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shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
November 15 2011 05:11 GMT
#21
I don't think the subtitles need to be 1:1, at least in the first trial. Someone can just highlight points the commentators make in very brief sentences, and maybe act as the third text commentator.

An example, Day[9] goes on a little digression by saying how getting a gas at a certain timing is optimal for Zerg on this map yadda yadda. The typist would simply write "This gas timing is optimal for Zerg on this map" or something.
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Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
November 15 2011 05:14 GMT
#22
Ridiculously hard to manage in 'real time' and almost impossible to implement. A nice idea however.
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svefnleysi
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland623 Posts
November 15 2011 05:16 GMT
#23
The thing about automatic subtitles and SC2 casts is there are soooo many words and phrases (not to mention player names) specific to our community that would get totally butchered by any automatic subtitles. Probably to the point that reading the subtitles would only confuse you more than not having them at all.

Improving it so that it could be useful for SC2 would require a ton of work. Hiring a really fast typist familiar with SC2 for live transcription of casts would probably be the easiest step for organizations like MLG.
Dotrar
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia46 Posts
November 15 2011 05:16 GMT
#24
I'm partially Deaf and i think this is a great idea just in general.

we should start out with Vods really. Live broadcasts would be way too hard with the change in topics so fast.
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
November 15 2011 05:17 GMT
#25
On November 15 2011 13:47 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Hey everyone,

I'm about to go to sleep and just wanted to ask a question. How much effort do you think it would be to put subtitles in casts? I wonder how much it would cost MLG to just add on the stream subtitles? I suggest this for those who can't watch with sound on, or for people who are deaf. Anyway, this isn't too much of a poll or a question, but I'd really like to see something done on this matter.

I don't really see any reason why there isn't some sort of Subtitles already on most casts. If its expensive I can understand it. Even on streams I wonder if there is a way to add a subtitle feature? I guess I need to talk to Twitch.tv about it as well. I know youtube has some sort of instant subtitling that is done automatically. Something like this would really help out those who can't hear casts.

Is this something that you think is important community? Or would we rather wait a while on this and work on other things first? I'm honestly curious how all of you feel this rates up there. I'd really like to see this implemented ASAP in most big tournaments. Lets spread our product out and this sort of thing will really appeal to a certain crowd.

Anyway.. TL:DR "Subtitles for deaf people and those who just enjoy subtitles. How important to you and should big tournaments use them? For example MLG."

I only ask this, because I've never heard or thought about this, but someone PM'ed me asking me to bring up this subject because they are deaf. Now I think its a valid concern. Thoughts?


really good point, hopefully something can be done.
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svefnleysi
Profile Joined March 2011
Iceland623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:18:55
November 15 2011 05:18 GMT
#26
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
November 15 2011 05:18 GMT
#27
I agree that the best bet would be to put them on VODs.. It wouldn't be exactly same, but man, that would be one hell of a step
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Shonks
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2 Posts
November 15 2011 05:19 GMT
#28
I think it's a great idea.

That being said I have no idea how difficult/expensive it would be to implement it, but I'd love to see some captioned action.
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
November 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#29
Idt voice recognition software would work well for this like it does on many youtube vids, because all of the starcraft terminology and jargon would likely throw it off.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
November 15 2011 05:30 GMT
#30
Well it couldn't possibly hurt to try on vods. Would be nice for an established tournament to try it and see the community response of it.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:33:13
November 15 2011 05:32 GMT
#31
On November 15 2011 13:50 flamewheel wrote:
I'd be a fan. I used to watch movies and TV shows with the old CC captioning, even if it was slightly delayed. No hearing problems or whatsoever... I just enjoy reading.


you were just jealous their voices were never horse



what i really want to see is the youtube auto subtitle technology used that shits hilarious. obviously proper subtitles for deaf people too
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
November 15 2011 05:33 GMT
#32
On November 15 2011 14:23 ClysmiC wrote:
Idt voice recognition software would work well for this like it does on many youtube vids, because all of the starcraft terminology and jargon would likely throw it off.

Couldn't you just add in as much starcraft vocab as possible into the database? There aren't too many words.

Also I think this would be possible for a fast typist to do live, I realise it is a difficult task, but it is possible. I'm a really slow typist and I've sometimes relayed what commentators are saying to my friends via msn or something when their net can't stream.

If people remember, for a brief period of time, there was a user called "abascus" who live translated the korean commentators for bw in stream chats. If someone can do that while translating, I don't see why someone who knows about starcraft and can type fast couldn't do this.
Xiao KA
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark34 Posts
November 15 2011 05:33 GMT
#33
Would be wonderfull with subtitles!
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37028 Posts
November 15 2011 05:37 GMT
#34
On November 15 2011 13:53 sugatooth wrote:
The fact that there are dead SC2 fans should be enough to want to implement subtitles I expect it will be kind of tough to figure out though, especially on a live stream (I don't really know how it works on TV).


Umm..... I think you meant to say deaf?
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
November 15 2011 05:38 GMT
#35
I think it would only require someone with good fast typing skills.
Is that how it would be done? I don't think we could trust automated with excited casters etc.
How delayed is the broadcast now?
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duk3
Profile Joined September 2010
United States807 Posts
November 15 2011 05:39 GMT
#36
I would enjoy subtitles, I can't always watch with sound.
However I'm not sure how difficult it would be to integrate them into the stream and to find someone who could do these at a reasonable price.
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Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
November 15 2011 05:45 GMT
#37
One day this will happen. The next day, Klazart will come back.
Kontemptuous
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia132 Posts
November 15 2011 05:45 GMT
#38
I think it's completely possible if there are people who are willing and able to do it, and stream features that would let it work.

I remember reading this thread from a few days ago
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284166
People like FAAAwesome, and others trained in shorthand, would be who to see about live events.

It would also add more opportunities to people interested in non-game related roles in esports ^^
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 15 2011 05:48 GMT
#39
CCs happen because there are being written by a stenographer, right?
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 15 2011 06:17 GMT
#40
On November 15 2011 14:33 Suc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:23 ClysmiC wrote:
Idt voice recognition software would work well for this like it does on many youtube vids, because all of the starcraft terminology and jargon would likely throw it off.

Couldn't you just add in as much starcraft vocab as possible into the database? There aren't too many words.

Also I think this would be possible for a fast typist to do live, I realise it is a difficult task, but it is possible. I'm a really slow typist and I've sometimes relayed what commentators are saying to my friends via msn or something when their net can't stream.

If people remember, for a brief period of time, there was a user called "abascus" who live translated the korean commentators for bw in stream chats. If someone can do that while translating, I don't see why someone who knows about starcraft and can type fast couldn't do this.



subtitle typists dont type using a qwerty keyboard, they use a special keyboard where the keys represent sounds rather than letters. thats how live tv has subtitle support
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