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wam19
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
October 26 2011 00:04 GMT
#1
I'm in silver league and I can't stand when people cheese, I find it very annoying when I want to play a good game and they just rush you. Just wondering when you get into gold and platinum do they still rush all the time? I know everyone does even in masters every know and again but I was just wondering when the amount of cheesing slows down.

Thank you
wam19

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Profile Joined April 2010
United States475 Posts
October 26 2011 00:07 GMT
#2
Defend cheese, win games.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
October 26 2011 00:09 GMT
#3
People rush all the way up the ladder. It slows down a little bit in platinum-diamond but other than that...
Also don't complain about cheese when it happens to you; its part of the game. If you can't defend against silver-league cheese then you don't deserve to be in gold imo.
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
October 26 2011 00:10 GMT
#4
Just be happy knowing that you are getting better as a player, and they are not.

Even if you lose, you learn from it. They just do the same stupid cheese over and over and don't improve from it.
wam19
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States9 Posts
October 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#5
I don't mind cheese every now and again, I just get annoyed when it happens over and over again in a row :\
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36389 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 00:30:49
October 26 2011 00:30 GMT
#6
You won't ever stop facing cheese, you will only be facing smarter, better executed cheese. Just learn to scout and defend it.

In fact, I think that trying to play "good games" in lower leagues before learning to scout, identify builds, and defend cheese is kind of putting the card before the horse. Macro games shouldn't occur because both players blindly decide to macro hard, but rather because players are confident in their ability to defend while expanding.

Do safe builds and scout, and you will be ahead of cheesers.
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Fleebu
Profile Joined April 2011
Great Britain65 Posts
October 26 2011 01:00 GMT
#7
To answer your question, the amount of cheese is much smaller in Platimum compared to silver. Like one is twenty games compared to one in two.

Although it may be different in NA. (I'm EU)
It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
October 26 2011 01:13 GMT
#8
Defend, prepare, chill.

Don't let cheese catch you off guard; take steps to prevent it-scout early, defend early.
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
October 26 2011 01:26 GMT
#9
once you learn to defend 1-base all-ins, you start to dominate them so easily that it is just free ladder points...same for 2-base all-ins, but I haven't got to that stage yet lol
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
October 26 2011 01:33 GMT
#10
Part of the reason that you die to cheese is that your opening builds are not safe to them. If you played unsafe builds in higher leagues and nobody ever cheesed you, you would have an "unfair" advantage (e.g. think about terran always opening with double ccs before barracks. if nobody ever "cheesed" him he would never lose). If you are dying a lot to cheese is means that you actually can't play a "good game."

On the bright side, when you learn to beat cheese you will feel like a little bonjwa and own people and laugh all the way to platinum league.
shikata ga nai
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 26 2011 02:14 GMT
#11
On October 26 2011 09:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
You won't ever stop facing cheese, you will only be facing smarter, better executed cheese. Just learn to scout and defend it.

In fact, I think that trying to play "good games" in lower leagues before learning to scout, identify builds, and defend cheese is kind of putting the card before the horse. Macro games shouldn't occur because both players blindly decide to macro hard, but rather because players are confident in their ability to defend while expanding.

Do safe builds and scout, and you will be ahead of cheesers.


Hot bid is right, or just cheese yourself. It'll teach you a lot about different play styles as well as the weaknesses of your race's cheeses.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
TheGiz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada708 Posts
October 26 2011 05:50 GMT
#12
I agree with the seasoned TLers. When I first got to Gold I just faced better cheese among players who were actually halfway able to macro. The key is to learn to start scouting and defend it, as has been said. It's a good skill to learn for team games; nothing upsets me more in a team game than seeing my ally get caught by cheese, especially when it is so easy to defend. I'm talking mostly about cannon rushes. Stopping the other kinds of cheese is a little more challenging and a little harder to spot (in time).
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Sotamursu
Profile Joined June 2010
Finland612 Posts
October 26 2011 06:02 GMT
#13
Don't confuse normal builds with cheese either. A lot of builds have stuff that allow for early pressure at certain times (like 2rax in TvP). You got to use builds that are prepared for most of the usual timings.
Geovu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Estonia1344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 06:17:28
October 26 2011 06:17 GMT
#14
On October 26 2011 09:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
You won't ever stop facing cheese, you will only be facing smarter, better executed cheese. Just learn to scout and defend it.


All the top cheeser's consort with demons and tamper with souls to become the masterful scourge of the ladder that they are. Eventually as their power grows their body becomes deformed and soul corrupt, until their only objective in life is to offer up more noob souls' and ladder points to their masters for more power.

They are Cheese Lich's, so to speak. Don't bother with trying to get away from cheese by becoming the best, that will only lead to Cheese Lich's slowly break apart all your positive emotions and hopes through each game you play against them, win or lose. If you do such a thing, you may very well end up as an emotionless husk, who keeps playing because that's the only thing in life that let's you feel, even if it is only rage, sadness and betrayel.

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SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-26 07:02:10
October 26 2011 07:01 GMT
#15
On October 26 2011 09:30 Hot_Bid wrote:
You won't ever stop facing cheese, you will only be facing smarter, better executed cheese. Just learn to scout and defend it.

In fact, I think that trying to play "good games" in lower leagues before learning to scout, identify builds, and defend cheese is kind of putting the card before the horse. Macro games shouldn't occur because both players blindly decide to macro hard, but rather because players are confident in their ability to defend while expanding.

Do safe builds and scout, and you will be ahead of cheesers.

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3 most important things in RTS: Scout, Never stop making workers(gathering resources), and keep your resources low (spend them).
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Azera
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3800 Posts
October 26 2011 07:12 GMT
#16
"I'm a professional gamer. I can't stand it when other pros cheese, I find it very annoying especially when it is a BO3 and it's the last game and I want to play a good macro game and I just get rushed. I used to rage about it hardcore and leave the game without even saying 'gg', but recently, I've learnt to cope with it and I've been pretty baller lately."




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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6593 Posts
October 26 2011 07:35 GMT
#17
just learn to scout better because sadly this never stops. Yesterday I had two players complaining to me about how every Z they faced were roach/ling all-inning them every game and thats diamond and masters
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Jakesully
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States24 Posts
October 26 2011 07:56 GMT
#18
When I started out last month, cheese bugged the hell out of me - largely because I didn't (and still don't, really) know how to defend against it. I can't claim that I'm perfect now, but I've gotten a lot better, and fighting off that ling rush is a good feeling.

It's part of the game, and technically legit - just know that you're working to become a better player, while they just want the points and (in some cases) to get you to ragequit.
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