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MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 00:01:18
January 08 2012 11:32 GMT
#1
If you haven't gathered, my local server is the SEA server, and quite honestly, it really is the least of all the servers.
I log onto sc2 regularly, like most people here, and I always note the number of games in your region, and on average im always finding it to be 600~1000.
So if we assume that all these games are 1v1's (which isnt true, but for the sake of argument we will)
This would mean that 1,200~2,000 players are playing 1v1...But we know that this is VERY inaccurate. I am not sure if the game counter counts the custom games or not, but again, we will assume it does.
So if we try to factor in 2v2's, 3v3's, 4v4's, FFA's and customs, we could probably say that 50% of the games are 1v1's. Which means that there are 600~1,000 players doing 1v1 ladders, spread out among the divisions. Most of these players would be Diamond and above, the ones that take sc2 a little more seriously than the rest.

Why do I bring this up?
Because im stuck in Gold, and have been for a while now, the main problem is the 5-10 minute queue times, and when I do get a game, it is against some bronze player that has 6 games under their belt and it really isnt too much challenge sadly. The brings out the problem of actually getting better at the game. I mean, if im constantly going against bronze players that have not any clue what they are doing I cant get better, and when matchmaking actually places me against platinum or higher its a real struggle to do anything.
Its like as if you were playing against bots, then go play experienced players for the first time.

Now, I know some people will say "Then play on the NA server, rofln00b" or something to that effect, but here lies yet another glaring issue. Lag.
It is unavoidable and gimps your play from the first 3 seconds in.
There is about 1.5 seconds worth of delay, and that makes it rather annoying to do anything.

So for actually playing 1v1's, its pretty damn horrible.

Now obviously there are people that are going to object to what im about to say, and probably have a valid point, but I cant think of any other real way of allowing those in the SEA server who actually want to get good at sc2 to do so.

A merger of the SEA server and the newly merged CN.TWN/KR server.
Now I know a lot of people are going to be all , WELL HUURR LANGUAGE BARRIER DURRR...
To which I have to say...you are only adding in a small audience that speaks english. Seriously. They just merged a Mandarin and Korean speaking server, and it isnt like these people dont know some english....It really wouldnt be that much of a big deal.
I would rather sit in a silver league where queue times are 20 seconds than sit in high gold where queue times are anywhere from 5-10 minutes.

TL;DR version;
SEA server has nearly no population and nearly no competitive aspect to it. NA server has too much lag to play well on. Proposing that the SEA server merge with the CN.TWN/KR server.

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EDIT:Currently downloading Sc2 Starter Edition for the TW.CN/KR server
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EDIT2:Ping time to the TW/KR server is 15-50ms on average.


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Apom
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
France655 Posts
January 08 2012 11:37 GMT
#2
This blog is interesting because it addresses the issue from a casual player perspective and without truckloads of rage, as is too often seen. Unfortunately, there isn't much I can say on the topic (we have 10 sec queue time at 2am in Europe...), but I sure hope your issue gets resolved in some reasonable way.
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
January 08 2012 11:43 GMT
#3
I understand your frustration. We have about 10 times that many games on the EU server atm - and for sure this is not the prime time now. The thing is, TL can't help you with that, you will have to post that on the SEA battle.net forums. Not sure if that really helps, but it might be worth a try.
nekoconeco
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia359 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 11:45:25
January 08 2012 11:44 GMT
#4
You can buy a TWN/KR version on sc2sea http://www.sc2sea.com/cartplog.php

You might want to check your latency to the KR server for some people NA is better than even SEA, and for others KR is better it depends on your ISP.

BTW I agree with you that SEA should be merged with TWN since it makes more sense that way.
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kAelle_sc
Profile Joined April 2011
287 Posts
January 08 2012 11:45 GMT
#5
I had this problem too when I was laddering only on SEA 3 months ago. That's why I got a Korea/Taiwan account: no lag at all from here, latency even better than SEA itself, and I get a match in more or less 10 seconds. And I got really challenged in the Diamond below leagues which motivates me to improve: there are macro games and cheeses and early aggression and shennanigans. The real treat is in Masters above where the games are really worthwhile. It's only $40 on OffGamers (compared to $64 on sc2sea).

I doubt that Blizzard will merge KR/TW with SEA/ANZ. Let's hope for the best this 2012 or come Heart of the Swarm.
It's all about the journey, not the outcome.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 11:52 GMT
#6
On January 08 2012 20:43 grs wrote:
I understand your frustration. We have about 10 times that many games on the EU server atm - and for sure this is not the prime time now. The thing is, TL can't help you with that, you will have to post that on the SEA battle.net forums. Not sure if that really helps, but it might be worth a try.


There is currently a thread on the forums questioning the population of the SEA server, and it wasnt made be me, and by the sound of things, the GM of the SEA server have 2 minute queue times, Diamond/Plat has 90 secs avg. Everyone else struggles to get games.

Good to know that im not the only one on the SEA server who is experiencing this.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 11:59 GMT
#7
On January 08 2012 20:44 nekoconeco wrote:
You can buy a TWN/KR version on sc2sea http://www.sc2sea.com/cartplog.php

You might want to check your latency to the KR server for some people NA is better than even SEA, and for others KR is better it depends on your ISP.

BTW I agree with you that SEA should be merged with TWN since it makes more sense that way.


Well im currently downloading blizzards "Free Sc2 for a week" thingy for the Taiwanese server so Ill use that to check the latency, although I have a 20Mbit down, so I think it will be fine, but you cant be too careful before throwing $40-60 away
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
January 08 2012 12:02 GMT
#8
well you are gold (stuck in).
And you say competitive aspect?
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MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 12:05 GMT
#9
On January 08 2012 21:02 winthrop wrote:
well you are gold (stuck in).
And you say competitive aspect?

I can beat plat and diamond players, sometimes masters, in 1v1, but my "official" ranking is gold yes. Competing against nobody in your division is quite a sad thing really. I could hit rank 1, stop laddering, come back at the end of the season, and still be rank 1. There is no "thrill of the chase". And besides that 80% of my games are against cannon rushing protoss, 2 proxy rax terrans or zergs that double extractor trick 12 pool and try to plant 2 spine crawlers in your base.
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 12:17:47
January 08 2012 12:12 GMT
#10
Sounds like a good idea - just be aware that on the KR server, you won't be in Gold league, probably high Bronze or Silver. If that's an issue for you of course...also the KR server is still cheesy.

You were complaining about lag to NA server, but if they merge you might get lag to KR server as well. The only server I have latency issues with is EU. The other servers are 100-200ms, which is to be expected in Australia.
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
January 08 2012 12:15 GMT
#11
On January 08 2012 21:02 winthrop wrote:
well you are gold (stuck in).
And you say competitive aspect?

Because gold people deserve to wait 5 minutes before they can find a game on a server?

Just play on NA, the lag is not that bad and maybe a bit worse than to the kr/tw server but the player population is huge and 5 min queues are uncommon at most times of the day.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 12:16 GMT
#12
On January 08 2012 21:12 Netsky wrote:
Sounds like a good idea - just be aware that on the KR server, you won't be in Gold league, probably high Bronze or Silver. If that's an issue for you of course...also the KR server is still cheesy.


I understand that Gold in SEA is basicly high bronze in KR and im ok with that.

As for cheese in KR, yes it still happense, but at least they dont immediately leave when you find their proxy pylon =\
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 12:25 GMT
#13
On January 08 2012 21:15 T0fuuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 21:02 winthrop wrote:
well you are gold (stuck in).
And you say competitive aspect?

Because gold people deserve to wait 5 minutes before they can find a game on a server?

Just play on NA, the lag is not that bad and maybe a bit worse than to the kr/tw server but the player population is huge and 5 min queues are uncommon at most times of the day.


Maybe its a bit worse in my case, primarily because i share my internet connection with 5 others, so international connection suffer. Because 1.5-3 seconds of delay (depends on who is downloading what) is a steep amount of delay.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 08 2012 12:37 GMT
#14
No, don't merge with Taiwan please. Their Protoss's are numerous and cheesy little fucks. They can stay in their own corner please.

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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 08 2012 12:58 GMT
#15
How strange that you lag on the NA server.

I ditched the SEA server and made masters on NA without any lag issue.
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littlemozart7
Profile Joined March 2011
69 Posts
January 08 2012 13:08 GMT
#16
i really agree that there are so little pple playing starcraft 2 on SEA. like even teamgames, they take so long to search thesedays as compared to the days where sc2 just released. and for 1v1, you play the same pple over and over again. i really hope some merger can happen for SEA
worked13
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia93 Posts
January 08 2012 13:31 GMT
#17
It's even worse having a MMR at the high master/GM level. I regularly come up against the same player 4 games in a row.
I wouldn't mind a merge, the player base is much too small on SEA. I ping ~200ms on the TW server, about ~70ms more than SEA. Would have to get used to the increased lag, which would wreak havoc on clutch FF placements.
elliminist
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan121 Posts
January 08 2012 13:40 GMT
#18
On January 08 2012 21:58 RogerX wrote:
How strange that you lag on the NA server.

I ditched the SEA server and made masters on NA without any lag issue.


I think op is being unreasonable about it in the first place.

I get 250 ping to na 350-400 to sea. Didnt stop me from getting masters on both two seasons ago. And when i do queue it only takes me 1 1/2 minutes to find a match.

The reason you're stuck in gold is the fact that a player who is still in gold season 5 is a casual who can't get better than the inactive mean, or because you started late last season...

NA is quite bearable ping imo, every other isp in the country should have better connection than me.
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Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
January 08 2012 14:03 GMT
#19
Pardon me if Im wrong but wouldnt someone in the SEA area have reasonable ping on the KR server?
Obviously its a much more difficult server to play on but if your goal is to improve that seems the flat out best place to go.
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haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 14:08:31
January 08 2012 14:06 GMT
#20
^ Korean/Taiwan server should have okay ping, however Australian ISP sucks so...

US server is about the same sort of ping as Sea. I haven't noticed any difference when playing, At one point I forgot to change region while waiting for server reset and played next 30 of so games on SEA lol.

do what we all do? switch to US server for games :/
Rillanon.au
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 14:10 GMT
#21
On January 08 2012 23:03 Synwave wrote:
Pardon me if Im wrong but wouldnt someone in the SEA area have reasonable ping on the KR server?
Obviously its a much more difficult server to play on but if your goal is to improve that seems the flat out best place to go.


No, you are absolutely correct. We can all agree that the KR ladder is easily the richest place of talent and skill, and anyone that opposes that notion is ... ill-informed or trololololling.
And the ping is only 20-50ms higher than the SEA server, which is basically nothing. So I am 100% positive im making the switch to the KR ladder.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 14:15 GMT
#22
On January 08 2012 23:06 haduken wrote:
^ Korean/Taiwan server should have okay ping, however Australian ISP sucks so...

US server is about the same sort of ping as Sea. I haven't noticed any difference when playing, At one point I forgot to change region while waiting for server reset and played next 30 of so games on SEA lol.

do what we all do? switch to US server for games :/


Actually, Aus ISP isnt too bad these days, the government has been upgrading the lines, and are currently in the process of a multi-million dollar scheme to make our internet as fast as koreas, but in any case, my personal internet is quite good for Aus ISP, I live near a switch point and on top of that I use cable and live in an elderly neighborhood where hardly anyone has internet. However, Aus -> Us, is about 250ms, while Aus -> China/Korea is only 80-100ms.
That could just be me though.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 14:20 GMT
#23
On January 08 2012 22:40 elliminist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 21:58 RogerX wrote:
How strange that you lag on the NA server.

I ditched the SEA server and made masters on NA without any lag issue.


I think op is being unreasonable about it in the first place.

I get 250 ping to na 350-400 to sea. Didnt stop me from getting masters on both two seasons ago. And when i do queue it only takes me 1 1/2 minutes to find a match.

The reason you're stuck in gold is the fact that a player who is still in gold season 5 is a casual who can't get better than the inactive mean, or because you started late last season...

NA is quite bearable ping imo, every other isp in the country should have better connection than me.


I dont think you may be reading. 1.5-3 seconds delay, or more sometimes. I cannot play NA, its the main reasons I stopped competing in the Go4Sc2, the delay is just not reasonable.
And personally, I dont mind spending $40 to get a TW/KR account and ladder on the best ladder and get a true gauging of skill.
And FYI, I took a break from season 2 3 and 4 because of studies, so yeah, im a little out of it, and the new season only started a few weeks ago, i dont think there would be a better time to jump servers.
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
January 08 2012 14:32 GMT
#24
I think ur making this a bigger deal than what it is...
u CAN get out of gold, when u play more games and win more.
I am on SEA and NA, its funny how u get lag, because i dont get any and im in aus too.
make the goal to get to masters on SEA, just suck it up and keep playing, im masters on SEA and dont have issues finding someone to verse. granted, its slightly longer and i get weird match ups verse diamonds and grandmasters, but hey i dont care i just want a game.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 14:42 GMT
#25
On January 08 2012 23:32 run.at.me wrote:
I think ur making this a bigger deal than what it is...
u CAN get out of gold, when u play more games and win more.
I am on SEA and NA, its funny how u get lag, because i dont get any and im in aus too.
make the goal to get to masters on SEA, just suck it up and keep playing, im masters on SEA and dont have issues finding someone to verse. granted, its slightly longer and i get weird match ups verse diamonds and grandmasters, but hey i dont care i just want a game.


Im sorry I dont like having 1 game an hour, maybe 2. It boring and dull. I dont want to go to the NA server because there is more delay than there needs to be. You clearly have not read everything written here, because if you had you wouldnt be replying with the same things others already have. I want to improve, and switching to NA with 1.5-3 seconds of delay is not going to make any real improvement. I would rather go to the best ladder with only 80~90ms and play on that server. I dont want JUST a game, I want the best game I can have, and I cant have that on SEA. GM on the SEA is only Diamond maybe some on masters in KR. There is no competition in SEA, its just laddering against people who play once a week.
On another note, the people on my friends list have not been on in over 52 weeks. The population is dwindling and everyone is jumping ship, so im going to jump to the KR ladder, its the closest to the SEA server.
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
January 08 2012 14:52 GMT
#26
i have 1-2 min wait time on SEA almost regardless of what time it is, im gold on sea too
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youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
January 08 2012 15:01 GMT
#27
On January 08 2012 23:42 MrBGJM wrote:
so im going to jump to the KR ladder, its the closest to the SEA server.

what
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MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 15:06 GMT
#28
On January 09 2012 00:01 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 23:42 MrBGJM wrote:
so im going to jump to the KR ladder, its the closest to the SEA server.

what

What?
It is the closest (by distance) to SEA, I mean technically, Korea IS South East Asia, but its split up for whatever reason, therefore having less delay than NA and EU.
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
January 08 2012 15:14 GMT
#29
Isn't the SEA server in korea anyway?
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MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 15:21:52
January 08 2012 15:21 GMT
#30
On January 09 2012 00:14 Tomken wrote:
Isn't the SEA server in korea anyway?

Actually Idk where the hosting is...probably korea, they do have the best internet.
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
January 08 2012 15:36 GMT
#31
maybe you have bad internet or something, dodo???
it hasnt been an issue of mine and theANTZ is in gold and doesnt have to wait either
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 15:41 GMT
#32
On January 09 2012 00:36 run.at.me wrote:
maybe you have bad internet or something, dodo???
it hasnt been an issue of mine and theANTZ is in gold and doesnt have to wait either


If you are trying to insult me with that dumbass comment about dodo, you are just making yourself look arrogant.
Clearly im still on dial-up -_-

Well congratulations to you two, its good to see that it works to some extent, but, once again, I repeat myself, it does not work for me.

And once again, I dont think you read this thread at all, otherwise you would have seen my internet speed and situation.
Please, just dont comment again.
DeekZ
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia235 Posts
January 08 2012 15:55 GMT
#33
I'm also Australian, I play SEA a little bit but the majority of my games have been played on NA, with a few on my new KR account. I disagree with the thing you said about SEA not having a competitive scene, and the queue times aren't that much worse than other servers.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 16:05 GMT
#34
On January 09 2012 00:55 DeekZ wrote:
I'm also Australian, I play SEA a little bit but the majority of my games have been played on NA, with a few on my new KR account. I disagree with the thing you said about SEA not having a competitive scene, and the queue times aren't that much worse than other servers.


This is a joke right?
800 players online at peak on the SEA server.
And the "best" of the SEA server get rolled by NA masters.
The queue times differ, but for the most part they are larger than 2-3 minutes.
queue times on the NA server is about 30-40 seconds, and EU is about 15-30 seconds, the TW/KR server only has about the same as EU.
The SEA server is a ghost town, there are 30-40 people in chatrooms, and very few active players. The majority of players are new comers to the game.
It is easily the worst of the servers, and why would anyone want to play on the worst, when they could play on the best with no penalty?
Its either going to merge or be left to a few hundred players.
There are Ragnarok Online servers with more players than the SEA server atm.
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
January 08 2012 16:23 GMT
#35
I'm too lazy to check right now, how many games go on in NA?
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 16:33 GMT
#36
On January 09 2012 01:23 OrangeSoda wrote:
I'm too lazy to check right now, how many games go on in NA?

3,500 currently.
nearly 10x the amount of SEA
Carapace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Netherlands128 Posts
January 08 2012 16:35 GMT
#37
Can`t comment on NA but there are around 8000 games going on here. (EU server)
Aruno
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand748 Posts
January 08 2012 16:59 GMT
#38
I played on SEA server on release, Got to Diamond on Satilite connection(which is 600+ ping minimum). In the first season.
You can get out of gold. That being said, I agree that the player size on SEA is far too small now. So a merger with another region would be welcome.
Infact I wish there was a global region option. Which would just connect you with the best pinged opponent to you, that is similar rank.
Oh well. Maybe when Blizzard gives up the region idea(I predict that will be when jesus returns + Show Spoiler +
Not likely at all
)
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MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 18:14 GMT
#39
1,200 games for the TW/KR server at 3 am
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
January 08 2012 18:23 GMT
#40
On January 09 2012 01:05 MrBGJM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 00:55 DeekZ wrote:
I'm also Australian, I play SEA a little bit but the majority of my games have been played on NA, with a few on my new KR account. I disagree with the thing you said about SEA not having a competitive scene, and the queue times aren't that much worse than other servers.

And the "best" of the SEA server get rolled by NA masters.

LOL
Thoramas
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 18:55:13
January 08 2012 18:49 GMT
#41
Just posting to iron out some facts about merger and server locations.

NA and LA servers could merge because both of them were ran from the same server in NA.
TW and KR servers could merge because both of them were ran from the same server in KR.

SEA server is ran in Singapore. Hence merging with another region is unlikely, that's why Blizzard gave SEA accounts access to NA.

edit: checking the IP address for cn.battle.net shows that the CN server is ran from Beijing, China.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 18:58:16
January 08 2012 18:51 GMT
#42
On January 09 2012 03:49 Thoramas wrote:
Just posting to iron out some facts about merger and server locations.

NA and LA servers could merge because both of them were ran from the same server in NA.
TW and KR servers could merge because both of them were ran from the same server in KR.

SEA server is ran in Singapore. Hence merging with another region is unlikely, that's why Blizzard gave SEA accounts access to NA.


Ahh, cool info.
Makes sense once you know this.

Although I appreciate and can see where blizzard was coming from with the NA access for SEA players, but even so I think it would have been smarter to allow TW or KR access instead, just because of latency.

I tried the "starter edition" for the TW/KR server and it is instant, no delay at all. (19ms)
NA has 250~ms
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
January 08 2012 19:21 GMT
#43
and are currently in the process of a multi-million dollar scheme to make our internet as fast as koreas


Yeah.... no
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
January 08 2012 20:29 GMT
#44
I play SEA and NA and unless things have changed a lot in the last month, I never had any trouble finding games on SEA. At worst I've run into the same people 2-3 times in a session, but that's no big thing at all. I didn't have any trouble finding games when I was gold either. Granted it was a little bit back, but I find it hard to believe its that barren now.

As for competitiveness I don't find NA harder whatsoever.
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Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 20:51:46
January 08 2012 20:51 GMT
#45
On January 09 2012 05:29 Subversive wrote:
As for competitiveness I don't find NA harder whatsoever.

NA is harder from master up.

Unlike the amusingly idiotic post on the last page suggests, however, top SEA GMs are also GM in NA. The server difference isn't huge, hence most competitive SEA players play on KR.
PsyChill
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia58 Posts
January 08 2012 22:06 GMT
#46
I think MrBGJM you are being a sook. Game wait times are about a minute max 1v1 and ping isn't that bad. I don't think you would find Naniwa complaining that he can't get out of gold on Sea because of his ping and load times lol
"I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” ~ Bruce Lee
mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
January 08 2012 22:17 GMT
#47
This blog is interesting,it pin points one of the greatest problems involving localizing and money grubbing attitudes by Activision/Blizzard.But don't you get an AM key with your purchase of the SEA server?I know the ping is horrid but atleast its probably better than the TW/KR server!I know quite a few Aus. players that don't lag in NA.
"..it all comes thumbling down thumbling down thumblin down"
Teim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia373 Posts
January 08 2012 23:04 GMT
#48
Eh. I get the same amount of latency on both SEA and NA servers. I always assumed they just pulled a WoW and put the NA and the SEA servers in the same place.
A duck is a duck!
Thoramas
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore152 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 23:18:18
January 08 2012 23:16 GMT
#49
For the Australians comparing ping to SEA and NA, your point is moot if you don't post which part of Australia your in, cause Western Aus has better ping to Singapore and Eastern Aus has better ping to NA.

It also depends on if your ISP is using the Perth-Singapore line or routing through Japan. I don't remember which ISPs do and don't but my friends across Aus (whom I used to raid with in WoW) have done the checks and comparisons before between SEA and NA servers.

edit: I would imagine if your ISP routes through Japan then your best ping would come from TW/KR server.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 23:51:31
January 08 2012 23:45 GMT
#50
On January 09 2012 04:21 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
and are currently in the process of a multi-million dollar scheme to make our internet as fast as koreas


Yeah.... no


What would you know?
You are from the UK.
The standard connection in AUS will be at least 50/50Mbps, and the more expensive one 100/100.
Sure, maybe no Korean speeds, but it is a huge upgrade from 20down/1up being a "high speed connection"
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 23:47 GMT
#51
On January 09 2012 05:29 Subversive wrote:
I play SEA and NA and unless things have changed a lot in the last month, I never had any trouble finding games on SEA. At worst I've run into the same people 2-3 times in a session, but that's no big thing at all. I didn't have any trouble finding games when I was gold either. Granted it was a little bit back, but I find it hard to believe its that barren now.

As for competitiveness I don't find NA harder whatsoever.

I ran into the same player 5 times in a row a few days ago.
It was sad because those 5 games where his placement matches.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 23:48 GMT
#52
On January 09 2012 07:17 mrafaeldie12 wrote:
This blog is interesting,it pin points one of the greatest problems involving localizing and money grubbing attitudes by Activision/Blizzard.But don't you get an AM key with your purchase of the SEA server?I know the ping is horrid but atleast its probably better than the TW/KR server!I know quite a few Aus. players that don't lag in NA.

Yes I get access to america, but for whatever reason, i get 250-300ms on the NA server, and i only have 19-40ms on the TW/KR server.
The choice is obvious.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 23:50:36
January 08 2012 23:50 GMT
#53
On January 09 2012 08:16 Thoramas wrote:
For the Australians comparing ping to SEA and NA, your point is moot if you don't post which part of Australia your in, cause Western Aus has better ping to Singapore and Eastern Aus has better ping to NA.

It also depends on if your ISP is using the Perth-Singapore line or routing through Japan. I don't remember which ISPs do and don't but my friends across Aus (whom I used to raid with in WoW) have done the checks and comparisons before between SEA and NA servers.

edit: I would imagine if your ISP routes through Japan then your best ping would come from TW/KR server.


Im sure my ISP routes through japan.
I have 250-300ms to NA and only 19-50ms to TW/KR.
I think its damn obvious which one someone would choose.
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 08 2012 23:54 GMT
#54
On January 09 2012 07:06 PsyChill wrote:
I think MrBGJM you are being a sook. Game wait times are about a minute max 1v1 and ping isn't that bad. I don't think you would find Naniwa complaining that he can't get out of gold on Sea because of his ping and load times lol

I think you dont read anything at all.
because I have clearly stated that this is something I personally come across and is therefore my own problem which I am resolving. No he wouldnt, because he would get placed in at least diamond in the SEA server, one of the reasons being the low pool of players.
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 00:00:48
January 08 2012 23:59 GMT
#55
I play on both NA and SEA. Honestly I get about 500ms if not less lag on the NA server nowhere near 1.5seconds. I am also in Gold and play infrequently but whenever I search I wait no longer than 2 mins and am always against Gold's or Platinum's. I don't know when you're trying to play, maybe your time online is just odd hours.

In relation to the lag, what sort of net do you have?

Edit: I live in Farn North Qld and my net max's out at like 8mbs on a good day
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 09 2012 00:08 GMT
#56
On January 09 2012 08:59 mcmartini wrote:
I play on both NA and SEA. Honestly I get about 500ms if not less lag on the NA server nowhere near 1.5seconds. I am also in Gold and play infrequently but whenever I search I wait no longer than 2 mins and am always against Gold's or Platinum's. I don't know when you're trying to play, maybe your time online is just odd hours.

In relation to the lag, what sort of net do you have?

Edit: I live in Farn North Qld and my net max's out at like 8mbs on a good day


I dont think 5pm-9pm are odd hours for SEA server.
I find it a stretch to think that im the only one who has 2-5 minute queue times or longer.
Its cable internet with 20/1 speeds on a normal day.
I live in sydney, and it seems that it might not be the best place for connection the NA, as I have 2 seconds of delay today.
elliminist
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan121 Posts
January 09 2012 00:17 GMT
#57
Your ping is better than mine on all servers wtf

Are you sure you understand what 'laggy' is?

but if you are getting that ping just drop the whole 'sea is terrible' shit, change servers and move on. We don't need that cynicism in our scene.
Do you think you're really entitled to anything in this world?
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 00:32:02
January 09 2012 00:31 GMT
#58
On January 09 2012 09:08 MrBGJM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 08:59 mcmartini wrote:
I play on both NA and SEA. Honestly I get about 500ms if not less lag on the NA server nowhere near 1.5seconds. I am also in Gold and play infrequently but whenever I search I wait no longer than 2 mins and am always against Gold's or Platinum's. I don't know when you're trying to play, maybe your time online is just odd hours.

In relation to the lag, what sort of net do you have?

Edit: I live in Farn North Qld and my net max's out at like 8mbs on a good day


I dont think 5pm-9pm are odd hours for SEA server.
I find it a stretch to think that im the only one who has 2-5 minute queue times or longer.
Its cable internet with 20/1 speeds on a normal day.
I live in sydney, and it seems that it might not be the best place for connection the NA, as I have 2 seconds of delay today.

I play from about 9pm-1am when I play. Might be better off playing on Korea with delay like that :/
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
January 09 2012 00:43 GMT
#59
On January 09 2012 00:06 MrBGJM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 00:01 youngminii wrote:
On January 08 2012 23:42 MrBGJM wrote:
so im going to jump to the KR ladder, its the closest to the SEA server.

what

What?
It is the closest (by distance) to SEA, I mean technically, Korea IS South East Asia, but its split up for whatever reason, therefore having less delay than NA and EU.

erm
what the fuck

stop doing whatever it is you're doing and do some proper research
lalala
MrBGJM
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia124 Posts
January 09 2012 01:11 GMT
#60
On January 09 2012 09:43 youngminii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 00:06 MrBGJM wrote:
On January 09 2012 00:01 youngminii wrote:
On January 08 2012 23:42 MrBGJM wrote:
so im going to jump to the KR ladder, its the closest to the SEA server.

what

What?
It is the closest (by distance) to SEA, I mean technically, Korea IS South East Asia, but its split up for whatever reason, therefore having less delay than NA and EU.

erm
what the fuck

stop doing whatever it is you're doing and do some proper research


SEA server is located in Singapore, TW/KR server is hosted in Korea.
My internet routes through Japan.
The NA server is on the other freaking side of the world from Japan.
Im sorry, whoever you are, but the latency doesnt lie, 250~300ms to NA
15-50ms to TW/KR.
The same to SEA as TW/KR.

And thus the point of this entire ordeal...Why would I, play on the underpopulated SEA server, when I could just play on the Korean ladder, with no penalty?
You would have to be steadfast stupid not to be able to conclude that.
dotamaster
Profile Joined October 2010
104 Posts
January 12 2012 06:45 GMT
#61
A KR/TW-SEA merge is highly unlikely.

Best solution? Switch to the Korean server.
It's what I did after I saw this guide on reddit:
Korea / TW SC2 Guide
Who shall win the Dota genre wars?
Zealo
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia40 Posts
January 12 2012 07:28 GMT
#62
i can assure you that you are the only non grandmaster who has search times averaging over 20 seconds for 1v1. at any time of day.

SEA has search time problems for people at the very top, and for random team games sometimes. not something a bronze to mid master needs to worry about.
utlanning
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia6 Posts
January 12 2012 07:46 GMT
#63
I don't have any problem with queue times on SEA. I'm rarely waiting over a minute for a game. I also don't have much problem finding decent competition, but that's probably just because I'm terrible.

Anyway, if you don't like SEA you could just play on KR. I'm with iiNet and get the following pings from Melbourne:

KR (kr.battle.net): ~164ms
NA (us.battle.net): ~181ms
CN (cn.battle.net): ~283ms
SEA (sea.battle.net): ~127ms
EU (eu.battle.net): ~377ms

So really if you go with a decent ISP you have a good spread of regions to choose from, including a very reasonable ping to KR which is probably the server you want to be on if you are serious about improving (I'm not) or NA if you couldn't be bothered buying a KR cdkey.
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