• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:32
CET 14:32
KST 22:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced12[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge2
StarCraft 2
General
BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest RSL Revival: Season 3 Tenacious Turtle Tussle [Alpha Pro Series] Nice vs Cure $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Which season is the best in ASL? soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread The Perfect Game Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2402 users

Abandon ship, or "when a game dies"

Blogs > ionize
Post a Reply
ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
November 15 2011 21:35 GMT
#1
I love Unreal Tournament. I really do and I always will ...

But the active Unreal Tournament community is so small. If you want to find a game it can take hours sometimes. And that is something that really bumps me up. I mean, I got restricted time and I want to spend it playing and not waiting for an opponent and then maybe have one or two games within two hours. This is really frustrating.

The alternative to that would be to leave Unreal Tournament for good, but I got my clanmates and some of my friends there and they keep me around. I don't want to quit, but I don't want to waste my time waiting for half a dozen games per night. That's a waste of my time, to be honest.

What do you do when you love a game so much you want to keep on playing forever, but it won't work that easy?

***
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
November 15 2011 21:41 GMT
#2
that's a really tough situation, on one hand you might want to quit but by quitting you know you will hurt the community and help it die or die faster

I say keep playing it, can't you afk and do other things while you wait?
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
November 15 2011 21:46 GMT
#3
There is only one solution to that kind of problem. Help promote the community. You love the game? Then start getting players, write a massive blog about why you love it, talk about it to your friends, go to whatever websites discuss the game and rally activity.

Good games die when people let them die, not a moment before. As long as you have passion for something, actively fight for it.
Moderator
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 15 2011 21:54 GMT
#4
I apologize if this comes across as tasteless but if leaving hurts the community significantly, wouldn't that mean the community is already nearly gone?

I would.. try to organize nights with your clan mates. Good luck. It's hard to give up on things and it's even harder for me to kick sand in your face. I hope it gets better.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
November 15 2011 22:09 GMT
#5
felt the same about wc3 a few years ago. all that is left are hackers and dota players. was really sad.
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
November 15 2011 22:44 GMT
#6
This is pretty much how i felt when L4D died. Some of my best moments ever in gaming came from really close games with 3 bros vesus another high level team.
It got to the point where you either played with people who had just bought the game because it was cheap as hell and didnt know wtf a hunter was, much less how to block one when it really counted, or with elitist kids who said "UMAD?" or similar in chat the whole time. Pretty much the worst community ive come across.
I still pick it up for a game every now and then, but every time i do i get reminded why i gave it up.
Sad though, in its prime it was an amazing game. Unfortunately sometimes its better to just find something new than to press on with a game thats not fun anymore.
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
November 15 2011 23:24 GMT
#7
I went through this once before, way back when Rakion was around. I used to love 1v1 and it was plagued by pay for power, but I still loved it. And I even fared well against some competitive players such as LadyTribes and YZK. And I didn't have any "power items"(items you buy with real money) and I still faired well against them. But all the good players left, and barely anyone plays anymore . It sucks, but you either try and promote community and share it, let it go, or continue onwards on this path sad path of waiting for games .

Eve online FC, lover of all competition
BobTheLob
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada362 Posts
November 16 2011 00:12 GMT
#8
heh i still play MOHAA and COD:UO and I feel your pain but be optimistic get a few friends and just introduce them to the game play with them and maybe they will show others and so on and so on its what i did with COD:UO and when all my friends are on thats what were playing we still use TeamSpeak 2 to chat and old All Seeing Eye to find games. dont give up!
BobTheLob Lurker extraordinaire
AwfulPlayer
Profile Joined August 2010
249 Posts
November 16 2011 01:06 GMT
#9
clanbase still organises cups quite often for ut99 & 2k4. you can participate there with your team. for ictf & itdm there are still like 20-30 teams signing up on a regular basis. sadly it's not like a couple of years ago where there were like nearly 80 signups. dont know for normal weapons though, insta forever
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 04:59:08
November 16 2011 04:58 GMT
#10
20-30 teams still sounds really good, perhaps low but not yet dangerously low -- and yea good idea Probe1, you guys have to organize and make things efficient, limit waiting times by organizing times to play at instead!
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
November 16 2011 06:14 GMT
#11
On November 16 2011 06:46 GMarshal wrote:
There is only one solution to that kind of problem. Help promote the community. You love the game? Then start getting players, write a massive blog about why you love it, talk about it to your friends, go to whatever websites discuss the game and rally activity.


I feel like that applies more to newer games. Sure, you can get your friends into it. I for one, got into SSBM really late and Dota really late, and I enjoyed them greatly with my close group of friends. But when a game has been around for a while its hard to generate excitement for it amongst the community. From my experience, when players start getting bored of a game its hard to get them back.

I empathize with you though OP. I hate the feeling of playing a dying game. It just feels lonely. Even when there are many other players still playing it, if it is in decline it is hard for me to play. I typically switch to another game when one starts fading. It sounds like your problems are more practical though. Having to wait too long for matches? I don't know if there is much you can do to fix that unless you have friends to play with.
=)=
ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
November 16 2011 06:50 GMT
#12
Thanks for the support guys.

I have to add some more information, because of some of your comments. My clan JallaHabbibbi!!! and I are always participating in the current ClanBase season. We're one of the last clans to really pick up every mod and we're quite successful. Our team grew big over the last years and we got 27 members total, of which around ten are active. But that doesn't help much, as we all grow older and got more and more obligations in real life. We meet a few times per week and we got planned games when we got clanwars, but apart from that I can only play with some of my friends (mostly former clanmates and people I know for years) or randoms and public games (which I hate to do).

I promoted the community in 2009 and 2010. I became a cup supervisor at ClanBase and hosted one cup, supervised another three through two season and even did some quick cups (mini format which runs for one week only). Additionally I tried to help with the clanmanagement in one of my former clans (Xecution Unit) and did some shoutcast (i.e. TDM finals 2010). All in all I gave 100%, as far as I had time. And still I have to admit one thing: It is really tiring to promote and work more than for the game than playing it. The benefits were there, but after about half a year I started to loose focus. People often don't appreciate your work the way you want it to.

Here are some references to my story:
Jallahabbibbi!!! Clanpage: http://clanbase.ggl.com/claninfo.php?cid=1767932
Jallahabbibbi!!! Awards: http://clanbase.ggl.com/claninfo.php?cid=1767932&awards=1
UT 2v2 TDM nw Cup http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=10267
Test Cup 2v2 TDM nw http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=10204
UT TDM OpenCup Spring 2010 http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=10434
UT TDM OpenCup Fall 2010 http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?lid=11232
One of my shoutcasted games http://clanbase.ggl.com/news_league.php?nid=344065&lid=10434

And if you want to know more about my UT background read my story here: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=211053
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
leser
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia239 Posts
November 16 2011 08:36 GMT
#13
i was sad when i left q2. still regret it, but all of my friends left the game so it just wasn't as fun anymore :/

i played it for like 8-9 years. to this day a painful melancholy comes by every time I remember the good times spent on this game. I hope id software gets their shit together and makes a good fps game me and all my bros can play again together.
lulz
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 16 2011 09:08 GMT
#14
What is UT3 like? Should I even bother buying it with a small community? I love the UT series but switched to Quake when things were going downhill.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
heynes
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany201 Posts
November 16 2011 09:24 GMT
#15
I still miss quakersnet#1 cpma ca
o god those were the best times having cpma ca clanwars.
brichals
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany50 Posts
November 16 2011 15:03 GMT
#16
I fear that this will happen to Dawn of War 2: Retribution. Skyrim, MW3 etc. has hit it quite hard recently. It's an excellent game just badly marketed over the years and it's a very steep learning curve. Oh well, I hope it can stay alive until DoW3 or maybe HotS will fill a gap for a while.
Heeeeerre come the BANELINGS!
ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
November 16 2011 17:14 GMT
#17
@Torte de Lini UT3 is just different. They gave the game a pretty dark look, a total contrast to the bright UT2004 and the sharp UT99. The sounds are so so and the gameplay is outright horrible in my opinion. If you like shock you will hate UT3, if you like rockes it's better to play UT2004 and flak is horrible. The main problem though is that EPIC failed to catch the communities attention. It's promotion kind of failed and only the Titan Patch was supposed to make a difference. By then the esport community went back to QL or warsow and the diehard fans (like I am) returned either to 2004 or 99. I don't recommend to buy UT3.
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Playoffs
SHIN vs ReynorLIVE!
TBD vs herO
Solar vs TBD
WardiTV955
TKL 329
IndyStarCraft 241
Rex131
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 329
IndyStarCraft 241
Reynor 222
Rex 131
MindelVK 28
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 60896
Sea 9604
Rain 2429
Horang2 1517
Soma 751
actioN 701
Larva 604
BeSt 531
firebathero 416
Rush 276
[ Show more ]
hero 275
Barracks 153
Last 148
Hyun 132
zelot 130
Sharp 86
Mong 84
JYJ58
sorry 40
Noble 30
Shinee 27
ajuk12(nOOB) 19
Terrorterran 17
IntoTheRainbow 11
Dota 2
Gorgc5397
singsing2628
XcaliburYe361
Counter-Strike
x6flipin752
zeus379
Other Games
B2W.Neo1674
crisheroes290
Fuzer 281
DeMusliM257
Hui .240
KnowMe29
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick758
StarCraft 2
CranKy Ducklings183
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream101
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 30
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 41
• Michael_bg 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV595
League of Legends
• Jankos3113
Upcoming Events
3D!Clan Event
28m
3DClanTV 52
BSL 21
6h 28m
Hawk vs Kyrie
spx vs Cross
Replay Cast
10h 28m
Wardi Open
22h 28m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
StarCraft2.fi
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 10h
Wardi Open
1d 22h
StarCraft2.fi
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
StarCraft2.fi
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo League
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-28
RSL Revival: Season 3
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.