
"Hey, when did they take dragon?"
I've been caught once, and I just E'd back over the wall, then R sniped it for the lolz.
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It's probably not because of ELO hell but because you suck ass at positioning yourself in team fights. If you're at 1k ELO there is so much you're doing wrong it's not even funny. Let me know when you end the game 19-5 and still lose, then you're in ELO hell. Your true ELO is probably closer to 1200. Anyone can go up or down 200 easily.
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you just said that people at 900 elo are so bad that you can run garen and beat them in 20 minutes and now you're complaining that if anyone is "half decent" you get fucked......
??????
not to mention the fact that you feel like you're deserving of higher elo simply because you used to be 1400 - news flash, it doesn't matter if you "used to be" 1400 elo, if you dropped to 900 that means that you're playing like a 900 elo player right now
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I don't really believe in ELO hell. Hence the quotation marks in the title of this blog. But there are definitely times when the players are so bad that you cannot carry your way out, despite playing much better than the other players in the game. I'm in one of those levels right now.
Stop telling me ELO hell doesn't exist. We're not defining it the same way.
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On April 16 2012 18:07 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 17:57 UniversalSnip wrote:
There's no way it's the fact you're playing ezreal. You're not playing the teamfights right somehow, I don't know how exactly from your description. How I play teamfights: Q spam constantly, chunking people. Watch my AP Mid see me, think they can do the same, overextend and get picked off. See rest of team run in 1 by 1 to "save them". See team get picked off. 1 by 1. Try to escape, usually get caught. Successful teamfights are rare, but usually involve: Q spam constantly pre-fight, keeping enemy team low and burning heal CDs. Once teamfight starts, W my team then Q and auto the focus. If the focus escapes behind bruisers, focus bruisers. Stay behind our bruisers at all times. If someone gets close to me, E away and Exhaust if they're chasing me. W the enemy team as needed. Save R for runners or when our team focus is bad and the enemy is all 50% or less.
Use your ult to just try to hit as many people as possible ideally just as the teamfight starts. It'll stack your passive up which'll increase your damage and generally it just does a lot more to get damage early rather than later for obvious reasons, especially if you hit a bunch of people. Don't W your team unless they're like all AD heroes, use it to reduce damage coming from the guy who jumps on you. Wouldn't worry too much about who you're hitting, just maximize right clicking and Qs without dying. Ideally you want to spend as little time repositioning as possible while never dying. Make sure you're deciding whether to go for a ie or triforce build based on the needs of the game. The two decision factors to me are - how much kiting am I going to need to do? and how tanky are their heroes? Kiting favors trinity, vs tanky guys favors i edge.
Consider taking cleanse, heal or ignite, cleanse will help you soooo much in teamfights, ignite will help snowball the game really hard, heal is good vs bursty initiation you can't really do much about like flash kennen and is just good generally. Exhaust on an ad carry helps you less and less as the game goes on.
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pick AP mid, crush your lane and repeatedly gank the other lanes then make some sort of commit in all chat about the enemy teams worst feeder along the lines of "x champion is obviously your best player right now" and get the enemy team to start attack that member of their team
solo queue is about making the enemy team rage at each other before your own team rages at it self
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On April 16 2012 18:29 Frolossus wrote:
pick AP mid, crush your lane and repeatedly gank the other lanes then make some sort of commit in all chat about the enemy teams worst feeder along the lines of "x champion is obviously your best player right now" and get the enemy team to start attack that member of their team
solo queue is about making the enemy team rage at each other before your own team rages at it self
This
Especially ganking the sidelanes whenever they so much as start hinting at going past the halfway.
The kills and gold are one thing, the insane rage that will errupt in the enemy team is another.
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On April 16 2012 18:29 Frolossus wrote:
pick AP mid, crush your lane and repeatedly gank the other lanes then make some sort of commit in all chat about the enemy teams worst feeder along the lines of "x champion is obviously your best player right now" and get the enemy team to start attack that member of their team
solo queue is about making the enemy team rage at each other before your own team rages at it self
Yup, or being good at keeping your team from raging.
My win percentage as support (IE, the only role where I can afford to spend time writing essays to calm people down) is almost 70%, which is rather silly.
You don't need to carry to win, mearly it the quickest/most reliable way to win.
Theoretically if you smash your lane 100% of the time over thousands of games you should move up the ladder. Thing is, your team/their team random whether or not they win/tie/lose is random too.
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If I learned anything from playing the shit out of Vayne, bot lane Ranged AD can lose 100% of the time and still carry with good positioning during teamfights and picking up kills from there.
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Alright dude, time for some harsh realities.
I creeped you on lolking.net and it seems you may very well be what I like to call 'fake 1400;' that is, your highest rating was 1400 but you may have attained it while you were still earning +45 points at a time. Once you started to play more games your actual skill level evened things out and you are where you are now. (That's not to say you deserve to be below 1000 necessarily, but chances are you are closer to within 100-200 of your 'true' elo by now, as you've played over 100 games. From your OP it also may be because of you playing those 'first-time' champions like you said, but now that you've switched back to those you are good at, you should be winning again, no?)
As for your various complaints about 'elo hell' and your definition of it being your own personal hell that you are not good enough to carry out of....guess what that means? + Show Spoiler +It means that you are at the skill level you belong at if you aren't vastly better than your teammates/opponents to such a degree that you alone can constantly change the outcome of a game.
Now many people here and in the LoL subforum will offer tips and tricks on how to carry yourself out, who to play, how to play them, and what to do, but in the end you only need to do one thing.
GET BETTER.
You can choose to do this in any number of ways, but a good start would be to pick a champion that you know yourself to be good it and do your best to improve further with that champion to the level that you ARE better than your team/enemies. Another way would be to leave your mis- and preconceptions behind about your current skill level and get some tutoring from a higher level player who knows what they are talking about. There are ALWAYS things you can do to improve your play, and I am sure that there are many that you don't know about or don't know how to do well enough.
I am no pro, and I am probably what you'd call 'fake 1400' myself since I've only played 15 ranked games currently, but chances are there is advice even I could give you considering how long I have been playing the game. (And to an effect, the recent completion of my +100 W/L challenge. I've been matched up against 1600-1900s in my normals recently so I imagine I've improved.)
Either way, the first step towards improvement is to acknowledge that you are worse than you think you are, and that you have much to learn. Only then can you move on.
Best of luck to you!
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From what I have found after bring up my elo to about 1750 is that different elos have different meta games.
Below 1500 work on your lane phase like csing and punishing. Knowing when to take cs and not take cs to prevent getting harassed and losing too much hp.
Above 1500 think about counter picking and if you are within the first 3 picks try to not pick a solo lane first so that you don't get counter picked.
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Ah, I went from 2000ELO to 1300 ... I know how you feel... O_O. But it made me focus on sc2 more, so now im facing top 8 masters with my off-race.  . But a quick tip for gettin back up there, if you ever go on a loss streak of 2 or above. quit. Stop. Play something else and resume LoL tomorrow, and if you REALLY want some LoL play unranked or Dominion. ^^. That will save you a lot of lost points due to tilt. Tust me.
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Its definitely true that at low elo it can be very hard to carry. I have an easier time boosting at 1100/1200 than at 900/1000 because the variance in skill is so high at 900 (a lane can be won incredibly hard, rendering the opponent/ally utterly useless; while at the other levels this is less true).
However, it still sounds, as others said, that you are just not good enough. And there should be no way to lose the lane at all if you are a true 1400. Bot may be a bit volatile due to playing with a random. But there is no way that you should be losing a lane as you describe. You are just not good enough.
Do NOT go for late game. Try to get an advantage. Especially on LOW elo, everyone will start flaming in the losing team (and sometimes even in the winning team). Get an advantage, win the lane, and then help other lanes to win. Leading your team (in a kind way) is also crucial, as it prevents tons of mistakes.
Stop blaming others and just play better. If youre not carrying and you think you should be able to because you are above their skill, then play something that can carry you back to a regular level. Often it is just one hero that lets you climb rapidly, a hero that dominates the lane and makes a huge impact in the game. Ez may not be that hero.
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On April 16 2012 19:13 Beyonder wrote:
Its definitely true that at low elo it can be very hard to carry. I have an easier time boosting at 1100/1200 than at 900/1000 because the variance in skill is so high at 900 (a lane can be won incredibly hard, rendering the opponent/ally utterly useless; while at the other levels this is less true).
However, it still sounds, as others said, that you are just not good enough. And there should be no way to lose the lane at all if you are a true 1400. Bot may be a bit volatile due to playing with a random. But there is no way that you should be losing a lane as you describe. You are just not good enough.
Do NOT go for late game. Try to get an advantage. Especially on LOW elo, everyone will start flaming in the losing team (and sometimes even in the winning team). Get an advantage, win the lane, and then help other lanes to win. Leading your team (in a kind way) is also crucial, as it prevents tons of mistakes.
Stop blaming others and just play better. If youre not carrying and you think you should be able to because you are above their skill, then play something that can carry you back to a regular level. Often it is just one hero that lets you climb rapidly, a hero that dominates the lane and makes a huge impact in the game. Ez may not be that hero.
I do not lose the lane. Ever. Even when I start out 1-3 or 1-4, by 10-15:00 I've at least caught up. I start off bad when I'm trying to get the early game advantage and either I or the support overcommit.
On April 16 2012 18:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
It's probably not because of ELO hell but because you suck ass at positioning yourself in team fights. If you're at 1k ELO there is so much you're doing wrong it's not even funny. Let me know when you end the game 19-5 and still lose, then you're in ELO hell. Your true ELO is probably closer to 1200. Anyone can go up or down 200 easily.
17-3, we did win but we really shouldn't have. They downed both nexus turrets and 2 inhibs, and then backed off 3vSoraka. This was kind of cathartic I guess, let me focus on just winning the next goddamn game.
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Welp, I suggest you play Akali for the next 100 or so games. See where that gets you. At lower ratings invisibility often means immortality. Not to mention the ridiculous damage she can output.
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If you're going 1-3 in lane at 1k ELO you deserve to be there.
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ELO hell is a great example of this. There is no such thing as ELO Hell because in games one team will always lose, people say "the team is too bad so I can't win the game by myself" but even in 2k ELO there are people who are just stupid. I remember watching HotShot's stream and there was this Shaco who was just truly awful. Never did anything except deceive in at the end of the fight to try and snag a kill... if this Shaco was present in some lower ELO games then people would say "ELO HELL OMG EVERYBODY NOOB" when in reality at every ELO the team that loses gets outplayed by the opponents, most of the time anyway ;p, and therefore you could make an argument that ELO Hell is present at every ELO because you are getting outplayed at every level... the reason why Mobas are so popular is because it is so easy to say that some guy fucked up over you, while you are saying that these guys are awful those very people are saying the same thing "We had this EZ who just went and farmed..."
The only thing worse than not killing the most important target is for everyone to be attacking random targets. If you want to kill someone, and they want to kill someone else, I always just go for their target as I don't like to persuade asshats to not be such.
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People like your are what define elo hell.
"All my teammates are scrubs, HOW can I possibly carry this? Oh I do everything perfect btw."
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Reading your post is like... the funniest thing. It just shows on so many levels why LoL is such a terribly boring game to play. People being idiots and flaming, teams dying, pushes failing, your own skill pretty much meaningless.
User was temp banned for this post.
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I don't ply lol, but this post is interesting to me. From what I can see though, the ELO hell is like getting stuck in team games with shitty partners. You can be better than everyone on your team, but in able to win the game, you need to be a LOT better. So your rank keeps falling. I could see how this could be a problem.
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On April 16 2012 20:47 Tobberoth wrote:
Reading your post is like... the funniest thing. It just shows on so many levels why LoL is such a terribly boring game to play. People being idiots and flaming, teams dying, pushes failing, your own skill pretty much meaningless.
Dude, don't go into someones blog just to shit on it. You just look like a d-bag. Just because you can lose because of your teammates doesnt make your own skill meaningless, hence the team aspect. You know, like most sports, where a team as 1 all star player, but the rest of the team sucks, so they lose a lot. Does that mean it is a shitty sport, no, it means it's a team game.
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On April 16 2012 20:54 how wrote:
I don't ply lol, but this post is interesting to me. From what I can see though, the ELO hell is like getting stuck in team games with shitty partners. You can be better than everyone on your team, but in able to win the game, you need to be a LOT better. So your rank keeps falling. I could see how this could be a problem.
There is no elo hell. And it's simple statistics that as long as YOU play good every game, eventually you will raise in ELO. Many people just lose a few games and start screaming ELO HELL, why your true elo hardly shows even after 100 games. (But you should play atleast 100 games before you start asking what elo you belong to.)
People just like to blame others over themselves. It's just human nature.
And like someone pointed out, if you go 1-3 in lane at 900 ELO, chances are you are 900 ELO. My friend quit LoL and gave me his 1100 ELO account. I've been ''trolling'' as my teammates put it, up to 1500 ELO with it using unorthodox picks and playing heroes I've never tried before. Never lost a lane and probably won't untill I reach 1800-1900.
The shitstorm it causes when you pick Yorick support when they asked for Soraka is down right hilarious untill they realize it's actually viable and I'm basically 2v1ing their bot lane while my AD free farms. People are just that bad.
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On April 16 2012 20:54 how wrote:
I don't ply lol, but this post is interesting to me. From what I can see though, the ELO hell is like getting stuck in team games with shitty partners. You can be better than everyone on your team, but in able to win the game, you need to be a LOT better. So your rank keeps falling. I could see how this could be a problem.
The issue with that logic is that you assume you get shitty teammates because you are in a shitty ELO but the enemy team somehow doesn't suck as much. If you are stuck in "ELO hell", you are stuck with shitty teammates but also stuck facing shitty oponents. If everyone in the game is worse than you, you will eventually raise in rank, even if it takes a while. The idea the gods of matchmaking choose to always place every bad player in your team is one of the worst things in this kind of game.
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My understanding is that Ezreal is a HORRIBLE ad carry. He carries really softly because he has no steroids or any other means to empower his autoattack.
Try Caitlyn and Tristana.
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Random perspective on how consistent you have to play:
If you cause your team to lose 1 game out of every 10 you play, you are at the elo you should be (1/5 losses due to you, other 4/5 due to teammates, other 5 games wins)
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On April 16 2012 22:04 Sufficiency wrote:
My understanding is that Ezreal is a HORRIBLE ad carry. He carries really softly because he has no steroids or any other means to empower his autoattack.
Try Caitlyn and Tristana.
Then your understanding is greatly lacking. Saying Ezreal has no steroids and then saying he should play Caitlyn in the same sentence.... what? Explain what steroids Caitlyn has.
Ezreal has a steroid, his passive. He gets incredible amount of Atk speed for free basically which is why PD is rarely built on him.
Ezreal is far from a horrible AD carry, but he's a very different AD carry. Ezreal is an incredible laner (which is why you shouldn't lose lane with him.) and in teamfights he's extremely hard to kill. (Double blink and long range.)
Also, once your lvl 16-18, win one teamfight and push Nexus towers down because Ezreal is dishing out 40% atk speed to your allies.
Despite all this, what he generally lacks late game is damage. You can't autoattack people to death. Especially if their tank / bruiser manages to park himself infront of you and your forced to throw your Q's at him doing 5-10% per hit, while you could be doing double / triple that on squishier targets. A carry like Vayne, Ashe, Cait etc are better in those types of situations.
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Why are you playing by yourself? I haven't played a solo game in 2 years because its so terrible. You have the whole TL LoL community to play with, so you almost always can find somebody. It'll make it more fun and you'll always have one not-horrible person with you.
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On April 16 2012 18:17 zalz wrote:
ELO hell doesn't exist.
You will protest, argue that it does, provide meaningless and biased information.
It does not exist and any claim that it does is a poor attempt at shifting the blame. You get the elo you deserve, good players have shown this countless times.
A player who competes at 2000+ can drop to a 1000 and climb back up. The fact that you can't climb up isn't evidence of a flawed system, in fact, it is evidence that the system works.
Truth.
It does not exist, and your post is pretty much perfect in every way. It's just like people in sc who complain that the play is too noob or too cheesy in gold league for them to execute mad gosu strats like ffe and 3 hatch zvp, but dont realize that cheese in master/gm is 60x better executed then what they're facing so its not like they'll be able to make that third hatch when the guy is attacking with 4 more zeals 2 minutes earlier.
If you get better you move up, if you don't, you don't.
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I'm relatively new to LoL, I don't even play ranked games yet. As such I'm a complete noob, but isn't it possible that someone who is theoretically "decent" could be stuck at lower ELO's because he keeps getting matched with bad teammates? Or is dramatically higher skill on one team member enough to swing the game in his/her favor despite teammates who act stupidly?
Just an honest question forgive my lack of understanding.
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On April 16 2012 22:49 NonFactor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 22:04 Sufficiency wrote:
My understanding is that Ezreal is a HORRIBLE ad carry. He carries really softly because he has no steroids or any other means to empower his autoattack.
Try Caitlyn and Tristana. Then your understanding is greatly lacking. Saying Ezreal has no steroids and then saying he should play Caitlyn in the same sentence.... what? Explain what steroids Caitlyn has. Ezreal has a steroid, his passive. He gets incredible amount of Atk speed for free basically which is why PD is rarely built on him. Ezreal is far from a horrible AD carry, but he's a very different AD carry. Ezreal is an incredible laner (which is why you shouldn't lose lane with him.) and in teamfights he's extremely hard to kill. (Double blink and long range.) Also, once your lvl 16-18, win one teamfight and push Nexus towers down because Ezreal is dishing out 40% atk speed to your allies. Despite all this, what he generally lacks late game is damage. You can't autoattack people to death. Especially if their tank / bruiser manages to park himself infront of you and your forced to throw your Q's at him doing 5-10% per hit, while you could be doing double / triple that on squishier targets. A carry like Vayne, Ashe, Cait etc are better in those types of situations.
I am quite aware of Ezreal's Innate. Good luck maintaining 5 stacks in late game while everyone is trying to either kill you or running away from you while you try to position yourself well.
Caitlyn's Innate is not a steroid in the sense that it doesn't give her attack speed, but it does increase her DPS in a significant way that is *multiplicative* to her other bonuses; furthermore it's SIMPLE; you just need to autoattack, nothing else. Caitlyn mostly shines on her Q, though - Ezreal does not have anything comparable to that (although he does have a blink).
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On April 16 2012 23:05 RJGooner wrote:
I'm relatively new to LoL, I don't even play ranked games yet. As such I'm a complete noob, but isn't it possible that someone who is theoretically "decent" could be stuck at lower ELO's because he keeps getting matched with bad teammates? Or is dramatically higher skill on one team member enough to swing the game in his/her favor despite teammates who act stupidly?
Just an honest question forgive my lack of understanding.
There will always be games where you simply CAN'T win. Everyone has had one of those games, and will have more in the future.
But if YOU keep performing great every game, then pure statistics say that if you play enough, you will get higher ELO. But you need to keep playing.
People lose 5 games where they went positive stats and think they are in elo hell. As I said before, try 100 games and you will get closer to the truth.
And yes, 1 team member can make ALL the difference in a game. Most notably mid player and jungler. A burst AP mid like Annie, Morgana are great throughout all faces in the game. Even though you can't 1v5, you can win a 3v4, 5v5 etc. with a well placed ultimate.
Junglers can win lanes for people, and through that make a massive difference. It might not be as noticeable as an AP carry that goes 10 kills every game, but it happens.
I think I average about 13 kills / game with Annie. When I play her, it doesn't matter how bad my team sucks. If I roll out of lane 3-0 with 20 min Deathcap, even a horrible team realizes that when I flash > ulti, they follow and kill anyone who didn't melt.
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so THIS is where you went after IRC mafia? :U
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I have to admit i haven't played the game for a few months (but had >1000 wins before that) now, but I don't think that the game has changed that much (judging from tourney streams it hasn't).
I don't understand why you expect to carry your team with an AD carry. Carries in LoL are very different from other MOBAs in that they are not able to carry the game alone (vayne is prolly a bit different because she is beast at 1v1). They are glass cannons and desperately NEED their team to support and babysit them throughout the whole game. If you are playing uncoordinated (pubs) you will not be able to "carry" the game.
To carry in LoL, play solo top, AP mid or certain junglers, because they are the most important parts of the team. If you don't play any of those roles, you have your bad teammates on those lanes and if they lose them, you are screwed (bot is mostly behind in levels and farm).
Mid is important because it dominates the game early on. Mid can gank and at 6 go bot or top to oneshot people.
Top is important because tanky dps are the true carries in LoL. If they have enough feed they can take on several enemies at once (carries can't because they are glass cannons).
Jungle is important because it allows you to win mid and top by ganking and screw their jungler over so he can't do his job
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On April 16 2012 23:16 NonFactor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 23:05 RJGooner wrote:
I'm relatively new to LoL, I don't even play ranked games yet. As such I'm a complete noob, but isn't it possible that someone who is theoretically "decent" could be stuck at lower ELO's because he keeps getting matched with bad teammates? Or is dramatically higher skill on one team member enough to swing the game in his/her favor despite teammates who act stupidly?
Just an honest question forgive my lack of understanding. There will always be games where you simply CAN'T win. Everyone has had one of those games, and will have more in the future. But if YOU keep performing great every game, then pure statistics say that if you play enough, you will get higher ELO. But you need to keep playing. People lose 5 games where they went positive stats and think they are in elo hell. As I said before, try 100 games and you will get closer to the truth. And yes, 1 team member can make ALL the difference in a game. Most notably mid player and jungler. A burst AP mid like Annie, Morgana are great throughout all faces in the game. Even though you can't 1v5, you can win a 3v4, 5v5 etc. with a well placed ultimate. Junglers can win lanes for people, and through that make a massive difference. It might not be as noticeable as an AP carry that goes 10 kills every game, but it happens. I think I average about 13 kills / game with Annie. When I play her, it doesn't matter how bad my team sucks. If I roll out of lane 3-0 with 20 min Deathcap, even a horrible team realizes that when I flash > ulti, they follow and kill anyone who didn't melt.
What I find hard is that rolling out in 20 minutes after complete ownage in my (mid) lane is a difficult task. What if the other team is competent, and after you killed their AP carry twice, they start to maintain two people in mid at all times to try to gank you? Then it becomes very difficult to win over the lane if your allies suck. I think this is even more difficult if you play someone like Annie who lacks real escape mechanism and has to defend yourself by charging up a stun in case you are caught off guard.
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One thing I've found when people complain abotu ELO Hell is that they focus too much soley on the numbers in their performance instead of carrying the team through objectives and support.
Even if you crush your lane, its not going to outright win the game (as you know). You need to take steps to help the "bad" players on your team win their lanes. Of course, help ward objectives and try to call out plays surrounding them (whether its coordinating a turret push or a dragon kill). Go the extra mile to help ward their lanes if you notice the aren't, and even ping when you see an incoming gank (instead of assuming they are looking at the mini map). Thing like roaming for kills more instead of focussing on huge cs numbers will have more of an effect at that lower level as well.
Carrying low ELO is more than just getting your numbers up, its babysitting and leading the four people that you think you're better than. If you can do that, you'll move up in ELO, if you can't then you should probably stay where you are at until you realize how important the team aspect is (and that solo performance can't outweight a shitty team attitude).
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On April 16 2012 23:11 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 22:49 NonFactor wrote:On April 16 2012 22:04 Sufficiency wrote:
My understanding is that Ezreal is a HORRIBLE ad carry. He carries really softly because he has no steroids or any other means to empower his autoattack.
Try Caitlyn and Tristana. Then your understanding is greatly lacking. Saying Ezreal has no steroids and then saying he should play Caitlyn in the same sentence.... what? Explain what steroids Caitlyn has. Ezreal has a steroid, his passive. He gets incredible amount of Atk speed for free basically which is why PD is rarely built on him. Ezreal is far from a horrible AD carry, but he's a very different AD carry. Ezreal is an incredible laner (which is why you shouldn't lose lane with him.) and in teamfights he's extremely hard to kill. (Double blink and long range.) Also, once your lvl 16-18, win one teamfight and push Nexus towers down because Ezreal is dishing out 40% atk speed to your allies. Despite all this, what he generally lacks late game is damage. You can't autoattack people to death. Especially if their tank / bruiser manages to park himself infront of you and your forced to throw your Q's at him doing 5-10% per hit, while you could be doing double / triple that on squishier targets. A carry like Vayne, Ashe, Cait etc are better in those types of situations. I am quite aware of Ezreal's Innate. Good luck maintaining 5 stacks in late game while everyone is trying to either kill you or running away from you while you try to position yourself well. Caitlyn's Innate is not a steroid in the sense that it doesn't give her attack speed, but it does increase her DPS in a significant way that is *multiplicative* to her other bonuses; furthermore it's SIMPLE; you just need to autoattack, nothing else. Caitlyn mostly shines on her Q, though - Ezreal does not have anything comparable to that (although he does have a blink).
Have you ever played Ezreal? I always pick Ezreal when I need to play AD since I love his aggressive laning phase, and I know from experience that maintaining 5 stacks LATE GAME isn't a problem at all. I mean really, it would have made sense had you said early game, because that's when it's hard but late game? You have 3 skills in your arsenal which gives you stacks. 2 of them are AoE. One has unlimited range with massive AoE, the other works on both allies and enemies. And then you have Q.
Teamfight starts? Throw Ulti into the enemy team, most of the time you are guaranteed atleast 3-4 stacks. Use W on your teammate(s) that aren't in the fight yet (like support) and press Q on the nearest enemy. 5 stacks. Everytime. Of course, you don't even need to be that technical about it. Usually just Q spam gives you 5 stacks quite fast. And since you are Ezreal, and you are supposed to be poking before a fight, you most likely already have a few stacks anyways.
Also Caits Q is only powerful early mid game. Late game Caits Q falls off in favour of her autoattack. And also the fact that the animation that Q has is horrible if your in a fight. It's primarily used while laning since it's safe there, or against opponents that are fleeing. And Ezreal has 2 skills that are similar. His own Q that also has long range. (No AoE though) And his ultimate, which has higher damage and higher range. Of course, it's not as spammable but you won't be spamming Caits Q either except on lane (with soraka) / poke situation.
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On April 16 2012 23:21 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 23:16 NonFactor wrote:On April 16 2012 23:05 RJGooner wrote:
I'm relatively new to LoL, I don't even play ranked games yet. As such I'm a complete noob, but isn't it possible that someone who is theoretically "decent" could be stuck at lower ELO's because he keeps getting matched with bad teammates? Or is dramatically higher skill on one team member enough to swing the game in his/her favor despite teammates who act stupidly?
Just an honest question forgive my lack of understanding. There will always be games where you simply CAN'T win. Everyone has had one of those games, and will have more in the future. But if YOU keep performing great every game, then pure statistics say that if you play enough, you will get higher ELO. But you need to keep playing. People lose 5 games where they went positive stats and think they are in elo hell. As I said before, try 100 games and you will get closer to the truth. And yes, 1 team member can make ALL the difference in a game. Most notably mid player and jungler. A burst AP mid like Annie, Morgana are great throughout all faces in the game. Even though you can't 1v5, you can win a 3v4, 5v5 etc. with a well placed ultimate. Junglers can win lanes for people, and through that make a massive difference. It might not be as noticeable as an AP carry that goes 10 kills every game, but it happens. I think I average about 13 kills / game with Annie. When I play her, it doesn't matter how bad my team sucks. If I roll out of lane 3-0 with 20 min Deathcap, even a horrible team realizes that when I flash > ulti, they follow and kill anyone who didn't melt. What I find hard is that rolling out in 20 minutes after complete ownage in my (mid) lane is a difficult task. What if the other team is competent, and after you killed their AP carry twice, they start to maintain two people in mid at all times to try to gank you? Then it becomes very difficult to win over the lane if your allies suck. I think this is even more difficult if you play someone like Annie who lacks real escape mechanism and has to defend yourself by charging up a stun in case you are caught off guard.
Great, that's exactly what I want. If their jungler is camping me, it means he's not camping others.
Wards will deter any type of jungling aggression on mid. And you can afford them.
Heres a tip: Buy 1 ward and put it on either side. Now only stay on THAT side. What does this achieve? You will see when the jungler comes, if he comes from the side your standing. (This usually happens) You can instantly back off safely. If he comes from the other side that isn't warded, you can retreat through the side you warded, and they can't catch you.
There are some exceptions though, and it usually has to do what Mid your facing. Ahri for example makes this harder since she has so high mobility, she can just follow you, charm you and buy the jungler enough time to catch up.
Learn to understand also when your getting baited. It's usually incredibly obvious. Especially if you've been winning the lane.
Edit: I also forgot to mention, wards will automatically also help your team. Warding next to the wraith camp is probably the place to put the ward.
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On April 16 2012 22:49 NonFactor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 22:04 Sufficiency wrote:
My understanding is that Ezreal is a HORRIBLE ad carry. He carries really softly because he has no steroids or any other means to empower his autoattack.
Try Caitlyn and Tristana. Then your understanding is greatly lacking. Saying Ezreal has no steroids and then saying he should play Caitlyn in the same sentence.... what? Explain what steroids Caitlyn has. Ezreal has a steroid, his passive. He gets incredible amount of Atk speed for free basically which is why PD is rarely built on him. Ezreal is far from a horrible AD carry, but he's a very different AD carry. Ezreal is an incredible laner (which is why you shouldn't lose lane with him.) and in teamfights he's extremely hard to kill. (Double blink and long range.) Also, once your lvl 16-18, win one teamfight and push Nexus towers down because Ezreal is dishing out 40% atk speed to your allies. Despite all this, what he generally lacks late game is damage. You can't autoattack people to death. Especially if their tank / bruiser manages to park himself infront of you and your forced to throw your Q's at him doing 5-10% per hit, while you could be doing double / triple that on squishier targets. A carry like Vayne, Ashe, Cait etc are better in those types of situations.
What steroids those cait have..........
Cait's steroids are her range. She can get two or more shots off safely before ez can get one shot off. Cait has longer range making it harder to get on her, meaning she gets more shots off just standing there. Ez has to lose time auto attacking running around and "kiting".
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On April 16 2012 23:55 0123456789 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 22:49 NonFactor wrote:On April 16 2012 22:04 Sufficiency wrote:
My understanding is that Ezreal is a HORRIBLE ad carry. He carries really softly because he has no steroids or any other means to empower his autoattack.
Try Caitlyn and Tristana. Then your understanding is greatly lacking. Saying Ezreal has no steroids and then saying he should play Caitlyn in the same sentence.... what? Explain what steroids Caitlyn has. Ezreal has a steroid, his passive. He gets incredible amount of Atk speed for free basically which is why PD is rarely built on him. Ezreal is far from a horrible AD carry, but he's a very different AD carry. Ezreal is an incredible laner (which is why you shouldn't lose lane with him.) and in teamfights he's extremely hard to kill. (Double blink and long range.) Also, once your lvl 16-18, win one teamfight and push Nexus towers down because Ezreal is dishing out 40% atk speed to your allies. Despite all this, what he generally lacks late game is damage. You can't autoattack people to death. Especially if their tank / bruiser manages to park himself infront of you and your forced to throw your Q's at him doing 5-10% per hit, while you could be doing double / triple that on squishier targets. A carry like Vayne, Ashe, Cait etc are better in those types of situations. What steroids those cait have.......... Cait's steroids are her range. She can get two or more shots off safely before ez can get one shot off. Cait has longer range making it harder to get on her, meaning she gets more shots off just standing there. Ez has to lose time auto attacking running around and "kiting".
Yes, her range, and her range only is what makes Cait a decent pick. Still doesn't make Ezreal bad.
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hi there...just going to give a few thoughts... if you didn't know ezreal mid is still a crazy ass strong pick. ability to snipe people and the mobility he gives is ridiculous. he also shits on most people mid lane fairly well (pantheon rapes him though).
don't play support at low elos because your ad probably can't cs well may as well try and split it 50/50 or something
play with a i'm going to carry mentality
sorry my post is probably hard to understand
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Atm goin down from 2.1k to 1.4k after a short break )))) ~10 kda ratio not enough, although most of the players in "elohell" are in fact bad, there are also some who just havent played many games or are indeed very unlucky. There are so many lolplayers that there exist people who get unlucky literally every game (me atm, 20% winrate although i totally DESTROY my opponent AND gang AND ward [mostly ap mid]).
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On April 17 2012 00:13 wussleeQ wrote:
hi there...just going to give a few thoughts... if you didn't know ezreal mid is still a crazy ass strong pick. ability to snipe people and the mobility he gives is ridiculous. he also shits on most people mid lane fairly well (pantheon rapes him though).
don't play support at low elos because your ad probably can't cs well may as well try and split it 50/50 or something
play with a i'm going to carry mentality
sorry my post is probably hard to understand
Thanks, ill try him mid. Ad or AP?
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I second the guy who mentioned having a high winrate as support. It's the only role in which I have the time to actually tell my team how to carry themselves, when to go dragon, when to go baron and type out the rationale for it. Taric and Janna are great for this because it's fairly easy to do everything for your ad carry and feed him kills. if you tell him "i ping, i stun u go in balls deep" and you know what you're doing, unless your lane partner is brain-dead you should be fine. Now, winning bot lane doesn't mean that you win the lane automatically. In fact, you're pretty irrelevant if your mid and top get crushed badly due to the level advantage, but it gives your jungler 1 lane less to worry about, so that he can focus on the other 2.
I stopped playing ranked after I got 4 4v5s in a row due to disconnects. It was extremely unfortunate, and irritating on all levels. Since then, I only play arranged fives either blind or draft pick and try fun strats like jungle annie with friends playing kat (or kennen) mid. It's ridiculous how strong that shit is mid-game. As long as your top doesn't feed, you should be able to snowball the game. But I digress, the point being that ranked for me was a terrible experience and I get much more from playing troll picks with friends than getting stuck with a bunch of people who just don't have the brains to play LoL. There's much more strategy to the game than people think. If you manage to educate your team during a game (provided they're willing to listen) you should be winning around (arbitrarily thrown number alert) 70% of your games.
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On April 17 2012 00:55 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2012 00:13 wussleeQ wrote:
hi there...just going to give a few thoughts... if you didn't know ezreal mid is still a crazy ass strong pick. ability to snipe people and the mobility he gives is ridiculous. he also shits on most people mid lane fairly well (pantheon rapes him though).
don't play support at low elos because your ad probably can't cs well may as well try and split it 50/50 or something
play with a i'm going to carry mentality
sorry my post is probably hard to understand Thanks, ill try him mid. Ad or AP?
Either, but you're probably more familiar with him ad. Just fyi people will flame you for breaking meta.
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On April 16 2012 23:05 RJGooner wrote:
I'm relatively new to LoL, I don't even play ranked games yet. As such I'm a complete noob, but isn't it possible that someone who is theoretically "decent" could be stuck at lower ELO's because he keeps getting matched with bad teammates? Or is dramatically higher skill on one team member enough to swing the game in his/her favor despite teammates who act stupidly?
Just an honest question forgive my lack of understanding.
it is possible, just very improbable. Given the extremely large number of people playing this game, just mathematically it's bound to have happened to some of them. However, the odds of any one person who says they are getting screwed this way actually being one of those people as oppessed to self-deluding is vanishingly small, especially since the majority of people have what is considered an undesirable elo. Also consider it just as likely for somebody to be stuck at a higher rating than they deserve. Given what the op has described of his games his knowledge seems to be a little lacking so i doubt this is the fabled elo hell striking.
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I know how you feel, I dropped below 1400 a few days ago and have had no motivation to play. Its frustrating playing entirely solo queue, but if you wanted to try some games together shoot me a PM and we can duo queue.
I can play everything but I hate support the most
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in "elo hell" you need another skill on top of your mechanics: knowing your team and how to act so that even the biggest noobs function to their max potential in your team.
also as an ad carry, for a long time i was thinking that i'm doing super well, just because i cs'ed well, but there is more to it:positioning.
i noticed i fell way too early in team fights or didn't do a ton of dmg.
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u could just pick graves so much ezier
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