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On December 15 2011 08:53 bludragen88 wrote:Great post overall, DoA, but I have one question about this point that you made: Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 05:04 DoA wrote:
The big issue here is that I don't think Naniwa realized what a big honor he was being given by being invited to the Blizzard Cup. He certainly didn't deserve it more than anyone else. HuK won an MLG too and has been much more successful in the GSL overall. MarineKing came in 2nd in multiple GSLs throughout the year and won other tournaments. I'm sure I could find more examples. What I'm saying is that there were other people out there that deserved his spot as much as he did, but GOM chose to give it to him. Wasn't it clearly defined before the Blizzard Cup started what the selection criteria were going to be (except for the selection criteria in the case of MVP's multiple qualifications)? It was lined up that #1 and 2 at MLG providence were going to go, so while GOM could have chosen not to give him the spot, he did in fact earn it.
I was under the impression one of MVP's extra seeds was given to Naniwa. Looks like it was Polt who got it instead. So yes, that paragraph will be edited. Thanks for the heads up.
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Good read.
Its good that casters are speaking their mind and not silently hiding away from thiese things
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If GOM want to overreact to Nani worker rushing by taking away his code S spot Sweeden could overreact back and declare war on korea. That is about as harsh a reaction imo I thought it was funny how much GOM overeacted until I thought about how hard Nani worked for that code S spot. I know what tournament i will be boycotting next year. Goodbye GOMtv ticket.
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On December 15 2011 09:06 paddyz wrote:
If GOM want to overreact to Nani worker rushing by taking away his code S spot Sweeden could overreact back and declare war on korea. That is about as harsh a reaction imo I thought it was funny how much GOM overeacted until I thought about how hard Nani worked for that code S spot. I know what tournament i will be boycotting next year. Goodbye GOMtv ticket.
Yeah and if the Minnesota Timberswolves or the Toronto Raptors decided not to show up to their last game of the season since the game wouldn't matter, do you think the commissioner of the NBA would be like: "It's the NBA's fault for having games that 'do not matter' included in the schedule and be televised." No he would not, everyone on each of those teams would be fined or suspended from a number of games the following season. It is well understood in sports that you may have to and are obligated to play games that do not matter... Naniwa did not do that... Thus, GOM is justified in doing whatever they want with respect to Naniwa's involvement in their tournament. There are many other players that would have been just as deserving as Naniwa to play in the Blizzard Cup (e.g. Bomber, Puma, etc)... but GOM gave that spot to Naniwa. And what did Naniwa do? He disrespected the spot that was given to him by throwing away a game because he couldn't get over a few close games that he had played a little while ago. GOM's punishment of revoking his Code S spot is completely justified and is not an overreaction by any means.
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On December 15 2011 09:06 paddyz wrote:
If GOM want to overreact to Nani worker rushing by taking away his code S spot Sweeden could overreact back and declare war on korea. That is about as harsh a reaction imo I thought it was funny how much GOM overeacted until I thought about how hard Nani worked for that code S spot. I know what tournament i will be boycotting next year. Goodbye GOMtv ticket.
LOLOLOL
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Awesome article. DoA's my man!
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why can't Naniwa go through open brackets like everyone else? Why does he 'deserve' a code S spot? why not code A? oh because gom is being extra nice and trying to help the foreigners out, which ultimately helps them out. Doa, I really really liked this line.
'You might think it seems cool or something to be a rebel and "stick it to the man" or whatever, but in the end you accomplish a lot more of your goals in life by being nice working with people than against them. That's not my opinion. That's just fact.'
hopefully a lot of these immature kids and adults will read this and learn and mature from it.
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On December 15 2011 09:58 Taug wrote:
why can't Naniwa go through open brackets like everyone else? Why does he 'deserve' a code S spot? why not code A? oh because gom is being extra nice and trying to help the foreigners out, which ultimately helps them out. Doa, I really really liked this line.
You like it but it's false, GOM hasn't been "nice". Naniwa earned his spot and wasn't invited. In fact, he's the first foreigner to do so, every other player that won this spot was korean.
Good article DOA, but your reasoning includes "GOM decided to invite Naniwa", so I think it's flawed. GOm didn't decide anything, they gave a list of tournament from which winners would gain a spot in the blizzcup. Naniwa won one of those tournament. Naniwa won his spot, and GOM certainly not "decided to invite him".
Same for his code S spot, like his Blizzcup spot, were the very first time since open season that a foreigner EARNED a spot in the GSL and was not invited. Unless you say MC and MMA were "invited" in code S too ?
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On December 15 2011 09:06 paddyz wrote:
If GOM want to overreact to Nani worker rushing by taking away his code S spot Sweeden could overreact back and declare war on korea. That is about as harsh a reaction imo I thought it was funny how much GOM overeacted until I thought about how hard Nani worked for that code S spot. I know what tournament i will be boycotting next year. Goodbye GOMtv ticket.
eRRRmmm...I guess cutting off your nose to spite your face FTW
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Best blog ever. Bravo. <3
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Nice post DoA, even though I want NaNi back in Code S.
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Hi, I have a question. I read in another thread [amongst the many, many threads on this issue] that Nanina did not LOSE the spot. GOM just decided not to offer it to him anymore.
I'd like this clarified. Because if he had no vested right to it, just an expectation, then the whole thing is moot, and a lot of this discussion is just misdirected anger.
I don't know what to believe. I wish I knew Korean.
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Really good write up. I think one of the things that should be limelighted is that Korean progamers want to win first and foremost, but even if they're playing meaningless matches, they'll still put on a good show. I guess Naniwa and a lot of foreign fans that are defending Naniwa don't get that.
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Very nice blog. I completely agree with everything that you said. Thanks for the insights.
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Perfect piece.
Thanks DOA.
Didn't know you were such a talented writer.
It was great that you told both sides of the story.
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Very well written, I appreciate your insight into this issue.
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On December 15 2011 06:16 Sluggy wrote:
Agree with everything except for this:
"GOMtv isn't without blame here either though. Despite how the Korean scene feels about how players should act, they should have also considered how a non-Korean player might feel in Naniwa's situation."
He acted like a child, so he is being punished like a child. Timeout sucks, but people need to be held accountable for their actions.
My point exactly. I felt what he did isn't right in my mind and that it was kind of disgraceful and shouldn't be ignored.
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Great post, even if I guess I'm a bit more dissapointed of GOMtv's way of dealing with this than you are.
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On December 15 2011 10:03 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 09:58 Taug wrote:
why can't Naniwa go through open brackets like everyone else? Why does he 'deserve' a code S spot? why not code A? oh because gom is being extra nice and trying to help the foreigners out, which ultimately helps them out. Doa, I really really liked this line.
You like it but it's false, GOM hasn't been "nice". Naniwa earned his spot and wasn't invited. In fact, he's the first foreigner to do so, every other player that won this spot was korean. Good article DOA, but your reasoning includes "GOM decided to invite Naniwa", so I think it's flawed. GOm didn't decide anything, they gave a list of tournament from which winners would gain a spot in the blizzcup. Naniwa won one of those tournament. Naniwa won his spot, and GOM certainly not "decided to invite him". Same for his code S spot, like his Blizzcup spot, were the very first time since open season that a foreigner EARNED a spot in the GSL and was not invited. Unless you say MC and MMA were "invited" in code S too ?
I think the point is that GOM has been nice to foreigners so there is no reason to bring in the race card. Naniwa got 3x code A spots, and now foreigners are being seeded directly into the up and downs without having to play code A, and 0 foreigners made it to the up and downs after playing the ro48. They also gave 2 spots to foreigners.
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Wow Doa you just gained a fan. Maybe some of the teens and kids reading this will learn a little bit about maturity, responsibility, and professionalism from reading your post.
The only point I disagree with is that GOM did anything wrong at all. The tournament format was intended to show as many matchups as possible. As a professional, Naniwa had a responsibility to play it out. It's not "just a game" anymore when sponsors and fans are paying to watch you perform. If someone can't handle the additional responsibility of being a professional, then don't be a pro-gamer.
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