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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 28 2011 21:25 GMT
#161
This is one of those choices every human being has to make. Do I seek a partner who I can take advantage of because that partner is incredibly stupid, or do I seek a partner who is intelligent but I may actually have to respect.

Personally I find the latter more attractive, but a lifetime of socialization leads many men to thinking they should be more intelligent than their woman, or that intelligence isn't that important of a quality. Evolution doesn't necessarily explain everything, but to deny it outright indicates a lack of thought.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
December 28 2011 22:05 GMT
#162
Unless you are studying theology and want to be a church pastor (or the complete opposite thereof), I do not see the point in arguing about such things with your significant other; anyone can choose to believe in anything they wish. You can, however, share your thoughts on the subject, but try not to turn it into a religious debate (even at the cost of having to pretend that it is not a big deal to you).
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
December 28 2011 23:58 GMT
#163
If she's not stupid as you say, just let it slide I suppose. Especially because trying to convince her would be like walking into a minefield of potential arguments.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
December 29 2011 01:52 GMT
#164
if you're looking for marriage material, talk it out and find out how tolerable each side is

if you're looking to just have fun, there's no need to create drama
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
December 29 2011 21:02 GMT
#165
So I talked with her about it and she said that she just wanted me to give her a good argument.

I told her my deist beliefs, how God was less watcher and more clockmaker, who first created the laws and logic of the world and then allowed it to flourish and become beautiful.

Her most recent text: "I guess that's a more valid argument. You win!"

:D
ted cruz is the zodiac killer
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 29 2011 21:18 GMT
#166
Lucky you. Glad she was willing to listen to you.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
December 29 2011 21:23 GMT
#167
So basically, you spoke smugly about her creationism when you retreat into natural theology and commit a similar sort of logic.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
December 29 2011 21:27 GMT
#168
On December 30 2011 06:02 YoureFired wrote:I told her my deist beliefs, how God was less watcher and more clockmaker, who first created the laws and logic of the world and then allowed it to flourish and become beautiful.

Her most recent text: "I guess that's a more valid argument. You win!"

Oh dear, when did explanations of a belief become arguments...
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 29 2011 21:38 GMT
#169
Pffft if it works it works. Good for you op.
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
December 31 2011 07:59 GMT
#170
On December 30 2011 06:27 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 06:02 YoureFired wrote:I told her my deist beliefs, how God was less watcher and more clockmaker, who first created the laws and logic of the world and then allowed it to flourish and become beautiful.

Her most recent text: "I guess that's a more valid argument. You win!"

Oh dear, when did explanations of a belief become arguments...

Creationism vs Evolution debates are easy when the person on the other side of the table is just a random. It's a lot easier to just accept victory on any terms when they're your girlfriend :3
ted cruz is the zodiac killer
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 31 2011 08:17 GMT
#171
On December 28 2011 17:04 dronebabo wrote:
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On December 28 2011 16:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Sorry but I certainly did not imply that, least not intentionally, and do not see how it is wrong to say it is a belief. In terms of science, evolution is a theory, because it cannot be proven for every single case in the existence of the universe, because obviously that would be ridiculous. If it's not proven, then it is a theory, meaning that even though it is well established and there is a lot of evidence, there is still a chance, no matter how small, that it is wrong. Therefore, you believe in a theory.

this is so wrong


Believe it or not everything he said is correct. The most annoying thing about these kinds of debates is people who "believe" in evolution but don't actually know anything about the epistemology behind science.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
December 31 2011 14:30 GMT
#172
On December 30 2011 06:02 YoureFired wrote:
So I talked with her about it and she said that she just wanted me to give her a good argument.

I told her my deist beliefs, how God was less watcher and more clockmaker, who first created the laws and logic of the world and then allowed it to flourish and become beautiful.

Her most recent text: "I guess that's a more valid argument. You win!"

:D
Glad to hear that.

If I were in the same situation, it would depend. I wouldn't want to have kids with someone who would teach them lies and to distrust science. If my partner would keep religion to herself (which is how it should be), then I would be fine with it.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 31 2011 14:38 GMT
#173
On December 31 2011 17:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 17:04 dronebabo wrote:
On December 28 2011 16:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Sorry but I certainly did not imply that, least not intentionally, and do not see how it is wrong to say it is a belief. In terms of science, evolution is a theory, because it cannot be proven for every single case in the existence of the universe, because obviously that would be ridiculous. If it's not proven, then it is a theory, meaning that even though it is well established and there is a lot of evidence, there is still a chance, no matter how small, that it is wrong. Therefore, you believe in a theory.

this is so wrong


Believe it or not everything he said is correct. The most annoying thing about these kinds of debates is people who "believe" in evolution but don't actually know anything about the epistemology behind science.


The sad thing is that if evolution is just a theory then creationism is just a hypothesis. So calling evolution out for being "just a theory" is pointless. Of course, that doesn't really matter because most arguments for Creationism are so full of logical fallacies and plain nonsense that pointing this out doesn't help.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
December 31 2011 15:18 GMT
#174
On December 30 2011 06:02 YoureFired wrote:
So I talked with her about it and she said that she just wanted me to give her a good argument.

I told her my deist beliefs, how God was less watcher and more clockmaker, who first created the laws and logic of the world and then allowed it to flourish and become beautiful.

Her most recent text: "I guess that's a more valid argument. You win!"

:D


You found one of the good ones brother, fuck her brains out.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 18:55:01
December 31 2011 18:40 GMT
#175
On December 28 2011 16:08 YoureFired wrote:
So earlier today I had watched an interesting TED lecture about dangerous memes by Dan Dennett (if you have a chance, watch it; it's mind blowing). I was going to discuss this with my girlfriend on the car ride home from hanging out at my house when she all of a sudden said "but evolution is a bunch of crap..."

This was a bit of a shocker for me. I knew she had very very religious parents, but she had always said that she got annoyed by their proselytizing and rarely went to church. She's definitely not stupid either, she's a good student at school too. I tried to explain to her the evidence behind evolution and how the entire scientific community plus a majority of the educated world accepts the truths behind evolution. However, I stopped myself because I realized that this was one of those things that I might not be able to change, because she said that she'd been taught since she could barely talk that God created the Earth 6000 years ago, and that organisms don't change over time.

Now here's the question: should I forget it and leave it be (I'm leaning towards this now because, just like arguing religion, I doubt I'll be able to change her mind) or try to show her evidence and persuade her, but risk getting into a fight (please provide some good websites for evidence if you choose this)

Poll: What should I do?

Let it be; keep getting head (109)
 
56%

Persuade her, c'mon she'll listen to you! (86)
 
44%

195 total votes

Your vote: What should I do?

(Vote): Let it be; keep getting head
(Vote): Persuade her, c'mon she'll listen to you!



I can overlook it but it still bothers me that someone who I love just refuses to accept something that has been accepted as truth by the scientific community.



Oh the misconceptions people have, "It's okay if she makes with the head!"

A blow job is oral sex yet many are unaware of this. Sex education meet religion.

I've known many Catholic school girls and religious nuts who share this belief. The ones I've known loved giving head and didn't know any better. Completely oblivious to the fact that giving head is sex. "I did no wrong!" Sure you didn't. As it isn't part of your beliefs!

Anyway, from experience it's never really worked out and its best to avoid discussion about religion. If you've been with her long enough the parents and relatives will most likely pull the card on you.

Never worked out for me and I avoid those debates like white on rice because no one wins.

Faith and religion is a touchy subject here and everywhere else. If they are diehards well let's just say you have your back up against the wall right from the beginning. In many cases its one of the most important things to them.

It is what it is.

Like I said earlier, if your dick is receiving the treatment. It's still sex and she like many others are totally oblivious to it. Now that would be a funny conversation with her.

Glad it worked out for you thus far. You stuck to your beliefs and it's what makes you you. If she or anyone else cannot accept it then they don't fit into your equation.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 31 2011 19:01 GMT
#176
On December 31 2011 23:38 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2011 17:17 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On December 28 2011 17:04 dronebabo wrote:
On December 28 2011 16:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Sorry but I certainly did not imply that, least not intentionally, and do not see how it is wrong to say it is a belief. In terms of science, evolution is a theory, because it cannot be proven for every single case in the existence of the universe, because obviously that would be ridiculous. If it's not proven, then it is a theory, meaning that even though it is well established and there is a lot of evidence, there is still a chance, no matter how small, that it is wrong. Therefore, you believe in a theory.

this is so wrong


Believe it or not everything he said is correct. The most annoying thing about these kinds of debates is people who "believe" in evolution but don't actually know anything about the epistemology behind science.


The sad thing is that if evolution is just a theory then creationism is just a hypothesis. So calling evolution out for being "just a theory" is pointless. Of course, that doesn't really matter because most arguments for Creationism are so full of logical fallacies and plain nonsense that pointing this out doesn't help.


there's nothing demeaning about calling evolution a theory
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 19:38:09
December 31 2011 19:37 GMT
#177
Why don't you do some research on the subject of creationism yourself. I'm sure you're no expert and it sounds like you're blindly siding with "science" much like you assume she blindly sides with her teachings she heard since she was 8.

I grew up in a really religious family too, though I'm Agnostic. Don't be so quick to judge and trusting in what other people say. Go experience and figure things out for yourself with an open mind, and then make your own conclusions.

Edit: typo
insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-31 23:32:29
December 31 2011 23:28 GMT
#178
Ha, you got lied , she chose to avoid conflict unlike you.

women hate losing, they dont just say "oh i guess you win" when they are defeated, lol. no way in this universe a woman would say that and mean it.
ZenobiaTalon
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada35 Posts
December 31 2011 23:39 GMT
#179
I think you should be respectful of her beliefs, but if the two of you don't mesh well on a fundamental level then sometimes you have to move on to someone with a belief system that is less radically opposed to your own. Personally I don't see how anyone can thin evolution is crap, but if you try and change her religious beliefs chances are it won't end well.

Also... how long have you known this girl if you're only finding out now that she's such a firm creationist? Seems to me you either don't know her very well, or you haven't been dating for very long so why not get out before you develop any stronger emotional attachment? Sorry if that sounded too logical, but that's how I think about this sort of thing.

Good luck!
Que Sera Sera
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
December 31 2011 23:48 GMT
#180
I'm not you, but I think that a person isn't just a creationist. Rejection of evolution is also rejection of the though process behind it, and I'm not sure I could date a person who didn't agree with philosophy or the scientific method. Either they've thought about it a lot, and they're dumb, or they haven't thought about it a lot, which means they share different values than me. Either way, we're incompatible.

I'll end this post like I started it. I'm not you, so if you care less about science or logic or any of that shit, then stay with her. If it's important to you to be dating a girl who thinks seriously about life then persuade her or break up with her. Just my 2 cents.
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