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julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
January 03 2012 21:33 GMT
#21
I would change competitive MK such that the only items are bananas and green shells. In MKDD I used only lightweight carts.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
January 03 2012 21:39 GMT
#22
On January 04 2012 06:13 DJEtterStyle wrote:
1. Terran is by far the easiest race to play. The low level of effort required to be competitive with Terran is a clear imbalance.

2. Fog of war means that StarCraft: Brood War is too luck-based to be an e-sport.

3. StarCraft: Brood War's maps need a total overhaul. Many blatantly favor one race over the other two.


Those are terrible analogies to prove any point lol...

You obviously know that BW has historically been one of the most balanced games ever made, whereas light-weight classes are clearly superior in Mario Cart. Fog of war is equally distributed to both players, whereas items are luck-based and screw over players with advantages. (Can you imagine how long TvT would take if any advantage turned against you?) Many maps do favor one race over another, but there are many statistically balanced maps for competition to thrive on.
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Masamune
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada3401 Posts
January 03 2012 22:12 GMT
#23
On January 04 2012 06:39 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 06:13 DJEtterStyle wrote:
1. Terran is by far the easiest race to play. The low level of effort required to be competitive with Terran is a clear imbalance.

2. Fog of war means that StarCraft: Brood War is too luck-based to be an e-sport.

3. StarCraft: Brood War's maps need a total overhaul. Many blatantly favor one race over the other two.


Those are terrible analogies to prove any point lol...

You obviously know that BW has historically been one of the most balanced games ever made, whereas light-weight classes are clearly superior in Mario Cart. Fog of war is equally distributed to both players, whereas items are luck-based and screw over players with advantages. (Can you imagine how long TvT would take if any advantage turned against you?) Many maps do favor one race over another, but there are many statistically balanced maps for competition to thrive on.

I'm actually sad knowing that that post was written by someone who was once in charge of the power ranks here on TL
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10686 Posts
January 03 2012 22:12 GMT
#24
Actually... a lot of the smaller characters like toad would get owned by bowser if you controlled him correctly, you can hit the speed boost or just hit the Eee's and slam into him and he will spin out very easily, as will a lot of the other smaller players, so to say the smaller characters are imbalanced when they give you tons of powerups as well on top of the fact that you can SLAM into people with the bigger characters, just makes you flat out wrong. I was really good at Mario Kart 64, I played it for years.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 03 2012 22:16 GMT
#25
The only problem is that it's based on luck. I 100% agree.

Nintendo can make the adjustments however if we don't have that factor where your coming last; how are you gonna catch up now with your bullet bill? Its quite impossible from being 12th to first if there are pro players.

Nintendo should easily be able to nerf some stuff so no problem there though
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
January 03 2012 22:18 GMT
#26
You could make it competitive but Nintendo is a retarded company stuck in his way of doing things.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
January 03 2012 22:20 GMT
#27
On January 04 2012 06:39 paper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 06:13 DJEtterStyle wrote:
1. Terran is by far the easiest race to play. The low level of effort required to be competitive with Terran is a clear imbalance.

2. Fog of war means that StarCraft: Brood War is too luck-based to be an e-sport.

3. StarCraft: Brood War's maps need a total overhaul. Many blatantly favor one race over the other two.


Those are terrible analogies to prove any point lol...

NO KIDDING?

The point is that trying to discredit any game/sport is idiotic, as are the OP's arguments. Good lord. Read between the lines the tiniest bit.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 03 2012 22:23 GMT
#28
On January 04 2012 07:12 GGzerG wrote:
Actually... a lot of the smaller characters like toad would get owned by bowser if you controlled him correctly, you can hit the speed boost or just hit the Eee's and slam into him and he will spin out very easily, as will a lot of the other smaller players, so to say the smaller characters are imbalanced when they give you tons of powerups as well on top of the fact that you can SLAM into people with the bigger characters, just makes you flat out wrong. I was really good at Mario Kart 64, I played it for years.


You didn't watch the video, did you? With the items, you have a possibility to catch-up, but straight-up driving between two equally good drivers makes Yoshi, Peach and Toad way ahead of Bowser.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 22:25:58
January 03 2012 22:24 GMT
#29
It's designed so that when you play it with friends, the luck component makes it so that it's exciting and not stressful since anyone can win and losing doesn't necessarily make you feel you're inferior to the winner. So people can just sit back and laugh whatever the result is.

It's just not really made for seriously competitive play and that is its STRENGTH. Even if you like something else in your games.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Incognitodies
Profile Joined April 2008
United Kingdom184 Posts
January 03 2012 22:33 GMT
#30
Some factors that determine whether a game can be an esport:
-Size of player base that want to play it competitively
-Support from developers
-Prizes available
-Number of people wanting to watch it being played

The imbalances in the game and amount of luck don't matter much in the equation. As in, they only factor in determining the amount of people that want to play/watch the game. If enough people want to play it competitively and Nintendo had any interest whatsoever in making it an esport, it could be. There is no 'quality control' for esports. Now you may think it would be a crap game for an esport, but that's just your opinion.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 03 2012 22:49 GMT
#31
Your first point is invalid, balance has no relevance on whether something deserves to be called an eSport, pretty much all fighting games have characters that are clearly better than others.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-03 23:10:07
January 03 2012 23:01 GMT
#32
On January 04 2012 07:20 DJEtterStyle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 06:39 paper wrote:
On January 04 2012 06:13 DJEtterStyle wrote:
1. Terran is by far the easiest race to play. The low level of effort required to be competitive with Terran is a clear imbalance.

2. Fog of war means that StarCraft: Brood War is too luck-based to be an e-sport.

3. StarCraft: Brood War's maps need a total overhaul. Many blatantly favor one race over the other two.


Those are terrible analogies to prove any point lol...

NO KIDDING?

The point is that trying to discredit any game/sport is idiotic, as are the OP's arguments. Good lord. Read between the lines the tiniest bit.


Are you kidding me?

Maybe next time you try to undermine someone's assertion that shitty game A isn't competitive, you don't use the premier e-sport and instead use shitty game B that actually is competitive. Making senseless claims when the OP is using straight facts is ridiculous. Use your head the tiniest bit.

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Fortissimo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada145 Posts
January 03 2012 23:03 GMT
#33
From what I understand, Kart Rider/Pop kart/whatever has esports events in China and South Korea and its kind of like Mario Kart cept Speed Format brings the game into a "better" more "skill based" format.
dongmydrum
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States139 Posts
January 03 2012 23:43 GMT
#34
On January 04 2012 08:03 Fortissimo wrote:
From what I understand, Kart Rider/Pop kart/whatever has esports events in China and South Korea and its kind of like Mario Kart cept Speed Format brings the game into a "better" more "skill based" format.

Yup, but they had to minimize the extend of luck in gameplay ( no items in competitive tournaments ) so its less like mario cart and more like any other racing games.
Humanfails
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
224 Posts
January 03 2012 23:45 GMT
#35
I think what the OP is doing is try to introduce concepts and groundwork to a rational discussion of what it takes to balance and design a game and its gameplay well, without invoking sc2, so that people can discuss and learn without being flaming tards who go "RACE X IMBA!" and getting the blog closed.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 04 2012 00:11 GMT
#36
Poker is not a sport either. It is luck-based.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
January 04 2012 00:19 GMT
#37
Diddy Kong Racing was the best racing game EVER

we should make that into an esport (except no planes except on only plane stages. imba imba imba)
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
January 04 2012 01:07 GMT
#38
There are many things in BW that are not 'absolute',

Certain projectile weapons can miss.
Scarabs can miss.
High ground advantage; chance to miss.
Even trees provide chance to miss.

read more here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116142
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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
January 04 2012 02:07 GMT
#39
what a narrow mindedview you have. If you dont think mariokart cannot be a competitive racing game then you probably havent tried getting on the time triaks leaderboards.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
January 04 2012 02:10 GMT
#40
What? Last I checked, ROB is the single heaviest character in MKDS.
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