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So, I'll make this short, but I had a teacher that was really like, a rough teacher, yelling at everyone, complaining about style of your code (Comp Sci) and stuff like that.
I got a 0 on the first two assignment because of very harsh stuff on his part, then I got 100% on the rest of the assignments.
I got 66% on both tests.
I end up the semester with 75%.
Now, keep in mind that he did not give us any feedback on our grades until today, other than "you failed this assignment" or "you got an acceptable style I'll mark this assignment". Half the class failed, the other half passed. But I'm shocked that I managed to pass this class, I thought for sure with all the yelling I received that if I passed, it would be with a 60 or something.
Kind of just wondering at this point, have you guys ever had similar experiences? Where with a normal teacher, you would've barely passed, but with this one teacher, you didn't know where you were standing and end up doing pretty well for what information you had?
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Lol I had the opposite before, thinking I did well but I got a low grade.
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United States5162 Posts
The teacher wouldn't explain what he didn't like even if you asked him?
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Grades often end up surprising me. In elementary school we had one course that I aced. It was done one year before elementary school was done but then when we got our final grades from elementary school, my teacher had lowered my grade to barely passed even though we hadn't had any more lessons for the last year or so.
I had a teacher who lost my exam in high school and told me he'd judge that part of the course on my activity on previous lessons. I thought I was screwed since I had slept through the course but apparently he graded it as good-very good.
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Sounds like a teacher you should have reported. Setting up your students to fail is never an acceptable teaching style and only reflects on how poor the teacher is when half of the class doesn't learn an adequate enough amount of material to pass.
I had a professor once that would insult students and never give a grade higher than a C on any assignment unless you figured out what mysterious tangents he wanted you to go on in your papers. Even if you covered every single topic in great detail that was outlined on the course syllabus the best you could get was a C. He was an asshole that tried to use the "college is supposed to be hard" excuse for having a shitty teaching method. He lasted about four weeks before we reported him and he got canned.
Just because you're a student does not mean you have to put up with bullshit.
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Are you 8? I had this with every teacher I've ever met! lol
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One of my profs gives grades for hw based on check, check + and check -, and hw is worth 65% of our grade -.-
I basically have no idea what letter grade I'm going to get.
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He is tenured, right? This sounds like a tenured professor.
Anyways, I think the class average was way too long because of the "harsh" (this is debatable though; many new students are really bad on programming style... yes even you may be bad), so he decided to bump everyone up a little bit.
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Some teachers just have incomprehensible grading...I've had teachers that give me high grades and no comments on work I thought was shoddy, teachers who were extremely picky and tore apart my paper but gave a good grade anyway, and teachers that were intentionally harsh graders on work that I thought was perfectly fine... for people like this, with such a confrontational style but gives you a good/decent grade, I just take it as a stroke of good luck and move on
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Well, my teacher always shit on everyone for not paying attention or whatever. So, you'd be listening, then randomly he'll yell at you to answer one of his questions. 90% of the class would freeze because they were scared to have the wrong answer, etc... Then at least everyone failed at least one assignment, almost no one got over 70% on the test, yet everyone who managed to make it through the whole semester managed to pass.
I was in shock to know that he would adjust the % of all the assignments to make sure everyone had the most optimal grade despite making this class a living hell. (No one was looking forward to go to his class)
On December 01 2011 03:56 Sufficiency wrote:
He is tenured, right? This sounds like a tenured professor.
Anyways, I think the class average was way too long because of the "harsh" (this is debatable though; many new students are really bad on programming style... yes even you may be bad), so he decided to bump everyone up a little bit.
I'm not sure if he's tenured or not, never really cared.
Well, we all used to programing style that we were taught during the first year. But now he just told us to flush it out the window, but never telling us exactly why.
First assignment he told us "don't be too wordy with your comments" 0/5 for style.
Second assignment "What's with all those blank lines? Code should never have any blank lines except for the closing braces" (Which we were taught to always put braces on their own line, put a blank line when you're doing something else) 0/5 for style
But on top of that, if you needed at least 6/10 for style and your flow charts/walkthroughs combined, so if you had 0/5 on style, you got up to 5/20.
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Is this at high school or university?
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its in CEGEP, so... University.... Kind of?
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Germany2896 Posts
I found grades at school pretty straight forward. But in university it's just a lottery.
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Something to note about comp sci in general, if this was programming 1 or programming 2 equivalents then they are weed out courses. Meaning the teachers are going to be exceptionally hard on students in those courses to weed out any one who won't be able to make it through the rest of the curriculum. I had the same teacher for a senior level course and programming 2, he was a complete hard ass in programming 2 and a super awesome guy in the senior level development course. So keep that in mind as well.
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My programming 1 and 2 were jokes for me, they really just held your hand the whole way... This class is called Algorithm and Design, while there was a little bit of hand holding, the teacher probably just made it his duty to weed out the weaker students, I guess. He's really the only one that tried to make you think programming is hard.
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I would be interested in seeing some of the assignments you guys got. Are you able to post some of the problems/questions/project/tests he gave you?
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On December 01 2011 04:28 reallogic wrote:
Something to note about comp sci in general, if this was programming 1 or programming 2 equivalents then they are weed out courses. Meaning the teachers are going to be exceptionally hard on students in those courses to weed out any one who won't be able to make it through the rest of the curriculum. I had the same teacher for a senior level course and programming 2, he was a complete hard ass in programming 2 and a super awesome guy in the senior level development course. So keep that in mind as well.
I wish my teacher did this. He keeps being way too nice to people, when they cant even do basic shit. So in out class about 60% of the students had no idea about even the most basic programming (defining variables or whatever, stuff you learn on the first day). That was first semester, now we're in the third and we're down to 4 students from 20. Yea, 4 students, it's kinda awkward at times.
But yea grading programming can be pretty strange. My teacher only grades on functionality the semester, and after that he starts to look at the more "complex" things. But it is astounding how many people just cant figure out the basic stuff. It's not like (basic) programming is very hard or anything, but some people just arent cut out for it. So i think that it's a good idea to weed out students for classes like that.
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Sounds like all my professors. Sometimes you get a bad draw -- someone who doesn't tell you what the hell you did wrong and marks you down, in which case it's your job to ask him during office hours or something -- and sometimes you do well and don't even know what you did right to warrant your grade. Ah, well. College professors are a bit weird like that; too much time with their heads stuck in the clouds. (Joking, but I feel there's definitely a disconnect between professors and their students; it's like they've forgotten what it's like to be in school.) Grad students are more clear-cut in what they expect from you, IMO.
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United States5162 Posts
On December 01 2011 05:21 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 04:28 reallogic wrote:
Something to note about comp sci in general, if this was programming 1 or programming 2 equivalents then they are weed out courses. Meaning the teachers are going to be exceptionally hard on students in those courses to weed out any one who won't be able to make it through the rest of the curriculum. I had the same teacher for a senior level course and programming 2, he was a complete hard ass in programming 2 and a super awesome guy in the senior level development course. So keep that in mind as well. I wish my teacher did this. He keeps being way too nice to people, when they cant even do basic shit. So in out class about 60% of the students had no idea about even the most basic programming (defining variables or whatever, stuff you learn on the first day). That was first semester, now we're in the third and we're down to 4 students from 20. Yea, 4 students, it's kinda awkward at times. But yea grading programming can be pretty strange. My teacher only grades on functionality the semester, and after that he starts to look at the more "complex" things.
You'd like the professor I had for Structural Analysis(engineering class). One time after a guy asked a stupid question he just looked at him with a 'son I am disappoint' face, turned back towards the dry erase board, and continued the lecture without saying a word.
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On December 01 2011 05:26 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 05:21 Deadlyfish wrote:On December 01 2011 04:28 reallogic wrote:
Something to note about comp sci in general, if this was programming 1 or programming 2 equivalents then they are weed out courses. Meaning the teachers are going to be exceptionally hard on students in those courses to weed out any one who won't be able to make it through the rest of the curriculum. I had the same teacher for a senior level course and programming 2, he was a complete hard ass in programming 2 and a super awesome guy in the senior level development course. So keep that in mind as well. I wish my teacher did this. He keeps being way too nice to people, when they cant even do basic shit. So in out class about 60% of the students had no idea about even the most basic programming (defining variables or whatever, stuff you learn on the first day). That was first semester, now we're in the third and we're down to 4 students from 20. Yea, 4 students, it's kinda awkward at times. But yea grading programming can be pretty strange. My teacher only grades on functionality the semester, and after that he starts to look at the more "complex" things. You'd like the professor I had for Structural Analysis(engineering class). One time after a guy asked a stupid question he just looked at him with a 'son I am disappoint' face, turned back towards the dry erase board, and continued the lecture without saying a word.
Yea i love those kinds of teachers. I hate teachers who, when asked a completely stupid question, tries to answer it the best they can instead of just saying "that was a fucking stupid question, and it didnt make sense".
Or when a student gives a completely wrong answer and one that doesnt make any sense and the teacher just awkwardly goes along with it like "yea.. you might... be on the right track...." and then picks someone else. And then the shitty student wont think about it anymore, instead of actually being told he is wrong.
Seriously, there were people in my class who in the third semester still had trouble making get/set methods in java. wtf.
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Its funny though even if the weed out works people still slip through the cracks and don't know wtf they are doing. I've been working in industry now for just under 4 years and I met a guy, mind you he no longer works for my company, who didn't know the difference between the length and the upperbound of an array... so even when you do have teachers who are using the introductory courses to weed out students properly, people who are not qualified still get through.
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I had a math teacher who's final exam's grade would overwrite your previous exam's grades, but only if it was higher.
Ex:
1: 70% 2: 70% Final: 80% -> Total: 80%
or
1: 100% 2: 100% Final: 0% -> Total: 60%
I didn't do the first 2 exams, did the final and got 85%.
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On December 01 2011 05:37 reallogic wrote:
Its funny though even if the weed out works people still slip through the cracks and don't know wtf they are doing. I've been working in industry now for just under 4 years and I met a guy, mind you he no longer works for my company, who didn't know the difference between the length and the upperbound of an array... so even when you do have teachers who are using the introductory courses to weed out students properly, people who are not qualified still get through.
University/college is just a business, they try to milk everyone's money in first year and go from there.
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A 0? omg what did you do?
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On December 01 2011 08:06 firehand101 wrote:
A 0? omg what did you do?
I handed in the code, he didn't approve of my comments and thought I had too many blank lines (Even though he never told us anything about blank lines) so he didn't grade the rest.
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my fucking history professor is a complete dick with grading this semester. basically there are 4 homework assignments due throughout the semester each having 3 essays worth 15 pts total.
ok so i did 3 essays half-assed in like 3 hours, and i got 12/15. i didn't put much information and he had written what i should have added etc.
next packet i did 3 great essays, and i wrote 1770-1780 (meaning the years) or some shit instead of 1775-1780 on one of the essays, NOTHING ELSE on any of the other ones, and i get a fucking 13/15.
like what the fuck?
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Yeah I go to a university and I've had a couple really weird professors.
One of them was absolutely insistent that things were done her way... and you're probably thinking of the standard stuff like using their methods or whatever but that wasn't even it.
One time I wrote ".5 theta" instead of "1/2 theta"... got 0 points for that whole question. I went and talked to her about it (calmly lol) and she said "I don't like your presentation" and stormed out on me. Very strange... and I continued to get weird point deductions for about two weeks... and then it stopped for some reason and I got ~98% on every assignment/test after that.
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