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On December 27 2011 08:01 epb1982 wrote:
''Sigh... I hate to touch this subject, but Naniwa agreed to the format the moment he entered the tournament. If he dislikes this type of format, he should have rejected the invite. It doesn't matter whether something was at stake or not.
It's okay to dislike the format. It's not okay to do it the way Nani did. Round robin is a perfectly suitable format used everywhere in the world. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a different format, but that's completely irrelevant to this situation.''
Bla Bla, official contract, bla bla, he agreed to the format, bla bla, unproffesional attitude. Why can't GOM just consult the ''rules of the contract/anti-cheat rules''? before rejecting futher participation on code S? The type of format was highly unconventional, I never saw the format in SC2 tourney's. And now I know why! You defend the ppl in charge of the format plus think that the last word has been spoken about this subject, both I think are ignorant. I hate to touch this subject, but mordk seems like a good guy on other topics then this one.
LOL... you give absolutely no arguments as to why naniwa was right to do this. I'm disregarding the "it meant nothing" argument, by saying it doesn't matter it doesn't mean anything, because an agreement was made upon entering the tournament. What's your response? Nothing at all, from that post at least hahaha.
I'll even agree that GOM rejected his code S spot based on no rules at all. But my next question is: Do they need any rules? It's their tournament, and they may reject as many invites as they wish, based on pretty much anything they want. What's your answer to this?
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On December 25 2011 22:32 TheSilverfox wrote:
Holy shit, this is awesome!
I would so buy a T-shirt of this!
ME TOO
This is great :D
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Hehe, this is really neat. Great job!
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This is even better than the other one (with nani´s probe marching with him on top with the sword). Amazing.
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Very sick image, SC2 fans are so artistically talented! New background inc
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On December 25 2011 22:17 juked wrote:
Ahaha this is funny. I only think of probe bombs when i see this
Ryan why are you on TL getting first post when your with your whole family, go go talk to grandma lol : ) Any way the picture is very cool and im sad the article didn't end up coming through. Good job tho <3
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Wow that this a great picture. I think i'm going to set it as my background 
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On December 27 2011 13:37 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 08:01 epb1982 wrote:
''Bla Bla, official contract, bla bla, he agreed to the format, bla bla, unproffesional attitude. Why can't GOM just consult the ''rules of the contract/anti-cheat rules''? before rejecting futher participation on code S? The type of format was highly unconventional, I never saw the format in SC2 tourney's. And now I know why! You defend the ppl in charge of the format plus think that the last word has been spoken about this subject, both I think are ignorant. I hate to touch this subject, but mordk seems like a good guy on other topics then this one. LOL... you give absolutely no arguments as to why naniwa was right to do this. I'm disregarding the "it meant nothing" argument, by saying it doesn't matter it doesn't mean anything, because an agreement was made upon entering the tournament. What's your response? Nothing at all, from that post at least hahaha. I'll even agree that GOM rejected his code S spot based on no rules at all. But my next question is: Do they need any rules? It's their tournament, and they may reject as many invites as they wish, based on pretty much anything they want. What's your answer to this?
'' What's your response? Nothing at all, from that post at least hahaha.''
You did notice my post was purely related to the fact whether or nor the format is high risk for frustrating/discouraging games for pro and even viewers (eg it takes time before the next game starts) , i think it is in such extend that someone at GOMtv should argue why it is not. They must go to debate, otherwise I dont trust them judging the foreign players in future tourney's.
I fully empathize with the TC, saying that ppl of GOMtv are ignoring the discussion for unclear reasons (I guess they aren't stupid?).
So that was the only thing i want to clear up, i dont really understand what you think the question is that i should answer? maybe you can clarify that a little bit.
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On December 28 2011 01:44 epb1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:37 mordk wrote:On December 27 2011 08:01 epb1982 wrote:
''Bla Bla, official contract, bla bla, he agreed to the format, bla bla, unproffesional attitude. Why can't GOM just consult the ''rules of the contract/anti-cheat rules''? before rejecting futher participation on code S? The type of format was highly unconventional, I never saw the format in SC2 tourney's. And now I know why! You defend the ppl in charge of the format plus think that the last word has been spoken about this subject, both I think are ignorant. I hate to touch this subject, but mordk seems like a good guy on other topics then this one. LOL... you give absolutely no arguments as to why naniwa was right to do this. I'm disregarding the "it meant nothing" argument, by saying it doesn't matter it doesn't mean anything, because an agreement was made upon entering the tournament. What's your response? Nothing at all, from that post at least hahaha. I'll even agree that GOM rejected his code S spot based on no rules at all. But my next question is: Do they need any rules? It's their tournament, and they may reject as many invites as they wish, based on pretty much anything they want. What's your answer to this? '' What's your response? Nothing at all, from that post at least hahaha.'' You did notice my post was purely related to the fact whether or nor the format is high risk for frustrating/discouraging games for pro and even viewers (eg it takes time before the next game starts) , i think it is in such extend that someone at GOMtv should argue why it is not. They must go to debate, otherwise I dont trust them judging the foreign players in future tourney's. I fully empathize with the TC, saying that ppl of GOMtv are ignoring the discussion for unclear reasons (I guess they aren't stupid?). So that was the only thing i want to clear up, i dont really understand what you think the question is that i should answer? maybe you can clarify that a little bit.
Thing is, GOM needs to give no explanations to anyone as to why they pick the format they like. It's really their choice, and if Nani didn't like the format, he should have voiced those concerns before, and if he still didn't like GOM's choices, he shouldn't have participated in the tourney. Once you enter the tournament you agree to play it with the format it has.
If you want GOM to not ue these formats, tell them, and THEY will decide if they listen, but they don't need to explain ANYTHING.
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[QUOTE]On December 28 2011 04:26 mordk wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 28 2011 01:44 epb1982 wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 27 2011 13:37 mordk wrote:
Thing is, GOM needs to give no explanations to anyone as to why they pick the format they like. It's really their choice, and if Nani didn't like the format, he should have voiced those concerns before, and if he still didn't like GOM's choices, he shouldn't have participated in the tourney. Once you enter the tournament you agree to play it with the format it has.
If you want GOM to not ue these formats, tell them, and THEY will decide if they listen, but they don't need to explain ANYTHING.[/QUOTE]
Well, ok fair point, maybe you are right that they aren't obligated. But that is not what my message is, read it carefully i dont't state that.
I dont agree with NaniWa not entering a prestigious tourney based on the information he had available before the tourney started.
I think he went in, thinking he would show the world the best playing of SC2. And indeed he failed in showcasing his unique unbeatable style (which he is known for after his unbelievable 23-24? kill streak during the MLG Dallas), thus he went disillusioned after 3-0 intense close matches (heavily decided by luck factor).
He didnt think about failing, the tourney managers have to think about letting a player deal with his emotions after failing!
They chose this format with certain risks, probably knowing these risks. Then they state with the marketing formula that the tourney is one of the most relevant/most at stake tourneys of the year (which is BS, in my opinion). So my conclusion is they hype and pump an potential defective tourney format, as if it is the greatest and best ever?!? strange, right?
I think they went flat on their nose, and blamed the foreign player NaniWa for exposing their precious hollow and superficial tourney. So maybe they WANT to do some EXPLANATION, or better to drop the F*cking arrogant attitude ''we dont need to explain to any foreign sucker, because we ARE the tourney''
So, stop defending the Korean, be a foreigner. We dont understand them, they dont understand us. Who is the fault?
I dont know, but THEY need to be understandable, otherwise I think they are pretty dump, or a least not smart.
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fucking titties @! good jobs :D
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Awesome work man!
Also, I do hope that this planned article is written and published whether or not GOM, GSL, Quantic or Naniwa want to talk about it. That's not how journalism should work. If there's a story that needs to be told, a journalist's job is to find a way to to somehow tell that story.
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It reminds me of Itachi (from Naruto) i think it's cause the Quantic Logo looks a lot like Sharingan
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On December 28 2011 01:44 epb1982 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 13:37 mordk wrote:
Thing is, GOM needs to give no explanations to anyone as to why they pick the format they like. It's really their choice, and if Nani didn't like the format, he should have voiced those concerns before, and if he still didn't like GOM's choices, he shouldn't have participated in the tourney. Once you enter the tournament you agree to play it with the format it has.
If you want GOM to not ue these formats, tell them, and THEY will decide if they listen, but they don't need to explain ANYTHING. Well, ok fair point, maybe you are right that they aren't obligated. But that is not what my message is, read it carefully i dont't state that. I dont agree with NaniWa not entering a prestigious tourney based on the information he had available before the tourney started. I think he went in, thinking he would show the world the best playing of SC2. And indeed he failed in showcasing his unique unbeatable style (which he is known for after his unbelievable 23-24? kill streak during the MLG Dallas), thus he went disillusioned after 3-0 intense close matches (heavily decided by luck factor). He didnt think about failing, the tourney managers have to think about letting a player deal with his emotions after failing! They chose this format with certain risks, probably knowing these risks. Then they state with the marketing formula that the tourney is one of the most relevant/most at stake tourneys of the year (which is BS, in my opinion). So my conclusion is they hype and pump an potential defective tourney format, as if it is the greatest and best ever?!? strange, right? I think they went flat on their nose, and blamed the foreign player NaniWa for exposing their precious hollow and superficial tourney. So maybe they WANT to do some EXPLANATION, or better to drop the F*cking arrogant attitude ''we dont need to explain to any foreign sucker, because we ARE the tourney'' So, stop defending the Korean, be a foreigner. We dont understand them, they dont understand us. Who is the fault? I dont know, but THEY need to be understandable, otherwise I think they are pretty dump, or a least not smart.
Nobody said anything about KRs vs foreigners. And personally I don't care at all for that type of thing, I don't think this was in any way affected by Naniwa being a foreigner. It's pretty simple, they put the conditions under which the tournament was gonna be played, and then naniwa did this ridiculous thing, because he didn't feel like playing. It's just a bad attitude. As was said before, nani didn't ask GOM to forfeit the game, which would have been the most logical thing to do in this situation. They shouldn't have to explain why they pick one format or the other, and that is completely unrelated to what naniwa decided to do.
And it's probably time to stop this discussion, since we're derailing.
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On December 28 2011 11:08 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 01:44 epb1982 wrote:On December 27 2011 13:37 mordk wrote:
Thing is, GOM needs to give no explanations to anyone as to why they pick the format they like. It's really their choice, and if Nani didn't like the format, he should have voiced those concerns before, and if he still didn't like GOM's choices, he shouldn't have participated in the tourney. Once you enter the tournament you agree to play it with the format it has.
If you want GOM to not ue these formats, tell them, and THEY will decide if they listen, but they don't need to explain ANYTHING. Well, ok fair point, maybe you are right that they aren't obligated. But that is not what my message is, read it carefully i dont't state that. I dont agree with NaniWa not entering a prestigious tourney based on the information he had available before the tourney started. I think he went in, thinking he would show the world the best playing of SC2. And indeed he failed in showcasing his unique unbeatable style (which he is known for after his unbelievable 23-24? kill streak during the MLG Dallas), thus he went disillusioned after 3-0 intense close matches (heavily decided by luck factor). He didnt think about failing, the tourney managers have to think about letting a player deal with his emotions after failing! They chose this format with certain risks, probably knowing these risks. Then they state with the marketing formula that the tourney is one of the most relevant/most at stake tourneys of the year (which is BS, in my opinion). So my conclusion is they hype and pump an potential defective tourney format, as if it is the greatest and best ever?!? strange, right? I think they went flat on their nose, and blamed the foreign player NaniWa for exposing their precious hollow and superficial tourney. So maybe they WANT to do some EXPLANATION, or better to drop the F*cking arrogant attitude ''we dont need to explain to any foreign sucker, because we ARE the tourney'' So, stop defending the Korean, be a foreigner. We dont understand them, they dont understand us. Who is the fault? I dont know, but THEY need to be understandable, otherwise I think they are pretty dump, or a least not smart. Nobody said anything about KRs vs foreigners. And personally I don't care at all for that type of thing, I don't think this was in any way affected by Naniwa being a foreigner. It's pretty simple, they put the conditions under which the tournament was gonna be played, and then naniwa did this ridiculous thing, because he didn't feel like playing. It's just a bad attitude. As was said before, nani didn't ask GOM to forfeit the game, which would have been the most logical thing to do in this situation. They shouldn't have to explain why they pick one format or the other, and that is completely unrelated to what naniwa decided to do. And it's probably time to stop this discussion, since we're derailing.
Ok stop the discussion, but I see things related: it started and will go on: EG excessively blamed approaching EGPuma - rejecting generous offer NASL b/c they need full-coverage - offensive attitude players is accepted outside KR - offensive attitude players in KR seems to be punished -> I don't understand them; do they want to be isolated with the game or what? so i get angry.
But then in the end, the obviously ''flawed'' tourney did have a really nice finals, etc. So i guess that is the thing we all have to settle with. But my ranting will go on after the NEXT not understandable decision by GOM/KR-team/KR official, etc. I simply dont trust them with the whole global eSport campaign, maybe you don't care, i do care.
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i'd buy a tshirt with that on it, and i play terran 
also 2c, i'd love to see a NaNi Vs Nestea rematch special on GOM, like the boxer yell0w one
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EPT
