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rogbirdz
Profile Joined March 2011
United States24 Posts
October 29 2011 17:37 GMT
#301
Do whatever you need to do to be happy.
forSeohyun
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
504 Posts
October 29 2011 17:37 GMT
#302
While I don't agree with all your sentiments concerning eSports I still think people have treated you badly, you should be able to have differing opnions.

I think you are a great translator and nothing would please me more if you reconsidered the decision to call it quits. I am saddened that the haters and trolls won and not the people who wants an intelligent and peaceful discussion.

I thank you for all that you done. I am still a fan.
Seohyun fan
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
October 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#303
On October 30 2011 02:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:20 Newtonz wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I feel like anyone who has enjoyed a Milkis translation owes him more than calling him silly or calling his bluff. I wasn't going to write anything but then I remembered that I've benefited from a lot of work that he's given me freely. Keep in mind that Milkis has contributed WAY more to the community than he's taken away. If you think he's making a mistake by posting this and leaving, then you should try to imagine what comment you could write here to get him to change his mind and make him feel comfortable returning and doing more translations. Simply pointing out that it's a mistake is not very helpful =/


This is the equivalent of a hormonal sixteen year old girl asking everyone on Facebook whether or not she is pretty. Of course she is pretty and she knows it, but she wants the attention and reassurance.

I'm simply not going to give a grown man that type of reassurance. None of us need it nor deserve it.

No, it's not at all. I have no idea how you've come away with such a poor understanding of my posts. I can't even begin to help you understand.


Take your own advice, don't read the posts, you can already imagine what they will answer...

Sad that the community prefers to stab death horses nowadays than trying to support and help.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
October 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#304
Nooooooooooooo Milkis . Miss you <3
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
October 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#305
You'll always be appreciated in the BW community.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
October 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#306
Milkis, no....please don't leave You really do great job. I really appreciate everything you have done especially translating the articles and interviews in BW scene as I can't read Korean. You are amazing person.


Learn,live and love it.
_Hammy
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2 Posts
October 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#307
On October 30 2011 01:16 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 01:00 Milkis wrote:
I never wanted to be popular nor did I want attention (although I guess I did enjoy it, but it's not something I ever wanted). It's the last thing I wanted.
Would you say that you never asked for this?

+1 LOL and you're getting angry because you said a bunch of games weren't worthy of being called an esport beside Brood War and Starcraft 2 and djWheat and numerous others felt that, that was complete and udder horse shit?
EEYO EEYO EEYO EYYAAYY
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
October 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#308
Seriously this is the internet, you've been here long enough to know how people are.

None of the reactions should have surprised you, nor should they have gotten under your skin so much.

Leaving like this is.. well, it's kind of pathetic to be honest.
smocca
Profile Joined May 2010
United States83 Posts
October 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#309
Milkis your "Odds and Ends" blog was one of my favorite things to read. I hope you change your mind and continue your work on it.
MiteCrow
Profile Joined June 2011
Ireland38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 02:20:32
October 29 2011 17:39 GMT
#310
Look as Incontrol, poeple hate over him constantly, I never payed much attention to it but now I gotta admit I have a bit of respect for him for simply shacking it off and powering on.

I dont really see your logic either, Reddit for one worships you, I dont think i have ever seen an unkind or unincouraging word said about you on it (Which is unique).

See you next week when you remake
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
October 29 2011 17:39 GMT
#311
On October 30 2011 02:35 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:27 Derez wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:
You know, it's very telling that some of the reactions on this thread are just as bad as many on reddit (if not as extreme).

TL has definitely lost much of its etiquette and class over the last year. There's not a lot left that makes it unique any more. Saying that the "internet is evil, don't listen to it" or whatever is easy and you may think saying that makes you look mature or smart in a cynical way, but it really doesn't. Making even a small place on the internet NOT blend into that stereotype is extremely difficult, and not many people care enough to contribute to that anymore.

Milkis is one of those guys who made TL and symbolized the TL community for me, and also one of the rare people whose views on a lot of [s]e-sports[/e] Starcraft related things I can agree with. But I'm not going to ask him to reconsider his decision if he indeed made it, as I don't think TL really deserves guys like him anymore.

Just get a paid translator who will be a nobody with no opinions and will take any bashing in the world for a paycheck. That's the trend in ESPORTS nowadays anyway, isn't it? Professionalism! Yay.

It's all about the context of the community you place it in tho.

Milkis could have posted that exact same thread on the TL BW forum, and it wouldn't have gotten nearly the kind of reaction that it did over on reddit. Yet he chose to make his point on the SC2 reddit, which is not as strictly moderated as TL and attracts a crowd of which only a small percentage have an interest in BW in the first place (much like TL SC2).

It's kind of like coming over to my house and explaining in detail why every piece of furniture I have is terrible and how everything you own is superior. There's a reason people don't react friendly to behaviour like that. Nothing is forbidding you from doing it, but at least be reasonable in the expectations you have.


If he posted it in TL SC2 forum, the reaction wouldn't be any better. Hell, the reactions to this very blog post (which is game "neutral" and it's a completely different topic anyway) aren't much better. Even if he posted it in the TL BW forum, do you really think people who disagree with him wouldn't read it anyway and respond to it much in the same way? That's optimistic to say the least.

The bottom line is, Milkis is the kind of person who can post an informed and educated opinion on something, and has done enough for the community and been around long enough to warrant everyone who responds to first think long and hard before disagreeing, and even if they disagree to do it in a respectful manner.


98% of the people in that thread posted in an acceptable manner. He posted a very controversial and drastic piece of opinion, so he is going to get rather drastic comments. The remaining 2% stepped over the line but that's got nothing to do with Reddit or TL, that's just how the internet works.
alexhard
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden317 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:39:48
October 29 2011 17:39 GMT
#312
I don't understand how people can be complaining about "the trolls". Milkis titled his post "elitist" from the start, and was highly derogatory and insulting if not downright offensive. It minimized the skill, intelligence, effort, and love of esports of the vast majority of esports players and fans worldwide. His main argument was that the fans also play the game, therefore those games are not esports. This is not a carefully crafted and laid out argument meant to convince or inform, it's inflammatory and hateful and clearly intended as such. Especially if you consider where he posted it. In the BW forums it would've been somewhat accepted if not ignored. But he went to a sc2 board and told everybody there that they are not actually esports fans.

He is the troll in this case.
mints
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States120 Posts
October 29 2011 17:39 GMT
#313
Wow.

Honestly when you make post with "elitist" in the title, you know you're just asking for negativity. When you receive the criticism, you delete your post and twitter it makes look stupid. Not sticking by your words and go into "hiding" so to speak. I'm not trying to be rude or anything but this makes you come off as weak. And if you leave the whole scene because of this well then, its just survival of the fittest. Don't get me wrong, I appreciated what you did for MKP/reddit thing, but if you can't take the heat for this, then this scene doesn't need weak people in it. That being said, I hope you don't leave because of this incident, but if you do leave it will show what kind of person you are.
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
October 29 2011 17:40 GMT
#314
Um...what?

I'm so confused. What is this opinion you keep talking about that is supposedly elitist and why exactly do you think that's the reason forum dwellers make fun of you? And why do you care?
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
October 29 2011 17:41 GMT
#315
His opinion just in case people are confused:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/lstnm/as_promised_my_very_elitist_description_of_brood/
ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
October 29 2011 17:41 GMT
#316
Amazing how quickly Reddit can turn on someone...
Milkis has done a lot of good things for esports, and I still respect him for that. Disappointingly thin-skinned though... I suppose that's to be expected of someone who (in the best sense of the word) was an amateur in a place full of professionals.

<3 Milkis
http://i53.tinypic.com/1r3j0p.gif
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
October 29 2011 17:41 GMT
#317
On October 30 2011 02:35 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:27 Derez wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:
You know, it's very telling that some of the reactions on this thread are just as bad as many on reddit (if not as extreme).

TL has definitely lost much of its etiquette and class over the last year. There's not a lot left that makes it unique any more. Saying that the "internet is evil, don't listen to it" or whatever is easy and you may think saying that makes you look mature or smart in a cynical way, but it really doesn't. Making even a small place on the internet NOT blend into that stereotype is extremely difficult, and not many people care enough to contribute to that anymore.

Milkis is one of those guys who made TL and symbolized the TL community for me, and also one of the rare people whose views on a lot of [s]e-sports[/e] Starcraft related things I can agree with. But I'm not going to ask him to reconsider his decision if he indeed made it, as I don't think TL really deserves guys like him anymore.

Just get a paid translator who will be a nobody with no opinions and will take any bashing in the world for a paycheck. That's the trend in ESPORTS nowadays anyway, isn't it? Professionalism! Yay.

It's all about the context of the community you place it in tho.

Milkis could have posted that exact same thread on the TL BW forum, and it wouldn't have gotten nearly the kind of reaction that it did over on reddit. Yet he chose to make his point on the SC2 reddit, which is not as strictly moderated as TL and attracts a crowd of which only a small percentage have an interest in BW in the first place (much like TL SC2).

It's kind of like coming over to my house and explaining in detail why every piece of furniture I have is terrible and how everything you own is superior. There's a reason people don't react friendly to behaviour like that. Nothing is forbidding you from doing it, but at least be reasonable in the expectations you have.


If he posted it in TL SC2 forum, the reaction wouldn't be any better. Hell, the reactions to this very blog post (which is game "neutral" and it's a completely different topic anyway) aren't much better. If he posted it in the TL BW forum, do you really think people who disagree with him wouldn't read it anyway and respond to it much in the same way? That's optimistic to say the least.

The bottom line is, Milkis is the kind of person who can post an informed and educated opinion on something, and has done enough to warrant everyone who responds to first think long and hard before disagreeing, and even if they disagree to do it in a respectful manner.

His post was neither informed nor educated, and instead contended that his interests trumped those of other people. Community members like djWheat and the countless others who have spent a decade+ of their lives promoting games of all kinds have every right to strongly criticize Milkis for ignorant elitism (which, as hinted at by the presence of elitist in the title of his post, clearly indicates that Milkis was well aware of how lacking in critical perspective his statements were). Milkis posted blatant fanboyism, and fanboyism is what he got in return.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
October 29 2011 17:41 GMT
#318
Sure this was a bad way to handle things on Milkis's part, but I think it's sad how being as harsh, vicious and cruel as possible is considered the norm on the internet ("and if you can't handle it, gtfo"). Milkis is guilty of self pity, attention seeking, and two very ill thought out blog posts, but that seems the smaller crime compared to people who just take and never give of themselves, yet jump at the opportunity to spew vicious bile and tear someone down. Maybe Milkis isn't cut out for the spot light.
Newtonz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
October 29 2011 17:42 GMT
#319
On October 30 2011 02:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:20 Newtonz wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I feel like anyone who has enjoyed a Milkis translation owes him more than calling him silly or calling his bluff. I wasn't going to write anything but then I remembered that I've benefited from a lot of work that he's given me freely. Keep in mind that Milkis has contributed WAY more to the community than he's taken away. If you think he's making a mistake by posting this and leaving, then you should try to imagine what comment you could write here to get him to change his mind and make him feel comfortable returning and doing more translations. Simply pointing out that it's a mistake is not very helpful =/


This is the equivalent of a hormonal sixteen year old girl asking everyone on Facebook whether or not she is pretty. Of course she is pretty and she knows it, but she wants the attention and reassurance.

I'm simply not going to give a grown man that type of reassurance. None of us need it nor deserve it.

No, it's not at all. I have no idea how you've come away with such a poor understanding of my posts. I can't even begin to help you understand.


I understand perfectly.

You believe Milkis needs to change his attitude. You believe that us as a community must reassure him that he has done a adequate job translating. If he wants to become comfortable enough again to return to the scene, that is all on him, not the community.

Just because I strongly disagree with what your saying does not mean I haven't read or misunderstood your posts. What your saying is quite simply, and frankly in my opinion what your suggesting the community to do is not in our best interests.

Milkis attitude is his issue to fix, we should not be required to give him bull-shit happy and love felt comments to convince him to stay. If he is going to give up this easily then I don't even want him to stay. Weak people like this have no business being in the public eye, especially when it's representing something I love such as e-Sports.

In the end it makes us all look bad.
Avalon22
Profile Joined December 2010
United States8 Posts
October 29 2011 17:42 GMT
#320
I am sorry to hear this, I hope you know and read these comments there is a lot of support out here. Also I never thought you were nervous or a 'bad' translator, lets be serious here, I don't know Korean, and I don't know a single Korean that would have criticized because translating can't be easy. Thank you for all your work and content.

Please take care of yourself, on behalf of the non-troll community.

Thank you.
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