Revenge of the Naniwa Probe Art

On December 25 2011 23:40 Keone wrote:
Though this pic is incredibly badass and the artist is amazing...

I get the feeling that we really shouldn't be martyring the incident, especially after the apologies of Naniwa, Quantic, and all the negative reactions from the fans. I think the ESPORTS community would benefit more if we just let it end with those apologies, instead of encouraging people to emulate Naniwa's actions, which he himself admitted were wrong.

On December 25 2011 22:25 Dubzex wrote:
Awesome! It reminds me of Jet Set Radio Future.

On December 25 2011 23:40 Keone wrote:
Though this pic is incredibly badass and the artist is amazing...

I get the feeling that we really shouldn't be martyring the incident, especially after the apologies of Naniwa, Quantic, and all the negative reactions from the fans. I think the ESPORTS community would benefit more if we just let it end with those apologies, instead of encouraging people to emulate Naniwa's actions, which he himself admitted were wrong.

On December 26 2011 00:33 bmml wrote:


People need to stop thinking about ESPORTS and more about whats right and wrong, I'd welcome an article into the incident as its obviously something that should be talked about in a logical, thought out way (read: not 20000 page thread with racism, whining and more general abuse). Sweeping such an oversight by GOM (and a harsh reaction based on no real rules) reminds me of something that might occur in Stalinist Russia or Mao China, giving GOM a free ride shouldn't be what comes out of this incident.

On December 25 2011 23:40 Keone wrote:
Though this pic is incredibly badass and the artist is amazing...

I get the feeling that we really shouldn't be martyring the incident, especially after the apologies of Naniwa, Quantic, and all the negative reactions from the fans. I think the ESPORTS community would benefit more if we just let it end with those apologies, instead of encouraging people to emulate Naniwa's actions, which he himself admitted were wrong.

People need to stop thinking about ESPORTS and more about whats right and wrong, I'd welcome an article into the incident as its obviously something that should be talked about in a logical, thought out way (read: not 20000 page thread with racism, whining and more general abuse). Sweeping such an oversight by GOM (and a harsh reaction based on no real rules) reminds me of something that might occur in Stalinist Russia or Mao China, giving GOM a free ride shouldn't be what comes out of this incident.

On December 26 2011 01:25 Shai wrote:


Right. I forgot that GOM TV was a Country and not a corporation.

Companies do not have to enforce free speech, equal rights, etc, etc - they only have to enforce what their contracts bind them to. If they are incorrect in their assessment of the situation, then Naniwa can/should sue. As it is, they are within their legal rights as a corporation, and if Naniwa wants to compete in GSL then he can/should apologize (which he did). Did he have to apologize? No. Just like he doesn't have to compete in GSL.

There, the logical explanation. For the sake of eSports .

OT: Nice art OP, but I don't agree with the message. He's not an oppressed people throwing Molotov cocktails at the fascist regime.

On December 25 2011 22:20 masakenji wrote:
Btooom!

On December 26 2011 03:12 bmml wrote:


If GOM want to be taken seriously as a sporting organisation they need to enforce their rules, not rules the make up whenever something they don't like occurs. That was my point. GOM did do something wrong when they decided to arbitrarily punish based on nothing. The only reason that GOM isn't receiving more criticism is because of the masses of zealous GOMites who can see no wrong in the organisation.

Also my point about Facist countries was probably not a good example but was merely meant to point out a lack of accountability.

On December 26 2011 19:26 epb1982 wrote:
Nice alteredclone, this pic gives suits what happened, I agree that this isn't over until GOMtv gives a statement for future tourney's, now we don't know if this is going to happen again, whether or nor the same penalty will be given, eg Idra vs oGsMC, both are at high risk for unconventional behavior.

It seems that ppl from the organisation dont want to talk about this, BUT
can you pls ask this?

GOMtv: do you agree that the specific match-up didn't have anything on stake? draining the spirit of real pro's that want to win the whole thing?
do you, from now on, dont create delusive match-ups in any of your future tourney's?
If yes, are you willing to say sorry to NaniWa for your mistake in the Blizzard Cup?
If no, why do think that the games/professional want to see these delusive matches?

Hope you can get it out there, I think GOMtv has to do some reputation-damage control, b/c ATM i noticed A LOT of ppl not going to GOM ever again (including me). Other tourney are more relaxed for us to see ATM.

Just my thought, what it's worth (read my othe posts for my opinion on this matter)

On December 25 2011 22:37 Necosarius wrote:
Looks awesome :D Reminds me of Gaara somehow O.o

On December 27 2011 08:01 epb1982 wrote:
''Sigh... I hate to touch this subject, but Naniwa agreed to the format the moment he entered the tournament. If he dislikes this type of format, he should have rejected the invite. It doesn't matter whether something was at stake or not.

It's okay to dislike the format. It's not okay to do it the way Nani did. Round robin is a perfectly suitable format used everywhere in the world. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a different format, but that's completely irrelevant to this situation.''

Bla Bla, official contract, bla bla, he agreed to the format, bla bla, unproffesional attitude. Why can't GOM just consult the ''rules of the contract/anti-cheat rules''? before rejecting futher participation on code S? The type of format was highly unconventional, I never saw the format in SC2 tourney's. And now I know why! You defend the ppl in charge of the format plus think that the last word has been spoken about this subject, both I think are ignorant. I hate to touch this subject, but mordk seems like a good guy on other topics then this one.

On December 25 2011 22:32 TheSilverfox wrote:
Holy shit, this is awesome!

I would so buy a T-shirt of this!

On December 25 2011 22:17 juked wrote:
Ahaha this is funny. I only think of probe bombs when i see this

On December 27 2011 13:37 mordk wrote:


LOL... you give absolutely no arguments as to why naniwa was right to do this. I'm disregarding the "it meant nothing" argument, by saying it doesn't matter it doesn't mean anything, because an agreement was made upon entering the tournament. What's your response? Nothing at all, from that post at least hahaha.

I'll even agree that GOM rejected his code S spot based on no rules at all. But my next question is: Do they need any rules? It's their tournament, and they may reject as many invites as they wish, based on pretty much anything they want. What's your answer to this?

On December 28 2011 01:44 epb1982 wrote:


'' What's your response? Nothing at all, from that post at least hahaha.''

You did notice my post was purely related to the fact whether or nor the format is high risk for frustrating/discouraging games for pro and even viewers (eg it takes time before the next game starts) , i think it is in such extend that someone at GOMtv should argue why it is not. They must go to debate, otherwise I dont trust them judging the foreign players in future tourney's.

I fully empathize with the TC, saying that ppl of GOMtv are ignoring the discussion for unclear reasons (I guess they aren't stupid?).

So that was the only thing i want to clear up, i dont really understand what you think the question is that i should answer? maybe you can clarify that a little bit.

On December 28 2011 01:44 epb1982 wrote:



Well, ok fair point, maybe you are right that they aren't obligated. But that is not what my message is, read it carefully i dont't state that.

I dont agree with NaniWa not entering a prestigious tourney based on the information he had available before the tourney started.
I think he went in, thinking he would show the world the best playing of SC2. And indeed he failed in showcasing his unique unbeatable style (which he is known for after his unbelievable 23-24? kill streak during the MLG Dallas), thus he went disillusioned after 3-0 intense close matches (heavily decided by luck factor).

He didnt think about failing, the tourney managers have to think about letting a player deal with his emotions after failing!

They chose this format with certain risks, probably knowing these risks. Then they state with the marketing formula that the tourney is one of the most relevant/most at stake tourneys of the year (which is BS, in my opinion). So my conclusion is they hype and pump an potential defective tourney format, as if it is the greatest and best ever?!? strange, right?

I think they went flat on their nose, and blamed the foreign player NaniWa for exposing their precious hollow and superficial tourney. So maybe they WANT to do some EXPLANATION, or better to drop the F*cking arrogant attitude ''we dont need to explain to any foreign sucker, because we ARE the tourney''

So, stop defending the Korean, be a foreigner. We dont understand them, they dont understand us. Who is the fault?
I dont know, but THEY need to be understandable, otherwise I think they are pretty dump, or a least not smart.

On December 28 2011 11:08 mordk wrote:

Nobody said anything about KRs vs foreigners. And personally I don't care at all for that type of thing, I don't think this was in any way affected by Naniwa being a foreigner. It's pretty simple, they put the conditions under which the tournament was gonna be played, and then naniwa did this ridiculous thing, because he didn't feel like playing. It's just a bad attitude. As was said before, nani didn't ask GOM to forfeit the game, which would have been the most logical thing to do in this situation. They shouldn't have to explain why they pick one format or the other, and that is completely unrelated to what naniwa decided to do.

And it's probably time to stop this discussion, since we're derailing.