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This game has two sides. The side that is watching the pros play, and the other side that is playing yourself. Watching the pros play has been fun, but playing myself could not have been more unenjoyable.
First off, when I set out to play this game seriously, I wanted to make it big, not just shit out in a lower league. I can't just play games for the fun of it, there has to be a driving force that motivates me. This world that we all live in sucks, and if you can find more of a reason to live then not to, then you should do what gives you that reason. Starcraft has been the focal point of my life for the past 9 or 10 months.
I had a plan set in my head, obviously it didn't work out but, I wanted to get out of high school, go to college (which I'm a freshman in now), and throughout those 4 years, hopefully get good enough to become a pro. Throughout my 9 - 10 months of playing seriously, I have gone from bronze to diamond. Not the best, but at the same time not the worst. Once I was in Platinum league the game lost its "fun." I started focusing as hard as I could on improving, and only worried about how I would get to the pro level play. Diamond league was my goal, but my dreams was pro.
So now I've achieved my goal, and there is no satisfaction in it. 8/10 games I get cheesed (I'm a zerg player) or all-inned. Nobody bothers to play a macro game and it feels like I may as well be back in Gold league all over again. This game is fun to watch, and it's extremely hard to pull away from after it being part of my life for so long. But this game is like poison. I can honestly say that I regret finding out about it. All it has done now is bring me disappointment in my own skills, some of the game design, and other people. How can someone expect to become great when all they have to focus on is holding cheese or all-ins game after game after game?
This is not the way the game is meant to be played. Look at Brood War, the games are entertaining because it's not like this year one sc2 bullshit with all these crappy gimmicky strategies. People play the long game because the game is static. Maybe one day I'll decide to play this game seriously again when it's done being patched like BW, but this shit isn't for me anymore and it's far too stressful to even consider enjoying. The closest thing I got to satisfaction was beating the campaign this week, which is pathetic.
Yes, this is a rant post. If you don't like it, too bad. It's my blog. Please refrain from retarded comments so I don't have to waste more of my life reading them.
 
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find a team or something to practice with. or find people at your school to play with. if you're at a somewhat big school, most likely there are other diamond/masters players there
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On November 07 2011 04:00 blabber wrote:
find a team or something to practice with. or find people at your school to play with. if you're at a somewhat big school, most likely there are other diamond/masters players there
yeah its kinda hard to find a team in diamond though, also i go to a pretty small college and i only know a handful of people that have tried sc2
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I feel your pain. When I first started playing this game, I never thought there would be this amount of cheese and all-in. I don't mean to whine about imbalance, but unless you are playing Terran, you have to scout everywhere to make sure you don't lose to some cheese, and even then, a strong all-in can kill you easily. I decided to quit playing the game to get better, and instead just play for the fun of it. It have helped a lot, but at the same time, I hardly play the game anymore. I still watch the tournaments though 
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On November 07 2011 04:06 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
Come play BW again [=
sadly, i never played BW, i should start playing though. I only watched some
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On November 07 2011 04:04 Convalescence wrote:I feel your pain. When I first started playing this game, I never thought there would be this amount of cheese and all-in. I don't mean to whine about imbalance, but unless you are playing Terran, you have to scout everywhere to make sure you don't lose to some cheese, and even then, a strong all-in can kill you easily. I decided to quit playing the game to get better, and instead just play for the fun of it. It have helped a lot, but at the same time, I hardly play the game anymore. I still watch the tournaments though
Yeah I'm in the like same exact situation lol
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you look like a tryhard, just play the game and get good as you play.
If you really wanna go pro, don't rely on ladder lol
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On November 07 2011 04:10 crbox wrote:
you look like a tryhard, just play the game and get good as you play.
If you really wanna go pro, don't rely on ladder lol
kind of have to climb up the ladder to be considered a pro lol
and yes im a tryhard lol
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Come to BW. There isn't as much cheese as in SC2, and even losing is somehow satisfying. Sounds like paradise, hmm?
But it's harrrrrrdddd and you will sweat (mostly at your armpit).
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Stop playing and only watch SC2. That's what I did, I couldn't seperate my 'must win' from having fun so I just quit playing.
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On November 07 2011 04:06 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:
Come play BW again [=
Yippie! the macro vs non macro is pretty balanced on iccup nowadays in my imo, watch some BW streams to get the hang of buildorders and try to copy them..
In case you dont wanna switch or anything (not like u have to get good to enjoy the game, playing at D is enjoyable as well and then you make your way up through D+ and C-)
I know the frustration of being all inned though, I remember being 3 hatch ling all in'd effin 4 times in a row cus I blew at scouting.. But it doesn't happen no where near as often as you describe it, give it a try.
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"I can't improve because my opponents won't cooperate" is such a bad attitude. That is the real reason why you'll never become pro, not getting cheesed.
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when you get to masters you experience a lot less cheesing, you just have to push through it.
That being said, cheese is a very valid part of the game. This game isn't "macrocraft", it's a strategy game. Do some safer anti-cheese builds, and then regain your economic advantage through playing smarter/better. Starting a little behind isn't that big of a challenge.
You have to keep in mind that except for a few extremely talented individuals, it takes a lot of time to 'get good'. Jinro, Idra, Tyler, Ret, all these players had to play for YEARS before they were good. You've played a mere 10 months?
I played somewhere between 60,000-80,000 games of BW. It's going to be pretty easy for me to hit SC2 running than it is for you to discover the basics of RTS games, master them, and then apply them. The same can be said for (most) top players.
One thing that stands out though is attitude. I find it easy to grind through ladder because I love to learn. I love being cheesed. I love macro games. I love practicing mechanics. In almost all losses I come out of the game having learned something, and being aware of what I learned is really empowering - that my opponents' wins are in my control, not theirs.
Good luck with whatever route you decide to take.
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On November 07 2011 04:24 Mothra wrote:
"I can't improve because my opponents won't cooperate" is such a bad attitude. That is the real reason why you'll never become pro, not getting cheesed.
This x1,000,000.
It may be tough to swallow, but being able to defend all the cheeses and allins is quite an important part of the game and is a hugely important part of being a pro.
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if you're on ladder just play with a cheese-proof mindset. if you are confident that you can beat anyone in a macro game then why not sacrifice some of that to play a more cheese proof game?
there are always going to be cheesers. you can either get frustrated or practice against cheese.
sorry to say this but 95% of the sc2 community believe they are entitled to a macro game .they believe that every game should be a macro game and that's how the game is going to be played 100% at pro levels where it matters yada yada you can't get better with cheese people who cheese suck etc. that's so naive.
first of all i played at your level and i've been cheesed something like 2/10 games. if i wasn't cheesed i was all inned about 40% of my other games. that's pretty damn good. you're exaggerating so much.
sorry you aren't having fun. the game isn't the reason you're not having fun, you're not letting yourself have fun. go 6pool a bitch once a while, take a chill pill. if you hold cheese game after game after game and get to masters then you're bound to have more macro games.
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Looks like you need to start learning to defend cheeses and you will be a pro!!!!!!
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Spend some time learning how to defend cheese. Pros get cheesed all the time on big stages in front of huge audiences. If you can't handle the pressure of laddering vs a cheese then how are you going to handle it later?
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If you're getting cheesed, you're playing too greedy. It's as simple as that. They're army cheesing, you're economy cheesing.
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If you cant defend against cheese, it just means you don't understand that aspect of the game. There are many ways to prevent your self from being cheesed. Overlord placements are (at least for me) placed to prevent timings. If macro is your strength making a spine crawler more or a queen more is a big help (it might set u back slightly but not too hard to catch back up).
If anyone thinks SC1 is any less cheese friendly, you are dead wrong. I used to get constantly cheesed by protoss and 3 raxed by terrans.
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On November 07 2011 04:51 phiinix wrote:
If you're getting cheesed, you're playing too greedy. It's as simple as that. They're army cheesing, you're economy cheesing.
I never thought of econ cheese lol, oddly enough that makes sense to me
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My man, the control and timing that you learn when getting repeatedly cheesed is what allows you to become pro.
Play in some playhem or z33k tournaments, and get a practice partner.
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Try to not care so much about your rank. One of my friends is like this--he doesn't play on ladder because he doesn't want to lose points.
In the end it doesn't matter if you lose. Ain't nobody gonna judge you for it (and if they are, then fuck them).
You could try to tank your ladder rank, so that you won't care about it. IMO, the best thing to do is to cheese back. It's a break from macro, and it allows you to take out your frustration by using the god-awful, shittiest builds known to mankind.
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Learn to enjoy when your opponent cheeses, cause you know you have a good shot at winning quick.
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It shifts, when you get higher league, and you meet the cheeses you are meeting now, you just go like this ÔÔ... And then stop it, then wonder if you're being trolled.
A cheese is easier to execute than stop in most cases.
And if its "this awful" for you now, just pat yourself on the shoulder for having the guts "to try" and stop, because it won't get easier, it'll get harder and harder. I felt as if the game doesn't start until you're high Masters atleast.
So yeah!!
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Cheese happens at all levels of the game. The only thing that happens when you get to the pro level is that people are a lot better at it.
And this applies to both SC2 and BW.
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Cheese is a fundamental skill players should immediately manage and not save for later on. Cheese easily separates players that know basics (scouting) and strategy (build order). What you're lacking might be one of the two, try improving upon them. Don't always go for that 15 hatch you keep telling yourself. Start with a speedling expand, put some pressure, scout, be active with lings and sac ovies at pivotal timing windows. The latter will probably give you that extra kick in the right direction to get you to masters.
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I quit laddering because of baneling busts and DT openings -_-
I got soooo over that bullshit.
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I actually rather enjoy sc2 cheese because I played both sc bw and wc3 and was pretty happy with where I was. So in most cases I can out micro and multitask at the same time and beat an all-in. I obviously still lose but I blame myself when I do and not because of what my opponent did.
Obviously I'm one of the few with this mind set though  work on scouting! see it coming! CRUSH IT! feels really good lol
+ Show Spoiler +that statement is not directed at you OP but everybody in general. Happy Gaming!
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There's little I like more in a game of StarCraft than getting cheesed, scouting it, knowing exactly how to defend and then pulling it off to clinch a victory. That feeling of "all I gotta do is this, that and that, while keeping an eye on that and I'm good!" then 5 minutes later, the opponent types gg.
Actually, I like other things more, but that one is ok too =)
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i started playing some T today, im at Plat on that account, and i've done pretty well, T holds cheese easily lol.
i just need to learn TvT more. while learning TvT do u guys suggest i start bio or mech?
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On November 07 2011 07:14 MASSivezTV wrote:
i started playing some T today, im at Plat on that account, and i've done pretty well, T holds cheese easily lol.
i just need to learn TvT more. while learning TvT do u guys suggest i start bio or mech?
Go with whatever feels like the default to your style. Then do your best, and be open to change if you see the need for it.
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On November 07 2011 07:17 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 07:14 MASSivezTV wrote:
i started playing some T today, im at Plat on that account, and i've done pretty well, T holds cheese easily lol.
i just need to learn TvT more. while learning TvT do u guys suggest i start bio or mech? Go with whatever feels like the default to your style. Then do your best, and be open to change if you see the need for it.
OK ^_^
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Get some coaching, dude.
Sounds like your real problem is a serious lack of perspective. There are a lot of guys out there who can help you put things in order, and, honestly, working with a coach for a few hours at your current level is probably the quickest, and best way to make the next step up.
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On November 07 2011 07:28 MrBitter wrote:
Get some coaching, dude.
Sounds like your real problem is a serious lack of perspective. There are a lot of guys out there who can help you put things in order, and, honestly, working with a coach for a few hours at your current level is probably the quickest, and best way to make the next step up.
Mr. Bitter<3
and okay, ill consider it!
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BW is even more fun to play then it is to watch =]
Seriously if you're bored of sc2 try BW for a couple months, you might like it a lot more.
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On November 07 2011 04:51 cive wrote:
If anyone thinks SC1 is any less cheese friendly, you are dead wrong. I used to get constantly cheesed by protoss and 3 raxed by terrans.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. 3 rax (sparks terran) really shouldn't work. Idk what toss cheese you are thinking of.
Nice thing about BW is if you have good micro you can stomp a lot of cheesers just off sheer unit control ability.
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I've been enjoying terran for numerous reasons, being able to pressure easily, MULES , and I feel terran can force a macro game onto their opponent since theyre so good at defense
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If you don't like the game, you shouldn't play it. I think there are enough people out there playing to win but are not enjoying the process of improvement or competing. You could try playing against friends instead of laddering. That may bring some joy back to the game. And forming practice partner relationships may get you an opportunity to play with cheese not being such a predominant playstyle. Winning and losing against people you know is also a lot more interesting than doing so against strangers.
Just keep in mind that you picked the punching bag race. Zerg has to play more adaptively than the other races to fully exploit its ability to shift fast between droning, massing army and teching. This can lead to it being the most boring race because in the early part of the game, the opponent will often be the active player and all you're doing is playing defense.
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This world that we all live in sucks, and if you can find more of a reason to live then not to, then you should do what gives you that reason.
So, you're saying you no longer have more of a reason to live than not to? No dude, please don't kill yourself...
Try terran. Not saying it's OP, it's just less frustrating to play, thus funner for people with only 9-month-long fuses.
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On November 07 2011 11:10 ThaZenith wrote:Show nested quote +This world that we all live in sucks, and if you can find more of a reason to live then not to, then you should do what gives you that reason. So, you're saying you no longer have more of a reason to live than not to? No dude, please don't kill yourself... Try terran. Not saying it's OP, it's just less frustrating to play, thus funner for people with only 9-month-long fuses.
wuh? no thats not what im saying lol. def not.
but yea im gonna play T haha
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On November 07 2011 03:57 MASSivezTV wrote:
This is not the way the game is meant to be played. Look at Brood War, the games are entertaining because it's not like this year one sc2 bullshit with all these crappy gimmicky strategies. People play the long game because the game is static.
Huh?
BW is nowhere close to being static. You might mean something else but static isn't the right word.
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On November 07 2011 11:59 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2011 03:57 MASSivezTV wrote:
This is not the way the game is meant to be played. Look at Brood War, the games are entertaining because it's not like this year one sc2 bullshit with all these crappy gimmicky strategies. People play the long game because the game is static. Huh? BW is nowhere close to being static. You might mean something else but static isn't the right word.
static in the sense that it's not changing via patches
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