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First blog here on TL - sweet -
Alright so I really love the 4 gate. I know a lot of people here don't like it and they get mad when they lose to it so that's why they complained and blizzard tried to fix it.
lets talk about why the 4 gate is amazing.
1. PVP (this matchup blows and neither player wants to play it) - Before.. you could just 4gate the guy and move on to abuse zergs and terrans in the next game. A 4 gate was a nice reliable way to beat 95% of the ladder and move on. Now with the new ramp changes and forcefield warp in changes its getting a lot easier for noobs to stop.
2. Getting a new account into masters league for practice (smurf, friends account, new account, etc)
4 gate was the fastest way to get a new account to master league. I mean why would you play a macro game with some gold level noob and waste 20 minutes when you could beat the guy in 5. I remember back in the day I used to 4gate kids all day. I could get a new account into masters within 20 games which would be about 1.4 hours (100 minutes).
3. 4gate stops bad players dead in their tracks. Lets be honest.. there are a lot of players in the master league that don't quite belong there. Sure they might be able to mass up armies and spend their money but they might suck at micro and have 0 multi tasking. I used to scout the stupidest plays on the way up to masters league and even sometimes within masters. Like I would see a zerg go double expand before pool/gas or I would see a terran build his CC first at the natural or I would see some protoss build a robotics facility and waste all his chrono boost. "I don't think so you noob" I would often say as I warped in my zealots to steal his ladder points. I really loved the 4 gate.
4. 4gate punishes extremely economic builds. Like those noobs that make 50 drones and have no roach warren. Yeah right buddy.. just warp in like 20 units and rape them. Sometimes you get that terran that wants to "macro up" so he builds like 3 command centers and puts 1 bunker." yeah bro.. 1 bunker isnt going to hold my all in"
5. 4 Gate guarantees that you only lose to good players. If you 4 gate and fail.. it means the enemy player was good enough to hold 4 gate.. and you shouldn't feel too bad about your loss since 95% of ladder can't hold it (this was prepatch btw)
6. 4gate holds a lot of cheesy plays. So your enemy decided to roach ling all in your 3 gate expand? No way buddy.. u just warp in mad units and rape his push. Oh look the terran decided to do some 3 rax pressure to shut down your expand. Too bad you aren't expanding.. Rape his army and win the game.
7. 4gate represents a minimalistic attitude.. you build the bare minimum (4 gateways) and spend all your money to make the most powerful timing attack you can. It makes perfect sense. To me.. SC2 will never be about raw macro since there is automining and hotkey groups for buildings. I mean a noob in the gold league can select 5 barracks and produce out of all of them at the same time.. just imagine what platinum and low diamond can do. Sc2 has made macro too easy and it has allowed unskilled players like destiny to skyrocket into GM. These guys just sit on like 2-3k minerals and try to expand everywhere while abusing some unit composition (infestor,ling- MMM viking ghost --- colossus HT Stalker ball - etc )
8. The bm. I love when other players get angry and try to find reasons for the loss. If you play a macro game and win you will usually get a GG WP at the end. If you beat some baddie with 4 gateways you will usually get some great BM like the following.
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Thx for reading. 
  
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So you're hating on Pros and claiming you can win 95% of your games by 4gating??? When are you going to Korea for the GSL?
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On November 14 2011 12:31 Pillage wrote:
So you're hating on Pros and claiming you can win 95% of your games by 4gating??? When are you going to Korea for the GSL?
Not hating on pros don't worry.. and it was a slight exaggeration.. I would say it had like 75% winrate overall prepatch.
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Why did you make this blog? You shouldn't tell everyone about your master strategy! Go win MLG with it!
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On November 14 2011 12:33 th2pun1sh3r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 12:31 Pillage wrote:
So you're hating on Pros and claiming you can win 95% of your games by 4gating??? When are you going to Korea for the GSL? Not hating on pros don't worry.. and it was a slight exaggeration.. I would say it had like 75% winrate overall prepatch.
You're hating on destiny dude why?
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On November 14 2011 12:50 Gnial wrote:
Love it
TY boss
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You make some big claims but if you had a 75% win rate pre-patch you should've been rocking up high in the ladder. And no, beating diamonds and below using a smurf account doesn't count towards that win rate. I would like to see some evidence. What's your win rate post-patch now? Maybe if you had learnt to play better you won't be so stagnant.
You also hated on players like destiny, who have accomplished far far more than you. Do I detect some jealously?
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On November 14 2011 13:09 Azzur wrote:
Voted 1/5
You make some big claims but if you had a 75% win rate pre-patch you should've been rocking up high in the ladder. And no, beating diamonds and below using a smurf account doesn't count towards that win rate. I would like to see some evidence. What's your win rate post-patch now? Maybe if you had learnt to play better you won't be so stagnant.
You also hated on players like destiny, who have accomplished far far more than you. Do I detect some jealously?
Its just a blog bro - don't gotta get mad 
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On November 14 2011 13:16 th2pun1sh3r wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 13:09 Azzur wrote:
Voted 1/5
You make some big claims but if you had a 75% win rate pre-patch you should've been rocking up high in the ladder. And no, beating diamonds and below using a smurf account doesn't count towards that win rate. I would like to see some evidence. What's your win rate post-patch now? Maybe if you had learnt to play better you won't be so stagnant.
You also hated on players like destiny, who have accomplished far far more than you. Do I detect some jealously? Its just a blog bro - don't gotta get mad
"I dont have any evidence and am actually ridiculously overestimating my skill level by using a gameplan that requires no actual cognitive faculties. - don't gotta get mad "
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It's a little absurd how much easier 4gate is to execute than it is to stop. A few weeks ago I decided to offrace Protoss for the first time in ages. Decided to 4gate without even knowing the proper build order. I think I lost my first game, then beat 3 diamond players in a row with it.
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i disagree with some things but i also really agree with you on that players seem to think that making 4 expos then pumping units is skill. they can't even hold a damn all-in then they complain that all ins are retarded and the game is stupid.
people disregard defense of cheese as skill nowadays which is sad. they also look down upon all-ins which is part of the game and necessary if you want to be a good player so i like that about your blog.
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On November 14 2011 13:24 3clipse wrote:
It's a little absurd how much easier 4gate is to execute than it is to stop. A few weeks ago I decided to offrace Protoss for the first time in ages. Decided to 4gate without even knowing the proper build order. I think I lost my first game, then beat 3 diamond players in a row with it.
Agreed. I was having a super bad time with zerg on ladder, decided to offrace as toss. I'd played around 30 games with toss previously, all team games. I went 3-1 with a 4 gate, playing high diamonds and one master.
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On November 14 2011 13:26 shawster wrote:
i disagree with some things but i also really agree with you on that players seem to think that making 4 expos then pumping units is skill. they can't even hold a damn all-in then they complain that all ins are retarded and the game is stupid.
people disregard defense of cheese as skill nowadays which is sad. they also look down upon all-ins which is part of the game and necessary if you want to be a good player so i like that about your blog.
Thank you!
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Sometimes there is just no better feeling than 4-gating a greedy Terran...
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On November 14 2011 13:26 shawster wrote:
i disagree with some things but i also really agree with you on that players seem to think that making 4 expos then pumping units is skill. they can't even hold a damn all-in then they complain that all ins are retarded and the game is stupid.
people disregard defense of cheese as skill nowadays which is sad. they also look down upon all-ins which is part of the game and necessary if you want to be a good player so i like that about your blog.
rofl
I dont really see anyone in this thread saying cheese defense isnt a useful skill toi have.
But just knowing one allin and doing it over and over doesnt take ANY skill. You'd think it took some minimal micro, but nope. You could coast upto high diamond simply by amoving with 4 gate prepatch.
Whats annoying is theres people that learn a single allin 6 minute build, do it every game without EVER thinking of a followup, a gameplan, simply by going through the motions that were memorized, because theres never a need to actually make decisions.
On November 14 2011 13:26 Dalguno wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 13:24 3clipse wrote:
It's a little absurd how much easier 4gate is to execute than it is to stop. A few weeks ago I decided to offrace Protoss for the first time in ages. Decided to 4gate without even knowing the proper build order. I think I lost my first game, then beat 3 diamond players in a row with it. Agreed. I was having a super bad time with zerg on ladder, decided to offrace as toss. I'd played around 30 games with toss previously, all team games. I went 3-1 with a 4 gate, playing high diamonds and one master.
Well duh. As a macro zerg you'd actually need to make decisions and be able to react to what the other player is throwing at you.
As a 4 gater you never have to react to anything. you just build the right shit at the right supply and attack.
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On November 14 2011 13:26 shawster wrote:
i disagree with some things but i also really agree with you on that players seem to think that making 4 expos then pumping units is skill. they can't even hold a damn all-in then they complain that all ins are retarded and the game is stupid.
people disregard defense of cheese as skill nowadays which is sad. they also look down upon all-ins which is part of the game and necessary if you want to be a good player so i like that about your blog.
Then people need to stop thinking that making 4 gates and attacking is a skill.
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You seem proud of yourself. I'm confused.
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On November 14 2011 13:36 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 13:26 shawster wrote:
i disagree with some things but i also really agree with you on that players seem to think that making 4 expos then pumping units is skill. they can't even hold a damn all-in then they complain that all ins are retarded and the game is stupid.
people disregard defense of cheese as skill nowadays which is sad. they also look down upon all-ins which is part of the game and necessary if you want to be a good player so i like that about your blog.
rofl I dont really see anyone in this thread saying cheese defense isnt a useful skill toi have. But just knowing one allin and doing it over and over doesnt take ANY skill. You'd think it took some minimal micro, but nope. You could coast upto high diamond simply by amoving with 4 gate prepatch. Whats annoying is theres people that learn a single allin 6 minute build, do it every game without EVER thinking of a followup, a gameplan, simply by going through the motions that were memorized, because theres never a need to actually make decisions.
it's their game and they enjoy it so let them do it. i'm not defending the build i'm saying it's a part of the game and people need to learn how to play against it anyway. all-ins are a part of the damn game.
and please, there are a million qq blogs about all-ins every single day. people always say "i'm better than you because i can play a better macro game than you" but they still lose to cheese and instead of working on practicing against cheese they just rage out or quit. people feel like they are entitled to win because they play a better macro game which is absolute horseshit.
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This is the stupidest thing ever
Why play a real game and try new things when you could just lose if the person is halfway decent?
Makes sense...
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