My Girlfriend is a Creationist - Page 8

On December 28 2011 17:03 Fishgle wrote:
yo OP, start by agreeing with her that evolution is false, this will ward off cheese and lend you opponent unable to finish the game quickly, before you can carry out your long term game plan. transition into agreeing that evolution is just a theory. From there, expand into the safe "Nothing really has a thorough explanation" midgame composition, defending from harass with a few "this is the evidence i have," while being wary of word bending.

Whether you choose to have a Pasta, InvisiBrony, or Russel Teapot based army is your choice. But you must use one of those. The Agnostic vs Creationist matchup relies heavily upon those, but don't overmake them and transition out quickly or your whole game will be hardcountered and you'll throw away a won game.

Lategame is very dependent upon your opponents composition. Sometimes, as with checkers, tic ta toe, and my mother, the only possible way to win is by forcing a tie. :: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_in_biology_makes_sense_except_in_the_light_of_evolution

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On December 28 2011 23:43 adwodon wrote:


I disagree, as a physicist I am a 'logical' person and I know lots of logical people.
One of the smartest can't cook, he can make bacon sandwiches and that's about it. Now to me, that makes no sense, we eat every day, we enjoy it, cooking is a social thing, its relaxing and you feel accomplished, I think not learning to cook is obstinate and foolish (I don't really but for the sake of argument...).
Does that undermine everything else my friend does? Is he suddenly now not worthy of respect?

Of course the answer is no, the reason being, there is only so much we can do or care about. I imagine for this girl, she grew up in a religious community, was taught what she thinks, doesn't care much about it and isn't a scientific person (they do exist, in fact most people really don't care about science) so didn't bother questioning it because she had other things on her mind and had other priorities. I'm sure if she moved into an environment where it was suddenly imperative that she explore these things more she would change her mind, but someones opinion on science doesn't matter, as I said, shes no activist, that would be very different and I would have trouble respecting someone who was passionate about an ill informed opinion.

I learned a long time ago that we all have our own standards, and one of the things that pains me most about peoples problems with each other is they almost always stem from conflicting standards.

I would say to you, that you need to learn to respect people with different standards, as right now you aren't as open minded as you might believe, as presumably an atheist you surely don't believe in any kind of fundamental reason for your being here, so why does it matter that this girl thinks what she does on this one subject? I think its too easy to pick faults in people, remember you have just as many, I'm sure I could find many in you, and you many in me, but I think its important to focus more on the positives in people, and that is where I learn to respect people, from what they are passionate about, from what they focus on, not what I am passionate about or what I focus on, because otherwise, I would barely respect anyone and that would be too lonely an existence for me to what to contemplate.

On December 29 2011 02:57 TG Manny wrote:
Something interesting to note is that Evolution doesn't go against Creationism.

Evolution simply states that organisms choose what are the best traits to survive in their particular conditions. That does not work backward into "everything was the same type of organism". Creation simply states that everything was created by God, with no specific statement that he created X, Y, or Z. In a religiously sound scientific theory (lolz) on evolution, God created the arch beings and evolution created the rest. (So, wrong but simple explanation, god creates monkeys and several different kinds like guerillas, chimpanzees, and neaderthals evolve from the archtype.)

On a different track, when you have to tell your girlfriend that not everything in the bible is 100% real and true, quote Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Two accounts of creation, one of the heavens, earth, water, etc. over six days +1 for rest and one of the Garden of Eden. These two are mutually exclusive and because mainstream bible accepts them the bible is not 100% fact. Old testament were prehistory stories handed down and skewed by various tellers of the tale, Jesus actions teach different messages than on first glance, etc. etc.
(Note: This isn't an argument against religion, it is an argument against why the bible should not be taken literally or out of context.)

Should you want to make peace with her Creationism you may want to explain how it is compatible with science. That is one of the most misunderstood things about religion in general, unfortunately.

On December 28 2011 23:28 Teoita wrote:


You are taking it too far. Believing in religion isn't necessarily bad or stupid (this coming from an atheist), it's just some people feel it's necessary for them. The education one receives as a child also has a huge impact. Creationism on the other hand is just taking things too far. Science and religion have NOTHING to do with each other, and they never should.

On topic, i think it would bother me a lot. I could definitely not have a very serious story with her, but that's personal. If it's not too serious for both of you and it doesn't bother you that much, i say go ahead with it, but if either one of you looks for a more long-term relationship it could be troublesome.

Believing in God can be rationally justifiable. I'm ok with her faith.

On December 29 2011 02:49 metbull wrote:
Sure, link her to sites that support evolution, and link her to sites that refute evolution. There are a lot of scientists that are very pro evolution and a lot of scientists that don't accept it. If you want to persuade someone properly you have to know the arguments of the other side to properly "shoot them down." Otherwise it ends up coming out like "I'm right and your wrong, just because!"

On December 29 2011 06:07 JohnBall wrote:
Sorry but this part is wrong. No true scientist will be against evolution. If you ever see someone calling themselves a scientist and denying evolution, either this person is a genious spousing a brilliant and thorough revolution in biology (not likely) or he's not a real scientist at all (very likely). There is some academic debate about how precisely evolution works, but no one nowadays questions that evolution is a scientificly verified fact. A fact that was observed, tested and experimented many, many times since Darwin.

On December 29 2011 06:17 Lightwip wrote:
4x as many historians believe the Holocaust never happened as biologists that believe evolution never happened.