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I thought that this was thread worthy, since there are no blogs.
My game story;
Just finshed a game of normal draft before I go to bed anyway it was a standard game at the start really, cause I am bad my team had no jungler which was the only notable. So anyway I am playing urgot in mid cause I like to snowball my lategame for the team with a good early game and urgot is pretty good at that. So the other teams cass is mid, yeah pretty annoying with per poisons and what not. Anyway laning against her was easy as, I assume this cass has only been taking advantage of the free cass week becuase she was bad to say the least, within the 1st 8 minutes I had her completely owned and just missed a kill on her due to my own noobishness (a lock on q hit a minion instead of her) and she left the game for some weird reason (roughly 15mins later she rejoined again).
So here I am having this completely uncontested mid lane all to myself. The other team did not send someone over for a good 3 minutes, so I did what urgot does best and farm up and push my lane. Eventually the other teams Zilean comes to the lanes defense and a status quo begins where I can't quite zone zilean out of exp range but he cant really do much to get gold from minions. Eventually Udyr comes in for a gank being the other teams jungler but I see him, see him at half health because of wards in the bushes and instantly e him and q,q,q, it doesnt quite kill him but he wandered into tower range, so I am now 1 up, Zilean was there but he missed his ulti much to my suprise (and delight).
At this point I have so much gold from cs that at 12 minutes I am pretty ****ed stong and the rest of the game continued like that.
Anyway now to the OP part, there is a Sion on the enemey team and he is trying to backdoor whilst we push, fair enough. Sure enough we take tower and Kayle and I go to stop him. We get there and hit him just before he teleports away. I use my E, hit him, then proceed to alternate between autoattacks and my q and he dies pretty fast whilst being slowed.
The next thing I see in chat is Sion saying how OP Urgot is because I am slowing with my q. At this point I am laughing my ass off, he had clearly never played Urgot before as he had no idea that my shield had to be up to slow.
So he continues ragaing at me as I try to explain to him that its not that strong of a slow , but no he just doesn't care. At this point in the game we are pushing the mid inhibitor and my items consist of a manamune, brutaliser, dash boots (I like them on him cause hes SO SLOW) a black cleaver and a frozen heart. Apparently its not the fact that I am so fed thats the issue its only my slow (and cass).
Then in post game he qq's more at me saying gg.
This is why you should have a few games under you belt before you cry qq
tl;dr
A sion player thinks urgots slow is op becuase it stopped him from escaping a gank
completely ignores his own teams failings
has never played urgot and has no idea that the shield has to be up for it to be effective
had no manners at all
this is why you need to actually understand a champoion before you qq about them
 
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what game are we talking about here
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On October 03 2011 22:43 BordZ wrote:
LoL, League of legends
pretty sure its Pokemans
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Basically imagine the worst of the worst of the sc2 community and balance and times it by 100 over something like at least 30 (there are a lot more I think) champions.
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League of legends ofcourse
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Its about 70 and none of them are balanced, but what you described happens every 2nd game to me.
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i played LoL like 30 games and im like fuck that. i know the names of like 8 champions (which explains why i didnt know which game this was...). and from my experiences, the game isn't really meant to be balanced...it would be near impossible to balance them anyways. way too many champions, combined with runes and masteries makes it impossible for it to be fair for everyone
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Erm the balancing in LoL is actually quite good. The only chance something is imba are when a new hero rolls out and that is soon subject to changes...
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In every single team matchup it can't be perfectly fair. i can't really take the game seriously competitively though. it seems super casual to me.
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It's a little too balanced now to the point where things are feeling so unfun.
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On October 03 2011 22:48 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
Erm the balancing in LoL is actually quite good. The only chance something is imba are when a new hero rolls out and that is soon subject to changes...
The "balancing" came about because Riot decided to release just about every champ after Garen with some sort of blink. It made the game fucking miserable for months because all you had to do to win was pick a new(er) champ, and abuse your mobility. Soon everyone was playing agile champs, so for a while the game seemed to have settled. Cue the tanky metagame that overtook the scene, a few more champ releases, and here we are now.
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Urgot smells like infestors.
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Not gonna lie I actually thought it was pokemans for the first paragraph or so, after that I was just confused and stopped reading = / Glad 4th poster was able to clarify though
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On October 03 2011 23:25 FreshandLegit wrote:
Not gonna lie I actually thought it was pokemans for the first paragraph or so, after that I was just confused and stopped reading = / Glad 4th poster was able to clarify though
I thought it was Magic: The Gathering for a while. Up until about the point where he mentions feeding/creeps/towers etc
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This doesn't really seem like its blogworthy, it's more like you complaining that someone called your favorite hero OP as for balance in LoL, no way that with that many hero's the game can be anywhere near balanced in the sense that an equally skilled player from each character can do as well, but for the most part I think that compositions can be pretty balanced with the ban system.
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How could you call LoL not balanced?
At the moment there is only 1 OP hero (lee sin) and 1 slightly OP (morg). And that's not even a problem, because you can ban 4 heros when playing ranked (and more in tourneys). Looking at GSL (hi there terran) I'd say LoL is even more balanced than SC2
EDIT: The above post stating that it is not balanced, because equally skilled players can't win with every hero is completely illogical. That's like saying SC2 is only balanced if you can build any unit you want and win with it
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On October 04 2011 00:14 MaGariShun wrote:
How could you call LoL not balanced?
At the moment there is only 1 OP hero (lee sin) and 1 slightly OP (morg). And that's not even a problem, because you can ban 4 heros when playing ranked (and more in tourneys). Looking at GSL (hi there terran) I'd say LoL is even more balanced than SC2
EDIT: The above post stating that it is not balanced, because equally skilled players can't win with every hero is completely illogical. That's like saying SC2 is only balanced if you can build any unit you want and win with it
Riot seems to disagree with you as they are gonna nerf Irelia next patch "cause shes too strong".
Though beyond that your post is pretty correct, Lee Sin is very strong and Morgana is a immovable object in lane. Plus Morgana's ulti is worse than Amumus, if it lands in a team fight you will most of the time come out on top.
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LoL is pretty balanced.
There are always some stronger champions than others but you can ban 4. Of course you have to play your pick/ban game right but if you do so there is no problems.
People who cry IMBA are probably lvl 19 with no experience in ranked. From 1300+ elo you usually have no problems playing a fair game.
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Basically any champ can be seen as OP when they get fed and are way ahead in lvls/gold then everyone else. Silly people. Had my 1st intentional feeder player in a long time in ranked today. Sucked :\
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nevar play pogeman if u suk :d
hope this helps
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On October 04 2011 01:26 prplhz wrote:
nevar play pogeman if u suk :d
hope this helps
u gotta skate
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On October 04 2011 00:14 MaGariShun wrote:
How could you call LoL not balanced?
At the moment there is only 1 OP hero (lee sin) and 1 slightly OP (morg). And that's not even a problem, because you can ban 4 heros when playing ranked (and more in tourneys). Looking at GSL (hi there terran) I'd say LoL is even more balanced than SC2
You're kidding right? There is no way in hell LoL is more balanced than SC2 because a lot of heroes aren't even viable competitively at the top level. Also, the fact that you can ban 4 heroes doesn't make any imbalanced hero any less imbalanced. I'm not crying that LoL is imbalanced, I agree it's a pretty balanced game, but I would in no way say it's more balanced than SC2.
I don't really want to derail this thread so I'll leave it at that, I just can't believe someone on TL would argue that LoL is more balanced than SC2 though.
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On October 03 2011 23:34 GigaFlop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 23:25 FreshandLegit wrote:
Not gonna lie I actually thought it was pokemans for the first paragraph or so, after that I was just confused and stopped reading = / Glad 4th poster was able to clarify though I thought it was Magic: The Gathering for a while. Up until about the point where he mentions feeding/creeps/towers etc
Ahaha, so did I. :D
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Urgot isnt op. Annie can shit on Urgot all day with all her AP
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Taiwan619 Posts
wtf are you guys rambling about. this is clearly about pokemon
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Cool story bro.
User was warned for this post
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try cho gath with a gunblade speed boots and a mericle hes sustainable as all hell and then you can build him either full on ap nomnom or tanky.
I'm working on a hybrid tanky cho thats working wonders in normal's.
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On October 04 2011 01:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 00:14 MaGariShun wrote:
How could you call LoL not balanced?
At the moment there is only 1 OP hero (lee sin) and 1 slightly OP (morg). And that's not even a problem, because you can ban 4 heros when playing ranked (and more in tourneys). Looking at GSL (hi there terran) I'd say LoL is even more balanced than SC2
You're kidding right? There is no way in hell LoL is more balanced than SC2 because a lot of heroes aren't even viable competitively at the top level. Also, the fact that you can ban 4 heroes doesn't make any imbalanced hero any less imbalanced. I'm not crying that LoL is imbalanced, I agree it's a pretty balanced game, but I would in no way say it's more balanced than SC2. I don't really want to derail this thread so I'll leave it at that, I just can't believe someone on TL would argue that LoL is more balanced than SC2 though.
the ban pick phase makes it balanced. you pick the people you play with one at a time and saying the 2 people you don't want in the game and the other team does the same. picking shitty hero comps isn't riots problem.
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Urgot is very good. I played 5 games with him in the free week in ranked. I currently have an average of 11 kills 1-2 death and 11 assists with 100% winrate. You can outlane pretty much all ad carries at bot lane except cait(that range and trap is just too strong).
League has a few very strong heroes like GP, fiddlestick(imo strongest champion until high elo since low elo people don't ward as much and just die to his ult+cc), and amumu. They are much stronger than most other heroes. But bans can often take care of these heroes.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On October 04 2011 01:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 00:14 MaGariShun wrote:
How could you call LoL not balanced?
At the moment there is only 1 OP hero (lee sin) and 1 slightly OP (morg). And that's not even a problem, because you can ban 4 heros when playing ranked (and more in tourneys). Looking at GSL (hi there terran) I'd say LoL is even more balanced than SC2
You're kidding right? There is no way in hell LoL is more balanced than SC2 because a lot of heroes aren't even viable competitively at the top level. Also, the fact that you can ban 4 heroes doesn't make any imbalanced hero any less imbalanced. I'm not crying that LoL is imbalanced, I agree it's a pretty balanced game, but I would in no way say it's more balanced than SC2. I don't really want to derail this thread so I'll leave it at that, I just can't believe someone on TL would argue that LoL is more balanced than SC2 though.
I think you are the one that is kidding...SC2 balance is horrid still. Broodwar needed years to be balanced and SC2 is no different, its not even close yet.
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On October 04 2011 03:36 xbankx wrote:
Urgot is very good. I played 5 games with him in the free week in ranked. I currently have an average of 11 kills 1-2 death and 11 assists with 100% winrate.
No offense directly at you but these kind of statement makes me giggle everytime. How can you dertermine that a champion is "very good" based on your 10:1 ratio. Randomly stating your stats does not prove anything. If you were in the top 200 elo, it would. But maybe your ranking is 800 elo and your ranked game doesn't provide any good analogy.
Don't take it too serious but if you want to prove a point, state some facts, not some random "I did a pentakill once with eve, SHE IS OP"
Takling about urgot I think he does just fine, he's as good as ashe, cait, trist, ezreal, kog, mf, vayne etc...
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On October 04 2011 03:29 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 01:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On October 04 2011 00:14 MaGariShun wrote:
How could you call LoL not balanced?
At the moment there is only 1 OP hero (lee sin) and 1 slightly OP (morg). And that's not even a problem, because you can ban 4 heros when playing ranked (and more in tourneys). Looking at GSL (hi there terran) I'd say LoL is even more balanced than SC2
You're kidding right? There is no way in hell LoL is more balanced than SC2 because a lot of heroes aren't even viable competitively at the top level. Also, the fact that you can ban 4 heroes doesn't make any imbalanced hero any less imbalanced. I'm not crying that LoL is imbalanced, I agree it's a pretty balanced game, but I would in no way say it's more balanced than SC2. I don't really want to derail this thread so I'll leave it at that, I just can't believe someone on TL would argue that LoL is more balanced than SC2 though. the ban pick phase makes it balanced. you pick the people you play with one at a time and saying the 2 people you don't want in the game and the other team does the same. picking shitty hero comps isn't riots problem.
That's not how video games are supposed to work.
Edit, to clarify: Counter-picks do not auto-balance a game. That's strategy, not balancing. If you are using a particular strategy to deal with something imbalanced, well then... your game is imbalanced.
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League of Legends; I think it's also one of the hardest games to play at the highest level because the game changes state every 2 weeks. If any of the 'Flavour of the Month' champions, or plays catch on for more than 2 weeks, expect some patch notes to change that. In addition, there are no (official) replays, a huge variety of 'strategy' sites and only a core set of streamers being watched; it's impossible to consistently learn and practise the game.
Any hero is OP when correctly pubstomping. Maybe with a BO5 with 2 of the best teams playing the same champs making the same plays (picks & bans!) we can really declare champs as OP.
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because LoL is based on a more team based strategy (ganking), doesn't matter if there are 1 or 2 op characters.
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On October 04 2011 04:39 Yammiez wrote:
League of Legends; I think it's also one of the hardest games to play at the highest level because the game changes state every 2 weeks. If any of the 'Flavour of the Month' champions, or plays catch on for more than 2 weeks, expect some patch notes to change that. In addition, there are no (official) replays, a huge variety of 'strategy' sites and only a core set of streamers being watched; it's impossible to consistently learn and practise the game.
Any hero is OP when correctly pubstomping. Maybe with a BO5 with 2 of the best teams playing the same champs making the same plays (picks & bans!) we can really declare champs as OP.
Vlad says hello :D
Then goodbye D:
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OK, I should note a few things,
Urgot is not my favourite hero at all (that would be karth), hes just the ranged ad I got and his runes synergise with my ap hero runes.
I am not complaining, no idea where that came from, I am laughing at the stupidity of someone.
I needed to clear my mind before bed and I wrote that poor bit of text to do so.
Finally I better stop procrastinating and get back to my uni work
And yes vlad is up, imo.
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People complain about my LeBlanc all the time when i 1-combo them 30 minutes into the game when they still haven't got any magic resistance or health items while i have all of my core items.
LoL seems to have a lot more balance whine than even SC2, which is quite the feat.
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Urgot's pretty fun. He's strong if played correctly because you can completely screw up the enemy carry if they get careless and get aces when your team has no business getting them. He's pretty balanced all around though.
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