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Jonas :)
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States511 Posts
November 28 2011 01:23 GMT
#21
Focus less on "I need to be playing quicker" and more on "what do I need to be doing?" It is OK to lay down some force fields, go back to your base and warp in units and then go back to the fight. We're not all Liquid`Hero, we can't be everywhere at once. You can easily get to masters with less than 70 APM.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
November 28 2011 02:32 GMT
#22
Sounds like you're cheesing a lot? 4 gate warp prism and 5 gate all in? I'm not saying cheesing is a bad way to play when an opponent who overbuilds on defenses kind of scrapes you later on.

The biggest ways to get better are to
1. Scout better. You should know everything that could be thrown at you at as many different points in time as possible.
2. Expand the scope of your play. (I hate saying macro better because it literally means 15+ different things) You game plan should involve either a supremely crisp 2 base push, or 3 base outlines. By this I mean you should have a good idea of when you can afford an expand based off of x gateways/tech paths. Your game plan should be very well thought out and planned. Are you going colo? Double forge? Templar tech? When do you get buildings? If zerg gets a fast 4th, should you expand again or chrono a lot of units and attack? There are 20+ questions to ask yourself and figure out.

To compare, when you look at a set of pvts, and your pre-game plan was colosses, every game should start falling into a category, and games in that category should look mirror. That is, for me, a terran player, my tvps against a player who goes 1 gate, expand, 6:30 robo,(finishing at 7:20) into collosses look damn similar. By the 15-16 minute mark, I know exactly how many rax, ccs, starports i have, as well as how my upgrades are doing and such.

tl:dr, Assuming you're capable of a perfect 10:00 game(the end result is optimal/close to it even if x occurs), you should aim to be capable of a perfect 20:00 game.
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
November 28 2011 02:35 GMT
#23
im a macro player =p as a terran what I do is just fast expand and work on spending my resources and stuff from there on, as someone stated earlier the game changes as you progress up. Remember to always scout though thats key you can keep that multitask up its really easy =)! Also if you lose dont quit just hit find game again keep playing over and over, if you lost a longer game to something other than cheese then analyze the rep.

basically FE your heart out like i do ahahaha
troi oi thang map nai!!!
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
November 28 2011 02:46 GMT
#24
It's actually quite simple - your APM is too fast - that means you're focusing on doing fast things but then missing key elements. Concentrate on playing right, rather than fast.
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 04:55:24
November 28 2011 04:53 GMT
#25
On November 28 2011 09:58 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 07:57 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On November 28 2011 06:47 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 28 2011 06:29 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On November 28 2011 06:21 Sfydjklm wrote:
Also a lot of people claim the right way to practice is to try to get everything down perfectly starting at early leagues and even if it takes you longer you're better in the long run.
I think that's extremely wrong assumption and you should recognize the pattern in gold player's style and abuse it as hard as you can. The game changes completely several times on the way to the top so whatever you learn in gold will generally be less relevant in masters. Not to mention that the game is new enough for new strategies to pop up every couple of weeks possibly making what you learned as "the proper way to play" improper


I do agree with abusing the way people play in lower leagues (the "wrong" ways, aka inefficient) but (correct me if you aren't) I would not support adapting just to win vs X skill/league just because the metagame will always be different as you get better. If you truly have a great game sense, you should play the way pros do and also learn how to punish the lower leagues' mistakes.

You're right but the gaps between Masters, top 8 masters, top 50 GM, top 20 gm, top 10 gm, pro, etc are HUUUUGE.
Scaling the gap between me and Idra takes a lot more effort then scaling the gap between me and #100 bronzie.
Basically the way i feel everything below top 8 masters is "throw-away" and you should try to get there asap to get at least in the ballpark of proper play.


Oh, I see the point you're making. Because you won't actually be able to practice against good opponents to actually learn the "proper" ways, you shouldn't focus on things ahead of your time, you mean? I can see that. I guess if you don't have friends or practice partners or clannies etc. that can help you then it is an option. But if you watch pro games I think you could still focus on things like macro, cus even if your opponents play badly you are improving on macro which will help later when you can focus on decision making / game sense.

But macro doesnt really exist in a vacuum. You macroing depends on how well you defend against attacks.
But i'm not saying don't macro, i'm saying dont worry your pretty little head with playing perfect off the bat. Pick a pro strategy to copy and do it every game until you get bored to the best of your ability.


This pretty much. Macro is much like any qualitative-aspect based hobby - it's based on conscience. There should always be that nagging feeling of "have to go back, make stuff". The more you have that feeling, the better you get at macro.

As for messing up, you gotta take it in stride. Keep your head in the game and also know what it means to do this build at this stage of the game against your opponent's build. What are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to make sure this hits them in the gut so they can't recover? How sustainable is your economy? Is it meant to transition into a safer build or into a contain? If you know this ahead of time for sure, then you can just be like "shit I lost this, well I can use X to make up for that" and get to your goals anyways. If you don't have a goal and you get derailed it's like "fuuu what the hell do I do now" which leads to snowballing.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 04:55:05
November 28 2011 04:54 GMT
#26
On November 28 2011 13:53 ymir233 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 09:58 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 28 2011 07:57 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On November 28 2011 06:47 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 28 2011 06:29 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
On November 28 2011 06:21 Sfydjklm wrote:
Also a lot of people claim the right way to practice is to try to get everything down perfectly starting at early leagues and even if it takes you longer you're better in the long run.
I think that's extremely wrong assumption and you should recognize the pattern in gold player's style and abuse it as hard as you can. The game changes completely several times on the way to the top so whatever you learn in gold will generally be less relevant in masters. Not to mention that the game is new enough for new strategies to pop up every couple of weeks possibly making what you learned as "the proper way to play" improper


I do agree with abusing the way people play in lower leagues (the "wrong" ways, aka inefficient) but (correct me if you aren't) I would not support adapting just to win vs X skill/league just because the metagame will always be different as you get better. If you truly have a great game sense, you should play the way pros do and also learn how to punish the lower leagues' mistakes.

You're right but the gaps between Masters, top 8 masters, top 50 GM, top 20 gm, top 10 gm, pro, etc are HUUUUGE.
Scaling the gap between me and Idra takes a lot more effort then scaling the gap between me and #100 bronzie.
Basically the way i feel everything below top 8 masters is "throw-away" and you should try to get there asap to get at least in the ballpark of proper play.


Oh, I see the point you're making. Because you won't actually be able to practice against good opponents to actually learn the "proper" ways, you shouldn't focus on things ahead of your time, you mean? I can see that. I guess if you don't have friends or practice partners or clannies etc. that can help you then it is an option. But if you watch pro games I think you could still focus on things like macro, cus even if your opponents play badly you are improving on macro which will help later when you can focus on decision making / game sense.

But macro doesnt really exist in a vacuum. You macroing depends on how well you defend against attacks.
But i'm not saying don't macro, i'm saying dont worry your pretty little head with playing perfect off the bat. Pick a pro strategy to copy and do it every game until you get bored to the best of your ability.


This pretty much. Macro is much like any qualitative-aspect based hobby - it's based on conscience. There should always be that nagging feeling of "have to go back, make stuff". The more you have that feeling, the better you get at macro.

As for messing up, you gotta take it in stride. Keep your head in the game and also know what it means to do this build at this stage of the game against your opponent's build. What are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to make sure this hits them in the gut so they can't recover? How sustainable is your economy? Is it meant to transition into a safer build or into a contain? If you know this ahead of time for sure, then you can just be like "shit I lost this, well I can use X to make up for that" and get to your goals anyways. If you don't have a goal and you get derailed it's like "fuuu what the hell do I do now" which leads to snowballing.


Fuuu mods delete please
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
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