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Croatia9490 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:08 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 23:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Dude wtf? NOSTALGIA HAS EXACTLY 0% TO DO WITH IT
Why? Because BW pro scene is alive and well and he's actually playing the game. Lol? Nostalgia has nothing to do with it? Are you telling me that if you took someone who had never played or heard of any competitive game, and you made him sit down and watch/play BW, CS, Quake, SC2, and CoD for hours a day, for a solid year, he would be immediately and especially drawn to BW? I don't believe that for a second. If nostalgia had nothing to do with it, then the BW scene would be still be growing, not very slowly dying(and it is). I have been involved in just about every major competitive game ever played. CS, CSS, SC2, BW, Quake, WC3, Halo, etc. Some playing, some just watching. I got into BW right after SC2 was announced, and basically devoured it for a year or so. It was great, it was fun, I enjoyed it a lot. But it wasn't "special", not any more than any other long-term competitive game. If any game was special to me, it was Quake 3, and I never even played it until QL came out, but I was basically a pro by that time, I had watched so many matches.
You're misusing the word 'nostalgia'. Nostalgia is when you're longing for the past and that's clearly not the case with OP. I think you ought to find some other word. I suggest 'magic'.
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=) Oh the satisfaction of blowing several damaged tanks with a single scarab... Brood War Forever.
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On December 01 2011 00:08 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 23:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Dude wtf? NOSTALGIA HAS EXACTLY 0% TO DO WITH IT
Why? Because BW pro scene is alive and well and he's actually playing the game. Lol? Nostalgia has nothing to do with it? Are you telling me that if you took someone who had never played or heard of any competitive game, and you made him sit down and watch/play BW, CS, Quake, SC2, and CoD for hours a day, for a solid year, he would be immediately and especially drawn to BW? I don't believe that for a second.
You're homogenizing human beings. A persons ability to become attached to something lies in their ability to appreciate what is going on and enjoy it, not relating to the amount of time they are exposed to it.
For me, the most exciting and enjoyable things in all of gaming are found in BW and are directly related to the game and it's mechanics; not from an experience I had. From that point of view, I'd argue that BW is a very special game. You may think differently of course
Communities exist because of the game they came from. To have a great community, you NEED a great game. Else it is all false.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50104 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:16 2Pacalypse- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 00:08 Sm3agol wrote:On November 30 2011 23:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Dude wtf? NOSTALGIA HAS EXACTLY 0% TO DO WITH IT
Why? Because BW pro scene is alive and well and he's actually playing the game. Lol? Nostalgia has nothing to do with it? Are you telling me that if you took someone who had never played or heard of any competitive game, and you made him sit down and watch/play BW, CS, Quake, SC2, and CoD for hours a day, for a solid year, he would be immediately and especially drawn to BW? I don't believe that for a second. If nostalgia had nothing to do with it, then the BW scene would be still be growing, not very slowly dying(and it is). I have been involved in just about every major competitive game ever played. CS, CSS, SC2, BW, Quake, WC3, Halo, etc. Some playing, some just watching. I got into BW right after SC2 was announced, and basically devoured it for a year or so. It was great, it was fun, I enjoyed it a lot. But it wasn't "special", not any more than any other long-term competitive game. If any game was special to me, it was Quake 3, and I never even played it until QL came out, but I was basically a pro by that time, I had watched so many matches. You're misusing the word 'nostalgia'. Nostalgia is when you're longing for the past and that's clearly not the case with OP. I think you ought to find some other word. I suggest 'magic'.
lol I remember the last time someone argued about the magic.
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5/5 luckystar. very well written i actually read the whole thing :p
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One of the rare games people seem to like the retarded glitches o.o lol
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I think most people actually hate the retarded glitches. But because they exist throughout the game and everyone deals with them and in the end it helps make the game more balanced, people appreciate it.
I'm raging and hate glitches when my building scv floats around inside a finished factory and prevents me from building my machine shop for 5 seconds at the 4 minute mark but when that scarab does no damage during his reaver drop at 9 minute mark it's the best game ever.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50104 Posts
On December 01 2011 01:17 LuckyFool wrote:
I think most people actually hate the retarded glitches. But because they exist throughout the game and everyone deals with them and in the end it helps make the game more balanced, people appreciate it.
I'm raging and hate glitches when my building scv floats around inside a finished factory and prevents me from building my machine shop for 5 seconds at the 4 minute mark but when that scarab does no damage during his reaver drop at 9 minute mark it's the best game ever.
obs over turrets were lol,thank god its banned.
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On November 30 2011 22:03 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:22 blubbdavid wrote:Exactly. Try it out guys, download the multiplayer edition here for free: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/sc_start.html , then buy it. On November 30 2011 08:16 firehand101 wrote:Its called nostalgia man, we all have it for some games  ... ....What makes a game special is not the game itself, but the community around it and the memories it gave you..... Says someone who has never played BW  That's why he knows it's just nostalgia, because he's looking at it from an unbiased viewpoint. As someone who watched a crap-load of Broodwar, but never actually played it......it's a great game, seemingly designed for competition. But it really is NOT that special of itself. What made it special was the community and amazing players playing it. As far as I'm concerned, as an avid watcher of both SC1 and 2, what SC2 is missing is not, "micro-intensive units", and "balance", and etc. What it's missing is 5+ years of the best of the best playing it. TOP level players still make so many mistakes, and miss so many opportunities for great moments it still kind of baffles my brain. I would have thought that with BW as its predecessor, SC2 would be much farther advanced in micro and multi-tasking than it is now. I still see the "best of the best" ending up with queens with 3/4 full energy......Ts stimming 30 marines to kill 3 mutas.....Ps having maxed chronoboost on all nexus......Forgetting upgrades......Forgetting to add production buildings/hatches to hotkeys, etc. I think the problem with SC2's "easier" mechanics, is players get lazy with them. Blink micro is a perfect example. I KNOW Ps can do better than what they are doing now with blink micro, and keeping zealots in front. I was watching an IGN game last night between Grubby(maybe?) and someone, and it was literally the first time I have ever seen blink micro that really impressed me. And it still wasn't exactly optimal. I saw another "pro" try to blink a large group of stalkers off of a ridge, and performed the bronze level mistake of not shift clicking them off, and having 5 stuck on the high ground to get raped by zerglings. And those stalkers made zero difference to the game's outcome. Until the game is refined enough to where losing 5 of your 20 stalkers can be game ending, then it's WAAAYYYY too early to be calling a game out for "not enough skill required" and such.
The community and amazing players would not have existed were the game itself not special. End of story.
Besides, I hardly think you're qualified to tell everyone that loves Brood War that they're idiots if you've never even played the game yourself.
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On December 01 2011 00:43 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 00:08 Sm3agol wrote:On November 30 2011 23:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Dude wtf? NOSTALGIA HAS EXACTLY 0% TO DO WITH IT
Why? Because BW pro scene is alive and well and he's actually playing the game. Lol? Nostalgia has nothing to do with it? Are you telling me that if you took someone who had never played or heard of any competitive game, and you made him sit down and watch/play BW, CS, Quake, SC2, and CoD for hours a day, for a solid year, he would be immediately and especially drawn to BW? I don't believe that for a second. You're homogenizing human beings. A persons ability to become attached to something lies in their ability to appreciate what is going on and enjoy it, not relating to the amount of time they are exposed to it. For me, the most exciting and enjoyable things in all of gaming are found in BW and are directly related to the game and it's mechanics; not from an experience I had. From that point of view, I'd argue that BW is a very special game. You may think differently of course Communities exist because of the game they came from. To have a great community, you NEED a great game. Else it is all false.
I guess what I need to clarify is.....are you people saying it's special as in no other game has that "magic", or are you just saying it's "magical". If you're saying the former, I will absolutely argue about it until I'm blue in the face, because it annoys me. If the latter, then, well, I'm not arguing it isn't an amazing game. I'm just saying it is just one of several "magical" games, one of which is SC2.
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On November 30 2011 08:16 firehand101 wrote:
Its called nostalgia man,
why do people even say this? if you didn't realize, you can still play bw. if you didn't realize, there were proleague matches JUST YESTERDAY.
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I don't know how some people can still be missing the point.
To end Sm3agol's tirade: it's magical. There is nothing nostalgic about LuckyFool's rant. Our community is very much alive. Hell, the first week of Pro League has been absolutely explosive with cute games. We're living in the present; not the past.
So your rant is unnecessary and this has nothing to do with SC2.
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BW was awesome. The skill requirement was just SOOOO HIGH.
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On December 01 2011 03:46 Diglett wrote:why do people even say this? if you didn't realize, you can still play bw. if you didn't realize, there were proleague matches JUST YESTERDAY.
There were Quake tournaments last week too. Doesn't mean the game isn't basically living on it's name and legacy right now.
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When all is said and done why does it even matter? The point is the game is still being played and is still a ridiculously amazing game.
For a game to even have a legacy means something right?
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Canada11335 Posts
On December 01 2011 00:08 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 23:31 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Dude wtf? NOSTALGIA HAS EXACTLY 0% TO DO WITH IT
Why? Because BW pro scene is alive and well and he's actually playing the game. Lol? Nostalgia has nothing to do with it? Are you telling me that if you took someone who had never played or heard of any competitive game, and you made him sit down and watch/play BW, CS, Quake, SC2, and CoD for hours a day, for a solid year, he would be immediately and especially drawn to BW? I don't believe that for a second.
I have no idea about the others, but in regards to BW- yes absolutely. BW was not my childhood game. I tried it once in junior high and found it too confusing. Plus I hated non-Star Wars sci fi. Warcraft 2 and Age of Empires 2 were the two RTS's I loved.
I first played BW in 2007 when in university and I still wasn't convinced. But after 10 or so LAN comp stomps, I was won over and have since improved substantially have yet to find an RTS that will match it. Even going back to my old games that I should find nostalgic, I don't like them near as much. It's magic. There's really nothing more to be said.
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On December 01 2011 05:19 Sm3agol wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 03:46 Diglett wrote:On November 30 2011 08:16 firehand101 wrote:
Its called nostalgia man, why do people even say this? if you didn't realize, you can still play bw. if you didn't realize, there were proleague matches JUST YESTERDAY. There were Quake tournaments last week too. Doesn't mean the game isn't basically living on it's name and legacy right now.
Wrong, even in this time bw is so much bigger than sc2 right now. Actual companies unrelated to gaming sponsor bw teams, players are treated as celebrities, fan showings at events are massive and make dreamhack look small in comparison. Sure, the amount and diversity of sc2 players is greater right now, but it is still a niche group while bw has become mainstream in korea. Sc2 is actually really small right now... Ask a korean off the street who flash or jaedong is and then ask them who is nestea or mvp.
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Even regardless of the proscene i'd still play the game though. I was never a huge 1v1 player but playing random in Hunters and 2v2 will literally never get boring to me. I've not even played other games for years.
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I've been on a BW kick the last couple days. I'm pretty terrible, and I dropped from the number 4 spot in my masters division because of it, but good God it's such an amazing game.
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5/5 from me ^^ welcome to the broodwar scene .
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