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TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:33:06
October 29 2011 17:32 GMT
#281
Milkis you're one of the more loved figures both on TL and r/starcraft, if you really want to throw everything away simply because people don't agree with you that BW is the best game ever and that we should all emulate it that's you choice but before making any final decisions take some time to think it through.

You posted an extreme opinion in a public place, people disagreed. We don't suddenly hate you, we still like you just as much as before, we just disagree with you.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13924 Posts
October 29 2011 17:32 GMT
#282
And now we're going to get all the reddit trolls coming over again to ruin another thread. And the mods won't ban them so we just have to sit though it.

Reddit doesn't matter for shit. If they're wasn't a pro sc2 scene it r/starcraft wouldn't be shit or exist in any way at all. if there wasn't a sc2 scene tl would still be alive and kicking and love you all the same.

So fuck them. You brought over MKP to MLG they couldn't do that with all the money in the world. You're the kickass guy who goes to MLG's and gets to hang out with the Koreans the whole weekend while the rest of us get to be jealous of you. You're the awesome guy that gives us tidbits on what the Korean fans are thinking. No one else does these things like you can do milkis. Just say fuck reddit and wash your hands of them. If thats how they are going to treat you after everything then fuck them you don't need them. How many of them will ever really get their face in front of 180k people watching and waiting on them?

Please don't leave. You're so much better then all the other translators and I really want to see you at mlg and on your blog.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
October 29 2011 17:32 GMT
#283
I don't get it. The VAST majority of the SC2 community absolutely adores you! You're letting a few haters get to you?

Good luck on all your future endeavors and I thank you for all the amazing content and services you have provided to the community to help eSports grow!
4 Corners in a day.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
October 29 2011 17:33 GMT
#284
On October 30 2011 02:20 Newtonz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I feel like anyone who has enjoyed a Milkis translation owes him more than calling him silly or calling his bluff. I wasn't going to write anything but then I remembered that I've benefited from a lot of work that he's given me freely. Keep in mind that Milkis has contributed WAY more to the community than he's taken away. If you think he's making a mistake by posting this and leaving, then you should try to imagine what comment you could write here to get him to change his mind and make him feel comfortable returning and doing more translations. Simply pointing out that it's a mistake is not very helpful =/


This is the equivalent of a hormonal sixteen year old girl asking everyone on Facebook whether or not she is pretty. Of course she is pretty and she knows it, but she wants the attention and reassurance.

I'm simply not going to give a grown man that type of reassurance. None of us need it nor deserve it.

No, it's not at all. I have no idea how you've come away with such a poor understanding of my posts. I can't even begin to help you understand.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
October 29 2011 17:33 GMT
#285
thats sad... i always enjoyed ur translation
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 29 2011 17:33 GMT
#286
On October 30 2011 02:28 Siphonn wrote:
I like you alot Milkis, but honestly what else were you thinking when you posted that "BW is the only eSport" when you know there are thousands of other players in the other games that put just as much effort into there respective games as Flash and Jaedong. You brought this upon yourself, you know how people on the internet can be, and you shouldnt be surprised at what people are saying to be honest. Man up and be responsible, don't just go and hide once other people voice their opinions too.


I really don't know Milkis as a person, but if anything i'd think he had pretty much made up his mind before making that thread. Now he's just using it as an excuse to punish the community that I believe he has been frustrated with for a long time. I do think he'll regret the way he went out, assuming he won't just return in a week, there isn't much grace in this departure.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:34:25
October 29 2011 17:33 GMT
#287
On October 30 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:
It's kind of like coming over to my house and explaining in detail why every piece of furniture I have is terrible and how everything you own is superior. There's a reason people don't react friendly to behaviour like that. Nothing is forbidding you from doing it, but at least be reasonable in the expectations you have.


Or imagine the shit storm if someone like Sir Scoots or Jason Lake suddenly made a post on TL about how much Starcraft sucks and how CS is the best game ever. If you basically trash or insult the passion of other people and tell them how they are inferior to you, you're going to get shit on for it.
Jtom
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland1044 Posts
October 29 2011 17:33 GMT
#288
This is a bit of an over reasction, isn't it? There are plenty of idiots on the internet who will call you faggots if you disagree with their opinions, but I saw plenty of valid things said in the comments of your post about e-sports on reddit as well. If you can't deal with criticism in any form then you need to get off the internet. Shape up Milkis, are you going to let this be your final impression on the sc2 community? A whiny rant on TL because some people said bad things about you? You are 10 times better than this, start acting like it.
"Daddy, how did the Protossaurs go extinct?" "A giant EMP hit the earth" - Fionn
TheNihilist
Profile Joined May 2010
United States178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:34:23
October 29 2011 17:34 GMT
#289
On October 30 2011 02:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:20 Newtonz wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I feel like anyone who has enjoyed a Milkis translation owes him more than calling him silly or calling his bluff. I wasn't going to write anything but then I remembered that I've benefited from a lot of work that he's given me freely. Keep in mind that Milkis has contributed WAY more to the community than he's taken away. If you think he's making a mistake by posting this and leaving, then you should try to imagine what comment you could write here to get him to change his mind and make him feel comfortable returning and doing more translations. Simply pointing out that it's a mistake is not very helpful =/


This is the equivalent of a hormonal sixteen year old girl asking everyone on Facebook whether or not she is pretty. Of course she is pretty and she knows it, but she wants the attention and reassurance.

I'm simply not going to give a grown man that type of reassurance. None of us need it nor deserve it.

No, it's not at all. I have no idea how you've come away with such a poor understanding of my posts. I can't even begin to help you understand.


Tyler, he's referring to Milkis' blog post, not your reply.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19048 Posts
October 29 2011 17:34 GMT
#290
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
Surprise.820
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1276 Posts
October 29 2011 17:34 GMT
#291
Thank you Tyler for your insight on page 7. I really appreciated that because it is how I feel people should approach these situations.

As for Milkis; do whatever suits you.
Erase and improve
viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
October 29 2011 17:34 GMT
#292
On October 30 2011 02:34 TheNihilist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:20 Newtonz wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I feel like anyone who has enjoyed a Milkis translation owes him more than calling him silly or calling his bluff. I wasn't going to write anything but then I remembered that I've benefited from a lot of work that he's given me freely. Keep in mind that Milkis has contributed WAY more to the community than he's taken away. If you think he's making a mistake by posting this and leaving, then you should try to imagine what comment you could write here to get him to change his mind and make him feel comfortable returning and doing more translations. Simply pointing out that it's a mistake is not very helpful =/


This is the equivalent of a hormonal sixteen year old girl asking everyone on Facebook whether or not she is pretty. Of course she is pretty and she knows it, but she wants the attention and reassurance.

I'm simply not going to give a grown man that type of reassurance. None of us need it nor deserve it.

No, it's not at all. I have no idea how you've come away with such a poor understanding of my posts. I can't even begin to help you understand.


Tyler, he's referring to Milkis' blog post, not your reply.

Oh shit, he just went in.
aut0mati0n
Profile Joined May 2011
United States97 Posts
October 29 2011 17:34 GMT
#293
On October 30 2011 01:07 Chill wrote:
my only thought reading this was "lol"

dont worry milkis, your daddy loves you. see you tomorrow.

This.


User was warned for this post
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:39:14
October 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#294
On October 30 2011 02:27 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:22 Talin wrote:
You know, it's very telling that some of the reactions on this thread are just as bad as many on reddit (if not as extreme).

TL has definitely lost much of its etiquette and class over the last year. There's not a lot left that makes it unique any more. Saying that the "internet is evil, don't listen to it" or whatever is easy and you may think saying that makes you look mature or smart in a cynical way, but it really doesn't. Making even a small place on the internet NOT blend into that stereotype is extremely difficult, and not many people care enough to contribute to that anymore.

Milkis is one of those guys who made TL and symbolized the TL community for me, and also one of the rare people whose views on a lot of [s]e-sports[/e] Starcraft related things I can agree with. But I'm not going to ask him to reconsider his decision if he indeed made it, as I don't think TL really deserves guys like him anymore.

Just get a paid translator who will be a nobody with no opinions and will take any bashing in the world for a paycheck. That's the trend in ESPORTS nowadays anyway, isn't it? Professionalism! Yay.

It's all about the context of the community you place it in tho.

Milkis could have posted that exact same thread on the TL BW forum, and it wouldn't have gotten nearly the kind of reaction that it did over on reddit. Yet he chose to make his point on the SC2 reddit, which is not as strictly moderated as TL and attracts a crowd of which only a small percentage have an interest in BW in the first place (much like TL SC2).

It's kind of like coming over to my house and explaining in detail why every piece of furniture I have is terrible and how everything you own is superior. There's a reason people don't react friendly to behaviour like that. Nothing is forbidding you from doing it, but at least be reasonable in the expectations you have.


If he posted it in TL SC2 forum, the reaction wouldn't be any better. Hell, the reactions to this very blog post (which is game "neutral" and it's a completely different topic anyway) aren't much better. Even if he posted it in the TL BW forum, do you really think people who disagree with him wouldn't read it anyway and respond to it much in the same way? That's optimistic to say the least.

The bottom line is, Milkis is the kind of person who can post an informed and educated opinion on something, and has done enough for the community and been around long enough to warrant everyone who responds to first think long and hard before disagreeing, and even if they disagree to do it in a respectful manner.

The bottom line is, there is no reason why he should expect or ignore the hate. If what drives him and gives him personal satisfaction to do his work is the community recognition and respect, then he has every right to complain and/or leave when he no longer receives it.

And if people want him to stay, they should definitely come up with better arguments than "you should have expected it", "that's how it is", "deal with it", etc. Because at this point those arguments can only really reinforce his decision.
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
October 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#295
On October 30 2011 01:07 Chill wrote:
my only thought reading this was "lol"

dont worry milkis, your daddy loves you. see you tomorrow.


this is also what I want to say.
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
October 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#296
You have thousands of people who have supported and encouraged you throughout your time in the community.Now, you have a few haters jump on you for one opinion.


You chose to recognize the haters instead of all your supporters, and you rage quit?


Rethink your analysis of this situation.
ski107
Profile Joined April 2011
United States62 Posts
October 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#297
Honestly at this point, if a few disparaging comments from internet trolls causes such an emotional response it probably is for the better for Milkis to step out of the limelight for a little while and take a break. I'm not saying that he needs to leave, but for his mental status to improve a hiatus is most definitely necessary.

If a few "cunts" and "assholes" from a <1% vocal minority of 2 major communities can cause such an issue its best to walk away, do something else for a bit, and then decide if you want to try and be in the center of such communities again.

Obviously any decisions made under duress are going to be thought about over and over. Let Milkis take his break, regain his mental composure, and decide if this is the right place for him. If he decides it is, he will come back (hopefully with a thicker skin and less caring of the trolls). If he decides it isn't, then his mental status will hopefully improve and he can go on to bigger and better things.

I think both the people telling him to leave and the people telling him to stay are equally detrimental at this point. Telling him to leave will just make him feel worse and negatively affect an already bad situation. Telling him to stay may falsely alleviate the larger issue at hand for Milkis and cause him to come back without rethinking the situation. That will just lead to another breakdown in the future and the repetition of the process.

I really do believe he just needs to take a step back, go over the whole situation, and decide to either jump back in or stay out for good depending on how he sees the entire thing from a much higher level view.
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evolute
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada209 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:37:44
October 29 2011 17:37 GMT
#298
I appreciate all of the work you've done, and all the translations you've given; you've given us (me) a chance to converse and understand our favourite players.

But you're wrong on your opinion. You got called out. You posted a controversial topic expecting backlash, got backlash, and now are quitting 'esports' because of it. Which really doesn't make sense, considering you just got done saying that BW was the only real esport but most of your work is not in BW.

Heck, you posted a BW glory thread in a SC2 'forum'. What did you expect, honestly?

You're not getting any sympathy from me. Thanks for all you've done; no thanks for being a drama queen.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 17:38:04
October 29 2011 17:37 GMT
#299
***** forget it, i was adding nothing of value, please delete this post ******

Bye and good luck Milkis
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
mewbert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States291 Posts
October 29 2011 17:37 GMT
#300
On October 30 2011 02:33 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 02:20 Newtonz wrote:
On October 30 2011 02:16 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
I feel like anyone who has enjoyed a Milkis translation owes him more than calling him silly or calling his bluff. I wasn't going to write anything but then I remembered that I've benefited from a lot of work that he's given me freely. Keep in mind that Milkis has contributed WAY more to the community than he's taken away. If you think he's making a mistake by posting this and leaving, then you should try to imagine what comment you could write here to get him to change his mind and make him feel comfortable returning and doing more translations. Simply pointing out that it's a mistake is not very helpful =/


This is the equivalent of a hormonal sixteen year old girl asking everyone on Facebook whether or not she is pretty. Of course she is pretty and she knows it, but she wants the attention and reassurance.

I'm simply not going to give a grown man that type of reassurance. None of us need it nor deserve it.

No, it's not at all. I have no idea how you've come away with such a poor understanding of my posts. I can't even begin to help you understand.

he's talking about milkis lol
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