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Doa's take on the Naniwa/GOMtv situation. - Page 2

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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
December 14 2011 21:11 GMT
#21
Sick blog DoA. Do you have any plans to return to korean?
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Sluggy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States128 Posts
December 14 2011 21:16 GMT
#22
Agree with everything except for this:

"GOMtv isn't without blame here either though. Despite how the Korean scene feels about how players should act, they should have also considered how a non-Korean player might feel in Naniwa's situation."

He acted like a child, so he is being punished like a child. Timeout sucks, but people need to be held accountable for their actions.
0800
Profile Joined December 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:39:15
December 14 2011 21:38 GMT
#23
On December 15 2011 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?


I am gonna re-post what I wrote quoting Liquid-Tyler in another discussion.
He said that both GOMTV and Naniwa acted in the wrong way, and I agree, but there is a big difference.

Naniwa is an idividual while GOMTV is a company that should ALWAYS act correctly and professionally.
This is why it is extremely disappointing seeing such a reaction from GOMTV; they reacted like an emotional individual (exactly like Naniwa during that game) while they should be the ones setting the bar for quality and great example.
On the top of that because they applied a rule this way, they created a double standard by not applying it in other cases prior to this one, which makes them loose credibility as an institution and as an eSPORTS medium.
GOMTV should rethink their action and admit they over reacted.

Doa's blog post adds absolutely nothing to this current "drama", it actually just shows how he does not get a grasp of what to say in this kind of situation
This is an issue that goes beyond Naniwa's personality, the problem here is not Naniwa not playing the game, it is GOM's reaction what is disturbing, therefore making a post about Naniwa's character and immaturity is totally irrelevant.
I am actually surprised by how many people do not get a clue of what is the main issue here.
Naniwa acted like an immature kid and we can all clearly realize that without having DoA spending several lines talking about it. I am done spending my time in these forums they are full of people with too much emotions and lack of rationality.
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
December 14 2011 21:50 GMT
#24
On December 15 2011 06:38 0800 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?


I am gonna re-post what I wrote quoting Liquid-Tyler in another discussion.
He said that both GOMTV and Naniwa acted in the wrong way, and I agree, but there is a big difference.

Naniwa is an idividual while GOMTV is a company that should ALWAYS act correctly and professionally.
This is why it is extremely disappointing seeing such a reaction from GOMTV; they reacted like an emotional individual (exactly like Naniwa during that game) while they should be the ones setting the bar for quality and great example.
On the top of that because they applied a rule this way, they created a double standard by not applying it in other cases prior to this one, which makes them loose credibility as an institution and as an eSPORTS medium.
GOMTV should rethink their action and admit they over reacted.

Doa's blog post adds absolutely nothing to this current "drama", it actually just shows how he does not get a grasp of what to say in this kind of situation
This is an issue that goes beyond Naniwa's personality, the problem here is not Naniwa not playing the game, it is GOM's reaction what is disturbing, therefore making a post about Naniwa's character and immaturity is totally irrelevant.
I am actually surprised by how many people do not get a clue of what is the main issue here.
Naniwa acted like an immature kid and we can all clearly realize that without having DoA spending several lines talking about it. I am done spending my time in these forums they are full of people with too much emotions and lack of rationality.

Yes, be done spending time on these forums with an account you clearly created to say this because apparently you were too afraid to on your main account.
Also you haven't actually made an argument in either of your posts, you've just made points without justification lol.
0800
Profile Joined December 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:00:07
December 14 2011 21:57 GMT
#25
On December 15 2011 06:50 Redmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:38 0800 wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?


I am gonna re-post what I wrote quoting Liquid-Tyler in another discussion.
He said that both GOMTV and Naniwa acted in the wrong way, and I agree, but there is a big difference.

Naniwa is an idividual while GOMTV is a company that should ALWAYS act correctly and professionally.
This is why it is extremely disappointing seeing such a reaction from GOMTV; they reacted like an emotional individual (exactly like Naniwa during that game) while they should be the ones setting the bar for quality and great example.
On the top of that because they applied a rule this way, they created a double standard by not applying it in other cases prior to this one, which makes them loose credibility as an institution and as an eSPORTS medium.
GOMTV should rethink their action and admit they over reacted.

Doa's blog post adds absolutely nothing to this current "drama", it actually just shows how he does not get a grasp of what to say in this kind of situation
This is an issue that goes beyond Naniwa's personality, the problem here is not Naniwa not playing the game, it is GOM's reaction what is disturbing, therefore making a post about Naniwa's character and immaturity is totally irrelevant.
I am actually surprised by how many people do not get a clue of what is the main issue here.
Naniwa acted like an immature kid and we can all clearly realize that without having DoA spending several lines talking about it. I am done spending my time in these forums they are full of people with too much emotions and lack of rationality.

Yes, be done spending time on these forums with an account you clearly created to say this because apparently you were too afraid to on your main account.
Also you haven't actually made an argument in either of your posts, you've just made points without justification lol.


This is my main account and I just created to post on this matter.
I usually just lurk around TL but this action by GOM really upset me and because I have been supporting them since season 1 buying premium tickets I think I have the right to express my concerns regarding this issue.
I am not even a Naniwa fan, but people are dumbing this down to fanboys and anti-naniwa people.
I made my point if you fail to see it, not my problem. If you think what GOM has done is right explain your point rather than posting lol several times in few sentences.

Edit: Tyler is a really smart guy and you can tell every time he speaks on SOTG, so I am also gonna paste his quote right here.

On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#26
Great post DOA! If only it would convince half of the conspiracy theorist fanboys to calm down it would be so worth it.
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#27
DOA, when did you become such a wise Confucian sage.
BestFriends
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada133 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#28
In the word of Vince Lombardi; "Winning isn’t everything; it’s the only thing."

Eastern cultures have to start realizing this. It transcends sports having deep roots and applications in the real world.

It's not about winning but the prevention of defeat.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
December 14 2011 21:59 GMT
#29
On December 15 2011 06:38 0800 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?


I am gonna re-post what I wrote quoting Liquid-Tyler in another discussion.
He said that both GOMTV and Naniwa acted in the wrong way, and I agree, but there is a big difference.

Naniwa is an idividual while GOMTV is a company that should ALWAYS act correctly and professionally.
This is why it is extremely disappointing seeing such a reaction from GOMTV; they reacted like an emotional individual (exactly like Naniwa during that game) while they should be the ones setting the bar for quality and great example.
On the top of that because they applied a rule this way, they created a double standard by not applying it in other cases prior to this one, which makes them loose credibility as an institution and as an eSPORTS medium.
GOMTV should rethink their action and admit they over reacted.

Doa's blog post adds absolutely nothing to this current "drama", it actually just shows how he does not get a grasp of what to say in this kind of situation
This is an issue that goes beyond Naniwa's personality, the problem here is not Naniwa not playing the game, it is GOM's reaction what is disturbing, therefore making a post about Naniwa's character and immaturity is totally irrelevant.
I am actually surprised by how many people do not get a clue of what is the main issue here.
Naniwa acted like an immature kid and we can all clearly realize that without having DoA spending several lines talking about it. I am done spending my time in these forums they are full of people with too much emotions and lack of rationality.

BYE! Hope the DOAr hits you on the way out!
pigscanfly
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore147 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 22:04:19
December 14 2011 22:03 GMT
#30
On December 15 2011 06:57 0800 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:50 Redmark wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:38 0800 wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?


I am gonna re-post what I wrote quoting Liquid-Tyler in another discussion.
He said that both GOMTV and Naniwa acted in the wrong way, and I agree, but there is a big difference.

Naniwa is an idividual while GOMTV is a company that should ALWAYS act correctly and professionally.
This is why it is extremely disappointing seeing such a reaction from GOMTV; they reacted like an emotional individual (exactly like Naniwa during that game) while they should be the ones setting the bar for quality and great example.
On the top of that because they applied a rule this way, they created a double standard by not applying it in other cases prior to this one, which makes them loose credibility as an institution and as an eSPORTS medium.
GOMTV should rethink their action and admit they over reacted.

Doa's blog post adds absolutely nothing to this current "drama", it actually just shows how he does not get a grasp of what to say in this kind of situation
This is an issue that goes beyond Naniwa's personality, the problem here is not Naniwa not playing the game, it is GOM's reaction what is disturbing, therefore making a post about Naniwa's character and immaturity is totally irrelevant.
I am actually surprised by how many people do not get a clue of what is the main issue here.
Naniwa acted like an immature kid and we can all clearly realize that without having DoA spending several lines talking about it. I am done spending my time in these forums they are full of people with too much emotions and lack of rationality.

Yes, be done spending time on these forums with an account you clearly created to say this because apparently you were too afraid to on your main account.
Also you haven't actually made an argument in either of your posts, you've just made points without justification lol.


This is my main account and I just created to post on this matter.
I usually just lurk around TL but this action by GOM really upset me and because I have been supporting them since season 1 buying premium tickets I think I have the right to express my concerns regarding this issue.
I am not even a Naniwa fan, but people are dumbing this down to fanboys and anti-naniwa people.
I made my point if you fail to see it, not my problem. If you think what GOM has done is right explain your point rather than posting lol several times in few sentences.


what GOM did is not wrong. why is their reaction disturbing? naniwa made a mistake. as the GOM reply says, he didn't cheat, but he was disrespectful and what he did was against the spirit of competition. thus, he was punished for it. also, the code S seed wasn't his by right. as they had already stated, he was just under strong consideration for it, but since he was disrespectful, they decided against selecting him as a code S invitation.

could GOM be more compassionate? yes.
do they HAVE to be more compassionate? no.

this is where people like you and liquidtyler are wrong. it is perfectly within their purview, and while you may call for compassion, myself and many others think that enforcing the rules sets a better precedent.

edit: oh and fantastic post doa!
Melange
Profile Joined April 2011
United States39 Posts
December 14 2011 22:09 GMT
#31
On December 15 2011 06:59 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:38 0800 wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?


I am gonna re-post what I wrote quoting Liquid-Tyler in another discussion.
He said that both GOMTV and Naniwa acted in the wrong way, and I agree, but there is a big difference.

Naniwa is an idividual while GOMTV is a company that should ALWAYS act correctly and professionally.
This is why it is extremely disappointing seeing such a reaction from GOMTV; they reacted like an emotional individual (exactly like Naniwa during that game) while they should be the ones setting the bar for quality and great example.
On the top of that because they applied a rule this way, they created a double standard by not applying it in other cases prior to this one, which makes them loose credibility as an institution and as an eSPORTS medium.
GOMTV should rethink their action and admit they over reacted.

Doa's blog post adds absolutely nothing to this current "drama", it actually just shows how he does not get a grasp of what to say in this kind of situation
This is an issue that goes beyond Naniwa's personality, the problem here is not Naniwa not playing the game, it is GOM's reaction what is disturbing, therefore making a post about Naniwa's character and immaturity is totally irrelevant.
I am actually surprised by how many people do not get a clue of what is the main issue here.
Naniwa acted like an immature kid and we can all clearly realize that without having DoA spending several lines talking about it. I am done spending my time in these forums they are full of people with too much emotions and lack of rationality.

BYE! Hope the DOAr hits you on the way out!


Double standard? If a Korean player were to do what Naniwa did, he'd be immediately kicked off of his team and banned from GSL for atleast a season. We've seen this from players such as Coca and Byun. GOM has never been biased against foreign players. On the contrary, they've been widely accepting of them and, more recently, have invited Sen and Idra to Code S without having them play any Up and Down matches. This shows preferential treatment to foreigners more than anything.

GOM decided to remove the Code S seed, which they have the right to do. They could've banned him as they would any Korean player that would have done the same thing, but they chose to be less harsh and allow him to try again. Your argument that GOM acted as an "emotional individual" is baseless because they're defending the quality of their production. If they did nothing at all, what's to stop anyone from disrespecting their tournaments? If anything, this punishment helps maintain the "bar for quality" that you say GOM lacks because they're making sure players show respect for their viewers, production, tournaments, and employees.
.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
December 14 2011 22:41 GMT
#32
Damn this i really well written. It certainly provided me with closure of feeling cheated out of a code S Naniwa :D
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Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
December 14 2011 22:48 GMT
#33
I agree with a lot of what you've said DoA, I hope people who are bashing gom read this blog. 5/5, good to hear from you again
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
December 14 2011 23:01 GMT
#34
such a great post, can't help but agree and wish i can express my thoughts as well as you just did
Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
December 14 2011 23:22 GMT
#35
On December 15 2011 06:57 0800 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:50 Redmark wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:38 0800 wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?


I am gonna re-post what I wrote quoting Liquid-Tyler in another discussion.
He said that both GOMTV and Naniwa acted in the wrong way, and I agree, but there is a big difference.

Naniwa is an idividual while GOMTV is a company that should ALWAYS act correctly and professionally.
This is why it is extremely disappointing seeing such a reaction from GOMTV; they reacted like an emotional individual (exactly like Naniwa during that game) while they should be the ones setting the bar for quality and great example.
On the top of that because they applied a rule this way, they created a double standard by not applying it in other cases prior to this one, which makes them loose credibility as an institution and as an eSPORTS medium.
GOMTV should rethink their action and admit they over reacted.

Doa's blog post adds absolutely nothing to this current "drama", it actually just shows how he does not get a grasp of what to say in this kind of situation
This is an issue that goes beyond Naniwa's personality, the problem here is not Naniwa not playing the game, it is GOM's reaction what is disturbing, therefore making a post about Naniwa's character and immaturity is totally irrelevant.
I am actually surprised by how many people do not get a clue of what is the main issue here.
Naniwa acted like an immature kid and we can all clearly realize that without having DoA spending several lines talking about it. I am done spending my time in these forums they are full of people with too much emotions and lack of rationality.

Yes, be done spending time on these forums with an account you clearly created to say this because apparently you were too afraid to on your main account.
Also you haven't actually made an argument in either of your posts, you've just made points without justification lol.


This is my main account and I just created to post on this matter.
I usually just lurk around TL but this action by GOM really upset me and because I have been supporting them since season 1 buying premium tickets I think I have the right to express my concerns regarding this issue.
I am not even a Naniwa fan, but people are dumbing this down to fanboys and anti-naniwa people.
I made my point if you fail to see it, not my problem. If you think what GOM has done is right explain your point rather than posting lol several times in few sentences.

Edit: Tyler is a really smart guy and you can tell every time he speaks on SOTG, so I am also gonna paste his quote right here.

On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa

You're right, Tyler is smart, but it doesn't mean everything he says is correct.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6595 Posts
December 14 2011 23:32 GMT
#36
really well explained. Nice job DoA I think this explains things very reasonably.
LiquidDota Staff
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
December 14 2011 23:34 GMT
#37
good read, doa - I agree with you
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 23:54:11
December 14 2011 23:52 GMT
#38
On December 15 2011 06:57 0800 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 06:50 Redmark wrote:
On December 15 2011 06:38 0800 wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:45 Dodgin wrote:
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?


I am gonna re-post what I wrote quoting Liquid-Tyler in another discussion.
He said that both GOMTV and Naniwa acted in the wrong way, and I agree, but there is a big difference.

Naniwa is an idividual while GOMTV is a company that should ALWAYS act correctly and professionally.
This is why it is extremely disappointing seeing such a reaction from GOMTV; they reacted like an emotional individual (exactly like Naniwa during that game) while they should be the ones setting the bar for quality and great example.
On the top of that because they applied a rule this way, they created a double standard by not applying it in other cases prior to this one, which makes them loose credibility as an institution and as an eSPORTS medium.
GOMTV should rethink their action and admit they over reacted.

Doa's blog post adds absolutely nothing to this current "drama", it actually just shows how he does not get a grasp of what to say in this kind of situation
This is an issue that goes beyond Naniwa's personality, the problem here is not Naniwa not playing the game, it is GOM's reaction what is disturbing, therefore making a post about Naniwa's character and immaturity is totally irrelevant.
I am actually surprised by how many people do not get a clue of what is the main issue here.
Naniwa acted like an immature kid and we can all clearly realize that without having DoA spending several lines talking about it. I am done spending my time in these forums they are full of people with too much emotions and lack of rationality.

Yes, be done spending time on these forums with an account you clearly created to say this because apparently you were too afraid to on your main account.
Also you haven't actually made an argument in either of your posts, you've just made points without justification lol.


This is my main account and I just created to post on this matter.
I usually just lurk around TL but this action by GOM really upset me and because I have been supporting them since season 1 buying premium tickets I think I have the right to express my concerns regarding this issue.
I am not even a Naniwa fan, but people are dumbing this down to fanboys and anti-naniwa people.
I made my point if you fail to see it, not my problem. If you think what GOM has done is right explain your point rather than posting lol several times in few sentences.

Edit: Tyler is a really smart guy and you can tell every time he speaks on SOTG, so I am also gonna paste his quote right here.

On December 15 2011 02:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
i lost three respect points for gomtv for kicking naniwa

Tyler says a lot of stuff that is completely wrong, even though he's a smart guy. There was that one rant he started on SoTG, about how other event organizers (EG Master's Cup) should not be posting stuff on Team Liquid in a professional manner since this is just a forum. Instead they should be advertising their tournament on their own site or something like that. Don't remember the episode, but it was a pretty terrible argument either way.

Also, I don't see how you can say there's a double-standard here. A Korean player would've been kicked off his team, and probably banned from GSL completely if he pulled shit like this.
bludragen88
Profile Joined August 2008
United States527 Posts
December 14 2011 23:53 GMT
#39
Great post overall, DoA, but I have one question about this point that you made:

On December 15 2011 05:04 DoA wrote:
The big issue here is that I don't think Naniwa realized what a big honor he was being given by being invited to the Blizzard Cup. He certainly didn't deserve it more than anyone else. HuK won an MLG too and has been much more successful in the GSL overall. MarineKing came in 2nd in multiple GSLs throughout the year and won other tournaments. I'm sure I could find more examples. What I'm saying is that there were other people out there that deserved his spot as much as he did, but GOM chose to give it to him.


Wasn't it clearly defined before the Blizzard Cup started what the selection criteria were going to be (except for the selection criteria in the case of MVP's multiple qualifications)? It was lined up that #1 and 2 at MLG providence were going to go, so while GOM could have chosen not to give him the spot, he did in fact earn it.
GoSuSocrates
Profile Joined March 2011
206 Posts
December 14 2011 23:58 GMT
#40
Great insights! Thanks for sharing. It is definitely rare to have a third-person perspective from someone who knows NaNi and GOM really well.
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