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My view on Providence

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turkit
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Ireland67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 20:01:43
November 22 2011 19:55 GMT
#1
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This post is going to be full of spoilers fair warning given TY :D

So to start out i feel that praise needs to be given to the staff at MLG. The production values of Providence were fantastic, maybe the best for MLG to date, downtime was minimal which lets be honest is always a big plus, they provided much more filler content which makes me so glad i dont have to look at the crowd for 20 minutes at a time anymore, no offence guys , and lag/technical issues didn't seem to exist. So a big hearty congrats to all of you for the fine job that you did making this national championship a thing to be proud of. Roll on 2012 and some even more amazing tournaments. Cheers Sundance, heres to you not ruining E-sports.
So to analise the tournament is no mean feat when u consider the amount of games played this weekend. So to sum it up quickly heres.......

MLG Providence by numbers

Prize pool 120,000

Total players 272
Protos 78
Terran 75
Zerg 98
Random 2
Number of notable Koreans 29
Of which first time participants 6 (including Leenock)
Games played by winner Leenock 41
Leenocks winnings 50,000
And his winnings per games played (just for a laugh) 1219.51
Number of places paid 8 (sucks to finish 9th, poor MMA)

I hope this can give a little bit of a overview of the tournament. I had hoped to include things like attendace and viewer numbers bit i cant find them, if anyone can find/provide that info pls post it below or PM me and i will include it in the OP.


Now down to the fun bit my thoughts on the event.
So i pondered for a bit on how to start this, and i felt the logical decision was at the finish. A great finals it was atleast in my opinion. I have been trying to decide if it was the best grand final to date, but since i didnt see the earlier MLG's i wont go into that. Leenocks win i feel wasnt expected by many, at the very least i didnt expect it at all, and the poll in Day 3's live report thread says it all.
Poll: MLG Providence National Champion
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NaNiwa (174) 29%
HuK (79) 13%
MVP (69) 11%
Other (60) 10%
MC (59) 10%
DRG (42) 7%
IdrA (36) 6%
HerO (26) 4%
MMA (19) 3%
NesTea (19) 3%
MarineKing (18) 3%
PuMa (3)0%
604 total votes


Even if Leenock got all of the 60 votes for "other" thats still only 10 % of people believing he would win. So i ask you is it fair to say this has been a cinderella story for leenock??
Maybe. Sure he has been in and around the GSL since Janruary but his time in Code S has never been overly succesful, with his strongest finish being a spot in the Ro8. Probably his best results in the GSL came in Code A where he advanced to the semi's on two occasions before falling to Losira and MarineKing. A 16 year old picking up a check for 50,000 dollers, at his first maror foreign tournament no less .With this in mind where do you stand on this being Leenocks cinderella story? I have no problems saying it. I AM JEALOUS. But we cant take away from his success, cinderella story or not this has been a great win for the young man and long may his success continue if it is meant to be.

So to step back and analise the tournament as a whole where does E-sports stand. Well the final 8 contained only 1 terran along with 4 zergs and 3 protos. Does that mean the long standing terrans are op still stands? Or have the other races figured out how to beat terran? Were terrans just unfortunate this event? Were Leenock and Naiwa just too good for the rest? I dont think one tournament can truely answer any of these questions but i do hope that balance, which i hope is number 1 on Blizzards list is starting to be settled. But like i say 1 tournament cant answer that. When we look through the results at the end of December for this past year will we have a equal split of tournament wins for each race? Will the Korean Vs Foreigner "gap" be closed? Who can truely claim to be the best player in the world right now? Nothing is certain in this exciting world we live in. This game is ever changing and peoples opinions are changing just as fast. Throughout my entire time (short time i admit) observing E-sports i have heard many statments made "X race is op", "Koreans are too good", "Foreigner training sucks", "Foreigners are lazy" ect ect. We need to think about the big picture here, SC2 is only just over a year old, this game has sooo much growing up to do yet. Not only that but the playing community and fane have growing up to do with this game. As this game gets figured out we can do it together as a community. It has 2 expansions of changes to come, along with countless balance patches so i plead with the community be patient. This game is just an infant, and anyone with a infant knows, they dont really behave how u would like. Give SC2 time, it will grow up.
Dam i went off topic there

Ok back to Providence.
The games were sooooooooo good. I mean really good. Ok the live chat elephant in the room should be spoke of i guess, and that is that day 1's games werent of the highest quality, as sooo many people made a point of pointing out. But my opinion of that is simple, it was day 1, the event has seeding and really no major games were going to happen for the 1st few rounds and when we did get 2 major players to spectate, LiquidHerO and SlayerSPuzzle did not disappoint. It was a fantastic PvP and a series i highly reccomend you go back and watch if you have the time. Game 3 was especially wonderful even if it was a short game i was so impressed with how effective Heros warp prism 4 gate was.

Day 2 and Day 3 were lets be honest here FUCKING STACKED! The games were amazing. So many great games were played, and all i can wish for, that would have improved it was more games. I honestly dont think i watched a single game that i found boring. It was so impressive to me how all the players really did bring their A game. But for a shot at 50K would they bring anything else.

Surprises
The player whos results impressed me the most was Haypro. I like many others if i am honest questioned his ability. I wont deny it, why would i. He proved me wrong and i couldnt be happier to say he made me eat my words. Sure he lost his opening game to some 16 year old kid Leenock (i know i heard that name somewhere) but to then come through the lower bracket beating illusion, SeleCT, KiWiKaKi, NesTea who many believe has the best ZvZ in the world and he pushed Mvp all the way in game 3. I actually feel that he should have won that game, only he didnt realise just how far ahead he really was. But hey he pushed the best terran in the world all the way in a Bo3. Thats something anyone can be proud of. (Is haypro the cinderella story......?)

This has already gone way off topic and longer then i planned so just to wrap it up. My 2 cents on how MLG can improve their product is honestly just more interviews. I am sure you are working your asses off to get us the games as quickly as you can and for that I thank you. So really what i would love as filler content is interviews with players and casters. Anything that gets their views on games played/casted and anything that can just give good content for us nerds watching at home is always appreciated. Hell it doesn't have to be a mad E-sports personality like day9, doing the interviews, even something like your beta streams with community people doing the interviews would be amazing. :D hell id do it.....well living in Ireland, ain't going to happen. (Sundance. MLG to Ireland???)
Thank you to anyone that decides to read this. And feedback would be most appreciated as I don't tend to post very often. Feedback especially form mods on how to improve this would be amazing. post or pm me guys :D
ty all
turk
edit: also gotta say ty to liquipedia without which most of the stats i couldnt have got, keep up the good work over there guys

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btw i cant spell for shit pls excuse me


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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
November 22 2011 20:08 GMT
#2
I'm not sure I'd call leenock at this mlg a cinderella story tbh. I think a lot of people have stopped watching GSL and that may be the reason people found themselves surprised at his success, but leenock has shown like every month since the first gsl's that he's able to consistently beat code S players, and that makes him a clear favourite against any foreigner.

I don't think I've seen leenock in an international tournament before, it's possible that this sort of format suits him better than GSL which is obviously immensely different.
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
November 22 2011 20:11 GMT
#3
Was a great mlg so many story lines from naniwa taking on nestea/mvp to haypro's eventual semi breakout. I called at the start of the weekend to my friend that leenock would make a sick run but i didn't think he would win just due to the way the brackets work favoring previous mlg attendees, i felt the finals were lacking a bit with all the rushes but leenock was exposing naniwas greedy openers on sub optimal maps (xel naga ffe for example) and im a believer of do what you need to do to win.

Overall great weekend had me shouting at my laptop at like 1am most nights :D
turkit
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Ireland67 Posts
November 22 2011 20:28 GMT
#4
hifriend
I'm not sure I'd call leenock at this mlg a cinderella story tbh. I think a lot of people have stopped watching GSL and that may be the reason people found themselves surprised at his success, but leenock has shown like every month since the first gsl's that he's able to consistently beat code S players, and that makes him a clear favourite against any foreigner.

I don't think I've seen leenock in an international tournament before, it's possible that this sort of format suits him better than GSL which is obviously immensely differen

Ya this was his 1st international tournament which in itself is a win to be proud of, and really me asking who was the cinderella story was just me trying to start up a conversation on who everyone felt deserved that reference. good point on the format, really could make a difference


nekuodah
Was a great mlg so many story lines from naniwa taking on nestea/mvp to haypro's eventual semi breakout. I called at the start of the weekend to my friend that leenock would make a sick run but i didn't think he would win just due to the way the brackets work favoring previous mlg attendees, i felt the finals were lacking a bit with all the rushes but leenock was exposing naniwas greedy openers on sub optimal maps (xel naga ffe for example) and im a believer of do what you need to do to win.

Overall great weekend had me shouting at my laptop at like 1am most nights :D

i totally agree with u leenock abused naniwas greedy openers, and man i feel u, im in same time zone as u i was doing my best to stay quiet during games lol



ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
November 22 2011 20:56 GMT
#5
If Naniwa built more cannons he would have won!

All ins in most of the finals games were pretty disappointing If it was a random zerg I would call them skill-less newbies but Leenock is damn good
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
discodancer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States280 Posts
November 22 2011 20:58 GMT
#6
Haypro is too ancient to be cinderella.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 21:08:56
November 22 2011 21:05 GMT
#7
On November 23 2011 05:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
If Naniwa built more cannons he would have won!

All ins in most of the finals games were pretty disappointing If it was a random zerg I would call them skill-less newbies but Leenock is damn good



False. I'm not going to repeat it. If you want answers to what happened read the LR Day 3 thread from the last 15-20 pages and hopefully you'll get a better understanding of what really transpired.

On November 23 2011 05:58 discodancer wrote:
Haypro is too ancient to be cinderella.


Yup, he's tried tested and proven warrior from BW where he had just as many ups and downs. HayprO has had decent results at MLGs. The surprise comes in the fact he had MVP on the ropes and beat many solid players in the loser brackets including NesTea. No small feat.

Illusion did pretty well for himself this MLG too.
turkit
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Ireland67 Posts
November 22 2011 21:11 GMT
#8
On November 23 2011 05:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
If Naniwa built more cannons he would have won!

All ins in most of the finals games were pretty disappointing If it was a random zerg I would call them skill-less newbies but Leenock is damn good

while all ins are disappointing we have to consider that leenock knew naniwa was being too greedy and wanted to punish him
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
November 22 2011 21:14 GMT
#9
On November 23 2011 05:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
If Naniwa built more cannons he would have won!

All ins in most of the finals games were pretty disappointing If it was a random zerg I would call them skill-less newbies but Leenock is damn good

I expected naniwa to build like three preventive cannons in the last game or something, but meh. Sometimes when mind games completely fail, the player ends up looking very silly.
turkit
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Ireland67 Posts
November 22 2011 21:23 GMT
#10
On November 23 2011 06:05 StarStruck wrote:
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On November 23 2011 05:56 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
If Naniwa built more cannons he would have won!

All ins in most of the finals games were pretty disappointing If it was a random zerg I would call them skill-less newbies but Leenock is damn good



False. I'm not going to repeat it. If you want answers to what happened read the LR Day 3 thread from the last 15-20 pages and hopefully you'll get a better understanding of what really transpired.

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2011 05:58 discodancer wrote:
Haypro is too ancient to be cinderella.


Yup, he's tried tested and proven warrior from BW where he had just as many ups and downs. HayprO has had decent results at MLGs. The surprise comes in the fact he had MVP on the ropes and beat many solid players in the loser brackets including NesTea. No small feat.

Illusion did pretty well for himself this MLG too.
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oh ya illusion is a great choice for it
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