EPTMy Girlfriend is a Creationist - Page 7
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Enki
United States2548 Posts
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
Does it really matter to either of you? Are you one of those people that are constantly annoyed by people being "wrong" and refusing to change? Is she someone that will try and cram it down your throat later? If the answer to any of those is "yes", then you should try and persuade her. If not, who really gives a crap. My girlfriend could literally believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and I wouldn't really give a crap, as long as it doesn't end up affecting me personally. If it's not hurting her, and it's not hurting me, why give a crap? | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On December 28 2011 23:20 Sm3agol wrote: Here's the way I look at it. Does it really matter to either of you? Are you one of those people that are constantly annoyed by people being "wrong" and refusing to change? Is she someone that will try and cram it down your throat later? If the answer to any of those is "yes", then you should try and persuade her. If not, who really gives a crap. My girlfriend could literally believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and I wouldn't really give a crap, as long as it doesn't end up affecting me personally. If it's not hurting her, and it's not hurting me, why give a crap? It's only hurting the entire progress of the modern world. I could not stand to be in a relationship with someone so stupid who is unable to believe facts. If someone is dumb enough to believe in a god, what other insane things could they do in the future to ruin your relationship? | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On December 28 2011 23:22 Odal wrote: It's only hurting the entire progress of the modern world. I could not stand to be in a relationship with someone so stupid who is unable to believe facts. If someone is dumb enough to believe in a god, what other insane things could they do in the future to ruin your relationship? You are taking it too far. Believing in religion isn't necessarily bad or stupid (this coming from an atheist), it's just some people feel it's necessary for them. The education one receives as a child also has a huge impact. Creationism on the other hand is just taking things too far. Science and religion have NOTHING to do with each other, and they never should. On topic, i think it would bother me a lot. I could definitely not have a very serious story with her, but that's personal. If it's not too serious for both of you and it doesn't bother you that much, i say go ahead with it, but if either one of you looks for a more long-term relationship it could be troublesome. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On December 28 2011 23:22 Odal wrote: It's only hurting the entire progress of the modern world. I could not stand to be in a relationship with someone so stupid who is unable to believe facts. If someone is dumb enough to believe in a god, what other insane things could they do in the future to ruin your relationship? Using religion as a metric of the intelligence is as dumb as believing in creationism in the first place. Saying they believe in God therefore are more likely to do something dumb just shows your own ignorant bias. People do stupid and horrible things regardless of religious beliefs, especially in relationships. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
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Celestia
Mexico376 Posts
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adwodon
United Kingdom592 Posts
On December 28 2011 21:13 Jibba wrote: Because there's an issue of respect and it's difficult, if not impossible, to be in a relationship with someone who you don't respect. Holding such an elementary view, I would have difficulty respecting someone like that. This is one of the most extreme cases of faith against logic, where faith refutes what has been logically observed and proven, unlike other issues where there is simply a lack of evidence. It's just being obstinate and foolish. I disagree, as a physicist I am a 'logical' person and I know lots of logical people. One of the smartest can't cook, he can make bacon sandwiches and that's about it. Now to me, that makes no sense, we eat every day, we enjoy it, cooking is a social thing, its relaxing and you feel accomplished, I think not learning to cook is obstinate and foolish (I don't really but for the sake of argument...). Does that undermine everything else my friend does? Is he suddenly now not worthy of respect? Of course the answer is no, the reason being, there is only so much we can do or care about. I imagine for this girl, she grew up in a religious community, was taught what she thinks, doesn't care much about it and isn't a scientific person (they do exist, in fact most people really don't care about science) so didn't bother questioning it because she had other things on her mind and had other priorities. I'm sure if she moved into an environment where it was suddenly imperative that she explore these things more she would change her mind, but someones opinion on science doesn't matter, as I said, shes no activist, that would be very different and I would have trouble respecting someone who was passionate about an ill informed opinion. I learned a long time ago that we all have our own standards, and one of the things that pains me most about peoples problems with each other is they almost always stem from conflicting standards. I would say to you, that you need to learn to respect people with different standards, as right now you aren't as open minded as you might believe, as presumably an atheist you surely don't believe in any kind of fundamental reason for your being here, so why does it matter that this girl thinks what she does on this one subject? I think its too easy to pick faults in people, remember you have just as many, I'm sure I could find many in you, and you many in me, but I think its important to focus more on the positives in people, and that is where I learn to respect people, from what they are passionate about, from what they focus on, not what I am passionate about or what I focus on, because otherwise, I would barely respect anyone and that would be too lonely an existence for me to what to contemplate. | ||
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bre1010
71 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On December 28 2011 23:43 adwodon wrote: I disagree, as a physicist I am a 'logical' person and I know lots of logical people. One of the smartest can't cook, he can make bacon sandwiches and that's about it. Now to me, that makes no sense, we eat every day, we enjoy it, cooking is a social thing, its relaxing and you feel accomplished, I think not learning to cook is obstinate and foolish (I don't really but for the sake of argument...). Does that undermine everything else my friend does? Is he suddenly now not worthy of respect? Of course the answer is no, the reason being, there is only so much we can do or care about. I imagine for this girl, she grew up in a religious community, was taught what she thinks, doesn't care much about it and isn't a scientific person (they do exist, in fact most people really don't care about science) so didn't bother questioning it because she had other things on her mind and had other priorities. I'm sure if she moved into an environment where it was suddenly imperative that she explore these things more she would change her mind, but someones opinion on science doesn't matter, as I said, shes no activist, that would be very different and I would have trouble respecting someone who was passionate about an ill informed opinion. I learned a long time ago that we all have our own standards, and one of the things that pains me most about peoples problems with each other is they almost always stem from conflicting standards. I would say to you, that you need to learn to respect people with different standards, as right now you aren't as open minded as you might believe, as presumably an atheist you surely don't believe in any kind of fundamental reason for your being here, so why does it matter that this girl thinks what she does on this one subject? I think its too easy to pick faults in people, remember you have just as many, I'm sure I could find many in you, and you many in me, but I think its important to focus more on the positives in people, and that is where I learn to respect people, from what they are passionate about, from what they focus on, not what I am passionate about or what I focus on, because otherwise, I would barely respect anyone and that would be too lonely an existence for me to what to contemplate. There's a big difference in not respecting someone for being generally religious, which I don't believe Jibba said, and not respecting them for believing in something specific that has a large amount of evidence against it. It'd be like me saying 'The Moon is made of cheese' and expecting everyone to not think I'm a loon. | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
If she's just a girlfriend and you don't really plan much for the future, then screw it. Enjoy the time you have with her, and don't screw it up with silly phisolophical discussions. It'll end naturally soon enough anyhow. If you do have deep feelings for this girl and want to make something serious out of it, then look at it this way - does her views of the world, through her religious view, go against yours, or contradict important parts of yours? Would this be a source of conflict, tension or stress? Would you want your children brought up with her belief or yours? If it's an issue for you that her religious (and with it probably, her political view and general worldview) conflicts with your interpretation of reality, and you want to convince her, try asking her about the basis of her belief. If she's a logical person, she might come to realise that the basis of her worldview is not reason, and she might change in time. Chances are she will not, though. If her worldview is important to you and she doesn't seem to want change, don't push for it - just leave her. | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
Study maths and physics together. The etique of science (physics) and strict approach in maths should force a person to think differently at least. I think that a lot of disrespect toward scientific theories come from being ignorant of them. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
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chaosfreak11
Singapore367 Posts
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aminoashley
105 Posts
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Cubu
1171 Posts
Jokes But srsly this op feels like troll. I mean its just somthing dat u can agree to disagree well if u r srs then just dont worry bout it ots no harm | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On December 28 2011 23:22 Odal wrote: It's only hurting the entire progress of the modern world. I could not stand to be in a relationship with someone so stupid who is unable to believe facts. If someone is dumb enough to believe in a god, what other insane things could they do in the future to ruin your relationship? Really? You certainly sound like an individual I would want to be around. Believing in God = does insane things now? I'm sure all the geniuses in history that were firm believers in god were just borderline insane, stupid, and dumb? | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
Please never have children with her so her creationist beliefs don't spread further. | ||
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Aladdin
United Kingdom17 Posts
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
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