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Doa's take on the Naniwa/GOMtv situation.

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DoA
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 20:06:04
December 14 2011 20:04 GMT
#1
Hey guys. Normally I don't get involved in this stuff, but I felt compelled to write something about this. I'd be remiss if I didn't promote my website so please click the link, but as usual I've included the full text here as well since I love TL so much.

http://www.itsgosu.com/game/sc2/blogs/naniwa-and-gomtv-cause-and-effect-101_127

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Check out Ayesee's take on the issue in his blog as well: http://www.itsgosu.com/game/sc2/blogs/growing-pains-why-naniwa-and-gom-are-both-wrong-but-for-different-reasons_128

I don't normally speak publically about these types of issues. I'm making an exception to my rule on this topic since it's one I feel I've got an insight on that a lot of people don't have. I've worked with GOMtv for most of 2011 and I've also lived with and gotten to know Naniwa for a little while in Korea. The main intent of this piece is to help fans gain some better understanding of the perspective that both sides had on the situation, but I'm sure a bit of my own opinion is going to creep in from time to time. Here we go!

I like Naniwa. He's been fun to get to know and I've enjoyed living with him. I'm of the opinion that a lot of his BM is done more in a teasing way than with any sort of malicious intent. Maybe that's just because I felt we got along best when I BMed him back. One day at the GOM house our entire day's worth of interaction amounted to him walking up to my door while I laddered, looking me in the eye and saying "Terran Bastard". Naturally, I responded with "Protoss Crybaby" and he walked away. Neither of us were offended by the other and I think people take what he says too seriously sometimes. That said, I also think in a lot of cases he acts immaturely. He also needs to think more about how people see his actions. he needs to realize that even if he doesn't mean something in a mean way, it's still going to be seen as such because of how he does it. Being a mature adult means considering other people's feelings and viewpoints and Naniwa has a ways to go yet in that regard. I'm convinced that what he did at the Blizzard Cup wasn't intended to insult Nestea himself or the Korean player community, but the context in which Naniwa did what he did had that effect anyway, whether he meant it or not. Historically, Naniwa has been quick to criticize tournaments and his Probe rush was meant only as an "F U" to GOM. He was also dealing with the frustration of losing 3 very winnable games before that and was going into his game vs Nestea knowing that this particular game didn't have an impact on his tournament. What he failed to consider was the impact that the game has on his fans and his professionalism and now he has to deal with the fallout from that.

A lot of people have been asking the question of why that game was even played to begin with. Normally GOMtv has skipped games that have no impact on a tournament, so why play this one? To answer that question you need to look at what the Blizzard Cup is intended to be. It's a tournament, but GOMtv also saw it as a celebration of sorts of a year of great Starcraft 2 tournaments around the world. Because of that to a certain extent it was meant to be a show match as much as it was meant to be a serious tournament. In Korea a lot of emphasis is put on showing good games for the fans. You hear the players talk about it all the time. At its core the GSL is a television show as well. It's made to entertain first and foremost. GOMtv planned on all the games being played because of the great matchups it would provide for fans. Who wouldn't want to see Naniwa vs Nestea after what happened at MLG? I don't think anyone would have predicted both of them to go 0-3 by the time they got to their match. In fact I suspect GOM put their match near the end in order to guild a bit of hype during the show as well and keep it as a game people could look forward to. In a normal tournament scenario I doubt the game would have been played, but in this case GOM wanted to give their fans all the good matchups they could. That's why the match was played. Whether it should have been played is entirely different debate and not one that I'll get into here. I personally feel that while it certainly didn't need to be played it wasn't wrong of GOM to do it. There certainly is a bit of culture clash involved though in that decision by GOMtv. Naniwa is playing with the western mentality that largely puts an emphasis on match results while GOM and Nestea are operating on a mindset that puts an emphasis on showing your skill for the fans even if you don't personally gain anything from it. It's up to the reader to decide which you favor.

So Naniwa throws his game with a Probe rush. Let's firstly establish that fact that he clearly threw the game. Saying "oh, but working rushing IS a strategy" doesn't work here. Naniwa boxed his workers and A-moved them across the map. If you look at the VOD you can even see him take his hand off the mouse and rest his chin in it after he does it. He didn't micro or do anything even remotely resembling playing the actual game so let's not kid ourselves and say it was a "valid strategy". Be serious, people. He did a long-form version of hitting F10 and then N as soon as the game started and nothing more. How do you think that looks to GOMtv? They invite this guy to come and play and he repays them with this. The big issue here is that I don't think Naniwa realized what a big honor he was being given by being invited to the Blizzard Cup. He certainly didn't deserve it more than anyone else. HuK won an MLG too and has been much more successful in the GSL overall. MarineKing came in 2nd in multiple GSLs throughout the year and won other tournaments. I'm sure I could find more examples. What I'm saying is that there were other people out there that deserved his spot as much as he did, but GOM chose to give it to him. They saw that he was popular with the foreign fans and I happen to personally know that (up until now anyway) the leadership at GOMtv actually liked him. His spot in the Blizzard Cup was a gift and in their eyes he basically threw it back at them by refusing to play his match. Of course they're going to be furious. Unfortunately Naniwa either didn't understand the impact of his decision, or did and forgot about it because of his emotions. GOMtv isn't without blame here either though. Despite how the Korean scene feels about how players should act, they should have also considered how a non-Korean player might feel in Naniwa's situation.

So that brings us to the consequences. GOMtv has decided that Naniwa is going to lose his Code S spot for next season. I won't try to play it down by saying things like "He's not banned so it's not that bad!". It's pretty serious. Naniwa did work hard for that spot and it's unfortunate that he lost it. GOM is perfectly justified in their decision though. Naniwa did break the GOMtv's interpretation of their rules of the tournament. Even if he wasn't aware of it or didn't intend to, he did disrespect his opponent and the GSL. If you're going to play in someone's event you have to play by their rules. Simply put; it's their event so my interpretation or your interpretation of those rules doesn't matter. If you want to challenge those rules you need to be aware of the right time and the right place to do that. It was fine for Naniwa to be upset about having to play what was in his mind a meaningless game. It was not fine with GOMtv, however, in the way he expressed his unhappiness. Despite this punishment, I doubt that this will be the last we see of Naniwa in the GSL. To me he seems way to dedicated to improving and staying in Korea to leave after this. Clearly GOM doesn't want to just get rid of him completely either although he may find it difficult to stay in a Korean pro-gaming house for a while. I'm sure the Startale coach is taking some flak for having him there. I'd imagine GOMtv would even let him stay in the GOM house if he wanted to remain in Korea and needed a place to crash.

I grew up with the motto "It's not whether you win or lose. It's how you play the game." I spent a lot of my time as a kid playing both team and individual sports and I do know how Naniwa feels. I don't need to know it in the context of Starcraft to relate to it and neither do you. We've all been in situations in a sports competition or elsewhere in life where we were expected to do things we didn't want to do for other people. Doing those things without letting our emotions take over and cause us to stop thinking rationally is part of being a responsible adult. Unfortunately what Naniwa did was selfish and immature. You might think it seems cool or something to be a rebel and "stick it to the man" or whatever, but in the end you accomplish a lot more of your goals in life by being nice working with people than against them. That's not my opinion. That's just fact. If Naniwa would have played the game and then spoke with GOMtv afterwards about it we'd have gotten to see a possibly great game and we'd still have Naniwa in Code S. A lot of times when I told people I was living with Naniwa the common response was: "Oh man. He's a jerk. That must suck." I always defended Naniwa and told them that I thought he'd begun to mature a lot since coming to Korea and I liked living with him. I really felt that way too so it's a bummer to see this happen.

Ultimately this should be a learning experience for both sides. GOMtv has had a habit for quite a while of not being as considerate towards the feelings of foreigners as they should and hopefully this will show them that there are real consequences to blindly assuming everyone will immediately assimilate to the Korean mode of thinking. On the flip side I hope Naniwa takes a hard look at how little he considers the feelings of others and realizes that it's caused problems for him in the past and it will continue to do so until he grows up a bit. If both the leadership of event organizations and the players consider each other's views than there's no reason why we can't have a lot of great tournaments in the future.

Thanks for reading and I encourage both Naniwa and GOMtv to contact me if there's anything they want to add to this.
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shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
December 14 2011 20:07 GMT
#2
On the Internet, everyone is going to try to illuminate their own interpretations and sense of justice over everyone else's, but in the end it's GOM's house, GOM's rules, and it's not completely unjustified that they removed Naniwa's Code S seed. People can argue all they want about what true ESPORTS justice is, but taking the cultural context in which the decision was made, you really can't undo the decision.

Nice article DoA, I obviously agree with it a lot.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 14 2011 20:13 GMT
#3
Good read. I really have nothing else to say, good read.
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Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
December 14 2011 20:15 GMT
#4
I'm super glad that all of the professional casters like you and show hosts have been super reasonable and rational about this whole debacle. You guys are really the ones who lift StarCraft 2 above the hordes of vocal idiots who give their opinions without thinking things through at all.
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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
December 14 2011 20:27 GMT
#5
Good read. Very reasonable.
kierpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States757 Posts
December 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#6
Great read, DoA.
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
December 14 2011 20:34 GMT
#7
Well said. It's the most mature post anyone has said about the issue and I wholeheartedly agree with it.
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Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
December 14 2011 20:37 GMT
#8
Nice write up, I agree with what you have said totally. It has to be said as well that even his own team was hyping the game on twitter prior to it being played, in that regard he let his team down severely as well.
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I really wish I could read more posts like yours and less kids raging saying things like "GG Gomtv I wont be buying a pass" or having the audacity to publicly declare that they want their money back for a pass that they have already bought.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 20:39:45
December 14 2011 20:38 GMT
#9
Really nice explanation of everything from a perspective most people would not know. Thanks for sharing this.
iCCup.Nove
Profile Joined March 2010
United States260 Posts
December 14 2011 20:41 GMT
#10
This is one of the first articles I actually agree with 100%. Who else would know Naniwa better than someone who lives with him? Excellent excellent read, thank you.
Thojorin
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany162 Posts
December 14 2011 20:43 GMT
#11
I generally agree with you. This "wakeup call" to act professional in order to promote and strengthen the picture of e-sports has been long overdue in my opinion. It is of course unfortunate for Naniwa to be the scapegoat here, and i hope he can learn from it - playing strength is not everything.
I am however very irritated that this message is made almost meaningless by inviting Idra instead - a player who behaves correctly to the tournament hoster, but who as well has no intent whatsoever to play for the fans or respect his opponents.
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0800
Profile Joined December 2011
United States11 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 20:45:42
December 14 2011 20:44 GMT
#12
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.

Edit: and just to be sure, of course what Naniwa did was not professional but once again, you have to see this from a company's point of view. You do not react like GOM reacted. Totally unprofessional.

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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 14 2011 20:45 GMT
#13
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.


I don't even know what to say to this. Did you even read the full blog?
Apocalyptic
Profile Joined July 2010
United States131 Posts
December 14 2011 20:46 GMT
#14
GREAT post Doa - I had gotten tired of reading rage posts from either side so this really comes as a breath of fresh air.
"Some people are like a slinky, not really good for anything but they still manage to bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs"
mki
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Poland882 Posts
December 14 2011 20:48 GMT
#15
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.

Edit: and just to be sure, of course what Naniwa did was not professional but once again, you have to see this from a company's point of view. You do not react like GOM reacted. Totally unprofessional.


I'm pretty sure he knows the companies (GOM's) point of view. They probably explained their point of view personally to him as he works for them. A general rule of thumb is not to dismiss a well written argument or explanation provided by a party which has accomplished more than you in the topic at hand.

Now, I don't know you so you might be extremely accomplished or knowledgable on GSL's actions and doings but.... yeah.
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LunaSaint
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom620 Posts
December 14 2011 20:49 GMT
#16
Great post - very agreeable and well thought out. It's good to have some insight from someone who spends time with him, too.
Anuzi
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
192 Posts
December 14 2011 20:54 GMT
#17
Thanks Doa
lee365
Profile Joined December 2010
United States448 Posts
December 14 2011 20:54 GMT
#18
Thats most likely the best statement from someone not directly involved in the situation, and I agree with it completely.
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Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
December 14 2011 20:56 GMT
#19
They should sit down, Gom should offer him his seed back on the grounds that he publicly apologizes for throwing such an important game (important to Gom that is, not to the tournament) and that he wont do that sort of thing in the future. If he does then give him his seed back. This way both sides have an option to save face, look professional, and also make all sides relatively happy with the outcome.

To just kick him from the Code S and to post about it in an insulting manner just makes Gom look about as professional as Nani to me. Ive been a long time purchaser of GSL but I'm honestly boycotting this season because as others have said, this just comes across as emotional and arbitrary. Obviously you feel it is within the rules and Gom isn't being unprofessional Doa and I respect that view, I just don't share it.

The opportunity to work this out rather than just cut him from the Code S seems the least useful action to take in my opinion. There are a lot of other ways to go about this and Gom chose the least of those options.
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Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
December 14 2011 21:03 GMT
#20
On December 15 2011 05:44 0800 wrote:
DoA i like you and your casting, but this blog post shows no logical thinking on your side. There is no point in this blog post.
Talking about Naniwa's character and mentioning a lot of the stuff you mentioned is absolutely irrelevant.

I think a lot of people are missing the main issue here which is caused by GOM's arbitrary decision.
They acted as an emotional individual rather than a professional company and they did apply a double standard, and that cannot be accepted in a serious professional environment.
This is why a lot of people are disappointed by GOM, talking about Naniwa's personal behavior is totally irrelevant and shows that you as well, are completely lacking the main point here I am sorry buddy.

Edit: and just to be sure, of course what Naniwa did was not professional but once again, you have to see this from a company's point of view. You do not react like GOM reacted. Totally unprofessional.



I just read all your posts and every single one of them is either inflammatory, incoherent, or both; it usually takes a thread a good few pages after one of your posts to get back on track to intelligible discussion.

Nice blog DoA. I appreciate your thoughts especially given your close relationship with both parties involved.
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