EPTWhy Broodwar was and always will be special - Page 2
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
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N3rV[Green]
United States1935 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On November 30 2011 09:08 Torte de Lini wrote: yay! I love BW :3! I like how the feeling that we can play even more refined seems possible and yet, requires a large amount of effort! I wish the engine was updated though ): thought you were a bw fan until I read the last part anyway, your wish is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316 | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On November 30 2011 08:16 firehand101 wrote: Its called nostalgia man, we all have it for some games  This will be special to you, but me never playing BW i cant really say how epic it was. When SC3 comes out I will be nostalgic for this game and my children will be for SC3, and so forth. What makes a game special is not the game itself, but the community around it and the memories it gave you. I really enjoy reading these threads, because I think this is the aim of games in general, to give awesome memories like this Fuck nostalgia, if the game's good it's good. If it's, bad, it's bad. I started playing BW seriously in 2009 and I have never played a game that comes close to it. I wasn't part of a community, didn't even go to TL. The game will live forever in my memory because the game is amazingly beautiful, not because of a community or because of nostalgia. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
okok, but yeah brood war is amazing, but we got 1a deathball ok lol. i watched you play a few games, oh how i wish we had spider mines in SC2. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
I love being in full control of my army again and not feeling lazy. | ||
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don_kyuhote
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Kfish
Chile282 Posts
We played 2v2 on hunters and LT. best. time. ever. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 30 2011 11:57 Kfish wrote: I got a sort of "internship" at a software developing small company and the second day in they gave me a beer and a pendrive with bw on it and said, its time to play. We played 2v2 on hunters and LT. best. time. ever. Sounds like you landed a good internship.  | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On November 30 2011 08:51 ShatterZer0 wrote: My friend asked me what playing SC:BW was like in FPS terms... WASD move your shooter 10 pixels per tap, up/down/left/right move your targeting reticule 1 pixel per tap, reloading only happens after you type the full name of the weapon... and often your gun jams and to unjam it you have to spin around in a full 360 and finish reloading at the same time. And that's to be proficient. He said I was screwing with him... then I let him play 10 games on ICCUP... He recanted. LONG LIVE BROODWAR Best description ever. Except, of course, it is more fun than it sounds. I've only played some of the campaign because I was too young when BW was popular and I don't think I have the time to dedicate to proper multiplayer BW, but just playing the campaign once in a while and watching the big games gives me nerd chills. | ||
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monty
United States38 Posts
On November 30 2011 08:51 ShatterZer0 wrote: My friend asked me what playing SC:BW was like in FPS terms... one word - Quake | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On November 30 2011 08:22 blubbdavid wrote: Exactly. Try it out guys, download the multiplayer edition here for free: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_start.html , then buy it. Says someone who has never played BW  That's why he knows it's just nostalgia, because he's looking at it from an unbiased viewpoint. As someone who watched a crap-load of Broodwar, but never actually played it......it's a great game, seemingly designed for competition. But it really is NOT that special of itself. What made it special was the community and amazing players playing it. As far as I'm concerned, as an avid watcher of both SC1 and 2, what SC2 is missing is not, "micro-intensive units", and "balance", and etc. What it's missing is 5+ years of the best of the best playing it. TOP level players still make so many mistakes, and miss so many opportunities for great moments it still kind of baffles my brain. I would have thought that with BW as its predecessor, SC2 would be much farther advanced in micro and multi-tasking than it is now. I still see the "best of the best" ending up with queens with 3/4 full energy......Ts stimming 30 marines to kill 3 mutas.....Ps having maxed chronoboost on all nexus......Forgetting upgrades......Forgetting to add production buildings/hatches to hotkeys, etc. I think the problem with SC2's "easier" mechanics, is players get lazy with them. Blink micro is a perfect example. I KNOW Ps can do better than what they are doing now with blink micro, and keeping zealots in front. I was watching an IGN game last night between Grubby(maybe?) and someone, and it was literally the first time I have ever seen blink micro that really impressed me. And it still wasn't exactly optimal. I saw another "pro" try to blink a large group of stalkers off of a ridge, and performed the bronze level mistake of not shift clicking them off, and having 5 stuck on the high ground to get raped by zerglings. And those stalkers made zero difference to the game's outcome. Until the game is refined enough to where losing 5 of your 20 stalkers can be game ending, then it's WAAAYYYY too early to be calling a game out for "not enough skill required" and such. | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On November 30 2011 22:03 Sm3agol wrote: That's why he knows it's just nostalgia, because he's looking at it from an unbiased viewpoint. Dude, he is coming from SC2, do you call that unbiased? | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On November 30 2011 22:03 Sm3agol wrote: That's why he knows it's just nostalgia, because he's looking at it from an unbiased viewpoint. Yeah. You know the story of that critic who said he did not read the book to avoid being biased ? | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On November 30 2011 08:16 firehand101 wrote: Its called nostalgia man, we all have it for some games This will be special to you, but me never playing BW i cant really say how epic it was. When SC3 comes out I will be nostalgic for this game and my children will be for SC3, and so forth. What makes a game special is not the game itself, but the community around it and the memories it gave you. I really enjoy reading these threads, because I think this is the aim of games in general, to give awesome memories like this. BW will never live forever in my heart, but it will in yours and I respect that I appreciate you're trying to sound respectful and understanding, but BW was a pretty fucking special game. Take the community out of it and take the memories out too. Break it down and the core game is my current measurement of perfection (apart from Maelstrom; wish DAs were more accessible !). | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On November 30 2011 22:22 corumjhaelen wrote: Yeah. You know the story of that critic who said he did not read the book to avoid being biased ? Yeah exactly. He hasn't played the game, so it's not a question of bias, he just doesn't know what he's talking about because he has no experience. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On November 30 2011 22:22 blubbdavid wrote: Dude, he is coming from SC2, do you call that unbiased? Don't think of it as "coming from SC2". Think of it as "never actually played BW back in the day". SC2 has little to do with it, tbh, they are aren't mutually exclusive. Nostalgia is a powerful thing. It's the reason all the old people are always saying things like "back in my day kids didn't behave that way", etc, despite the fact that kids did very much behave that way back in the day, etc. It's the reason you, as a long time player, can't christen it as the most special game ever/best game ever/etc. You've been playing it forever, and you only remember the good memories when you go back and play it. When you play it now, all the annoyances/retardation is a non-factor. You're so used to it that it doesn't even enter your mind. You know your builds down to the last mineral and know exactly what your units are going to do when you order them. You know your favorite player almost as well as he knows himself. You aren't looking at it objectively, you're looking at it based on your slightly warped view of it. I kind of feel the same way about a few other games. Halo CE comes to mind. I played the ever-loving crap out of it, and still think it is far superior to any console FPS made now. But going back, and trying to show it to younger friends who haven't ever played it, I realize that what made it special was watching Ogre1 duel it out with some of the other Halo CE legends for the first time...LAN parties.....amazing shots....first MLGs.....rocket only mayhem on Derelict....etc. My friends enjoy it, but it definitely isn't "special" to them. Their special game will probably be their first CoD:MW/Halo 3/etc. Don't get me wrong, it IS an amazing competitive game, but what makes it "special" is the nostalgia, not the game itself. Same with BW. It IS an amazing game, but there's nothing "special" about it that separates it from other amazing games like CS/Quake/etc.. It's your nostalgia that makes it special. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Why? Because BW pro scene is alive and well and he's actually playing the game. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On November 30 2011 23:31 Itsmedudeman wrote: Dude wtf? NOSTALGIA HAS EXACTLY 0% TO DO WITH IT Why? Because BW pro scene is alive and well and he's actually playing the game. Lol? Nostalgia has nothing to do with it? Are you telling me that if you took someone who had never played or heard of any competitive game, and you made him sit down and watch/play BW, CS, Quake, SC2, and CoD for hours a day, for a solid year, he would be immediately and especially drawn to BW? I don't believe that for a second. If nostalgia had nothing to do with it, then the BW scene would be still be growing, not very slowly dying(and it is). I have been involved in just about every major competitive game ever played. CS, CSS, SC2, BW, Quake, WC3, Halo, etc. Some playing, some just watching. I got into BW right after SC2 was announced, and basically devoured it for a year or so. It was great, it was fun, I enjoyed it a lot. But it wasn't "special", not any more than any other long-term competitive game. If any game was special to me, it was Quake 3, and I never even played it until QL came out, but I was basically a pro by that time, I had watched so many matches. | ||
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