• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:53
CEST 02:53
KST 09:53
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers13Maestros of the Game 2 announced62026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Maestros of the Game 2 announced MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Any progamer "explanation" videos like this one? Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [ASL21] Ro16 Group C [ASL21] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1555 users

Why Mario Kart is not an e-sport - Page 2

Blogs > Clbull
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
January 03 2012 21:33 GMT
#21
I would change competitive MK such that the only items are bananas and green shells. In MKDD I used only lightweight carts.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
January 03 2012 21:39 GMT
#22
On January 04 2012 06:13 DJEtterStyle wrote:
1. Terran is by far the easiest race to play. The low level of effort required to be competitive with Terran is a clear imbalance.

2. Fog of war means that StarCraft: Brood War is too luck-based to be an e-sport.

3. StarCraft: Brood War's maps need a total overhaul. Many blatantly favor one race over the other two.


Those are terrible analogies to prove any point lol...

You obviously know that BW has historically been one of the most balanced games ever made, whereas light-weight classes are clearly superior in Mario Cart. Fog of war is equally distributed to both players, whereas items are luck-based and screw over players with advantages. (Can you imagine how long TvT would take if any advantage turned against you?) Many maps do favor one race over another, but there are many statistically balanced maps for competition to thrive on.
Hates Fun🤔
Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
January 03 2012 22:12 GMT
#23
On January 04 2012 06:39 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 06:13 DJEtterStyle wrote:
1. Terran is by far the easiest race to play. The low level of effort required to be competitive with Terran is a clear imbalance.

2. Fog of war means that StarCraft: Brood War is too luck-based to be an e-sport.

3. StarCraft: Brood War's maps need a total overhaul. Many blatantly favor one race over the other two.


Those are terrible analogies to prove any point lol...

You obviously know that BW has historically been one of the most balanced games ever made, whereas light-weight classes are clearly superior in Mario Cart. Fog of war is equally distributed to both players, whereas items are luck-based and screw over players with advantages. (Can you imagine how long TvT would take if any advantage turned against you?) Many maps do favor one race over another, but there are many statistically balanced maps for competition to thrive on.

I'm actually sad knowing that that post was written by someone who was once in charge of the power ranks here on TL
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10705 Posts
January 03 2012 22:12 GMT
#24
Actually... a lot of the smaller characters like toad would get owned by bowser if you controlled him correctly, you can hit the speed boost or just hit the Eee's and slam into him and he will spin out very easily, as will a lot of the other smaller players, so to say the smaller characters are imbalanced when they give you tons of powerups as well on top of the fact that you can SLAM into people with the bigger characters, just makes you flat out wrong. I was really good at Mario Kart 64, I played it for years.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 03 2012 22:16 GMT
#25
The only problem is that it's based on luck. I 100% agree.

Nintendo can make the adjustments however if we don't have that factor where your coming last; how are you gonna catch up now with your bullet bill? Its quite impossible from being 12th to first if there are pro players.

Nintendo should easily be able to nerf some stuff so no problem there though
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
January 03 2012 22:18 GMT
#26
You could make it competitive but Nintendo is a retarded company stuck in his way of doing things.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
January 03 2012 22:20 GMT
#27
On January 04 2012 06:39 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 06:13 DJEtterStyle wrote:
1. Terran is by far the easiest race to play. The low level of effort required to be competitive with Terran is a clear imbalance.

2. Fog of war means that StarCraft: Brood War is too luck-based to be an e-sport.

3. StarCraft: Brood War's maps need a total overhaul. Many blatantly favor one race over the other two.


Those are terrible analogies to prove any point lol...

NO KIDDING?

The point is that trying to discredit any game/sport is idiotic, as are the OP's arguments. Good lord. Read between the lines the tiniest bit.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 03 2012 22:23 GMT
#28
On January 04 2012 07:12 GGzerG wrote:
Actually... a lot of the smaller characters like toad would get owned by bowser if you controlled him correctly, you can hit the speed boost or just hit the Eee's and slam into him and he will spin out very easily, as will a lot of the other smaller players, so to say the smaller characters are imbalanced when they give you tons of powerups as well on top of the fact that you can SLAM into people with the bigger characters, just makes you flat out wrong. I was really good at Mario Kart 64, I played it for years.


You didn't watch the video, did you? With the items, you have a possibility to catch-up, but straight-up driving between two equally good drivers makes Yoshi, Peach and Toad way ahead of Bowser.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 22:25:58
January 03 2012 22:24 GMT
#29
It's designed so that when you play it with friends, the luck component makes it so that it's exciting and not stressful since anyone can win and losing doesn't necessarily make you feel you're inferior to the winner. So people can just sit back and laugh whatever the result is.

It's just not really made for seriously competitive play and that is its STRENGTH. Even if you like something else in your games.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Incognitodies
Profile Joined April 2008
United Kingdom184 Posts
January 03 2012 22:33 GMT
#30
Some factors that determine whether a game can be an esport:
-Size of player base that want to play it competitively
-Support from developers
-Prizes available
-Number of people wanting to watch it being played

The imbalances in the game and amount of luck don't matter much in the equation. As in, they only factor in determining the amount of people that want to play/watch the game. If enough people want to play it competitively and Nintendo had any interest whatsoever in making it an esport, it could be. There is no 'quality control' for esports. Now you may think it would be a crap game for an esport, but that's just your opinion.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 03 2012 22:49 GMT
#31
Your first point is invalid, balance has no relevance on whether something deserves to be called an eSport, pretty much all fighting games have characters that are clearly better than others.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 23:10:07
January 03 2012 23:01 GMT
#32
On January 04 2012 07:20 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 06:39 paper wrote:
On January 04 2012 06:13 DJEtterStyle wrote:
1. Terran is by far the easiest race to play. The low level of effort required to be competitive with Terran is a clear imbalance.

2. Fog of war means that StarCraft: Brood War is too luck-based to be an e-sport.

3. StarCraft: Brood War's maps need a total overhaul. Many blatantly favor one race over the other two.


Those are terrible analogies to prove any point lol...

NO KIDDING?

The point is that trying to discredit any game/sport is idiotic, as are the OP's arguments. Good lord. Read between the lines the tiniest bit.


Are you kidding me?

Maybe next time you try to undermine someone's assertion that shitty game A isn't competitive, you don't use the premier e-sport and instead use shitty game B that actually is competitive. Making senseless claims when the OP is using straight facts is ridiculous. Use your head the tiniest bit.

l

o

l
Hates Fun🤔
Fortissimo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada145 Posts
January 03 2012 23:03 GMT
#33
From what I understand, Kart Rider/Pop kart/whatever has esports events in China and South Korea and its kind of like Mario Kart cept Speed Format brings the game into a "better" more "skill based" format.
dongmydrum
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States139 Posts
January 03 2012 23:43 GMT
#34
On January 04 2012 08:03 Fortissimo wrote:
From what I understand, Kart Rider/Pop kart/whatever has esports events in China and South Korea and its kind of like Mario Kart cept Speed Format brings the game into a "better" more "skill based" format.

Yup, but they had to minimize the extend of luck in gameplay ( no items in competitive tournaments ) so its less like mario cart and more like any other racing games.
Humanfails
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
224 Posts
January 03 2012 23:45 GMT
#35
I think what the OP is doing is try to introduce concepts and groundwork to a rational discussion of what it takes to balance and design a game and its gameplay well, without invoking sc2, so that people can discuss and learn without being flaming tards who go "RACE X IMBA!" and getting the blog closed.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 04 2012 00:11 GMT
#36
Poker is not a sport either. It is luck-based.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
January 04 2012 00:19 GMT
#37
Diddy Kong Racing was the best racing game EVER

we should make that into an esport (except no planes except on only plane stages. imba imba imba)
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
January 04 2012 01:07 GMT
#38
There are many things in BW that are not 'absolute',

Certain projectile weapons can miss.
Scarabs can miss.
High ground advantage; chance to miss.
Even trees provide chance to miss.

read more here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116142
starleague forever
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
January 04 2012 02:07 GMT
#39
what a narrow mindedview you have. If you dont think mariokart cannot be a competitive racing game then you probably havent tried getting on the time triaks leaderboards.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
January 04 2012 02:10 GMT
#40
What? Last I checked, ROB is the single heaviest character in MKDS.
Translator:3
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
00:00
#78
PiGStarcraft502
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft502
ProTech131
MaxPax 72
ROOTCatZ 56
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15236
GuemChi 4167
Artosis 688
NaDa 16
Dota 2
monkeys_forever652
Counter-Strike
minikerr18
Other Games
summit1g11106
tarik_tv5611
C9.Mang0633
shahzam412
ViBE171
Trikslyr164
Maynarde123
ToD114
Mew2King35
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1685
BasetradeTV344
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 53
• RyuSc2 35
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
9h 7m
Replay Cast
23h 7m
The PondCast
1d 9h
KCM Race Survival
1d 9h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 10h
Gerald vs TBD
Clem vs TBD
ByuN vs TBD
Rogue vs MaxPax
ShoWTimE vs TBD
OSC
1d 14h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 23h
Escore
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
[ Show More ]
Universe Titan Cup
3 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Ladder Legends
4 days
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Soma vs TBD
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
TBD vs YSC
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-20
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.