• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:16
CET 22:16
KST 06:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners8Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon!33$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship6[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win9
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Starcraft, SC2, HoTS, WC3, returning to Blizzcon! Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1639 users

Is it worth investing in amateur BW? - Page 3

Blogs > sCCrooked
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
September 26 2011 19:19 GMT
#41
Why does the OP's first 4 thread links go to 3 threads about specific korean news (jaedong updates, kal and pure apply for ace, yellow advertises a poker site). I don't see why that has relevance to foreign broodwar (yes, I know the content of the thread posters will talk about it, but the thread themselves are only about korea).

Korea has been the place for bw for a long time. Definitely at this point investing in foreign bw is not going to happen.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Brad`
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
September 26 2011 19:46 GMT
#42
[B]On September 27 2011 03:02 Hawk wrote:[/B

Actually, I'm talking to a condescending random on the internet,


lol, talk about Pot calling the kettle black.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2093 Posts
September 26 2011 20:09 GMT
#43
The way I see it, there are a number of possible paths left for BW.

1) Things might continue to go downhill and the game will essentially die. Sadly, this seems pretty likely.
2) Things will continue to just tick over the way they are for a long time, maybe a bit smaller, but continuing. I would like that actually, but it doesn't seem particularly realistic.
3) Somehow a significant chunk of Chinese people become permanently involved in watching and playing BW. That would be a real boost that would last for quite some time. In my opinion, that's the last possible way to "save" BW in the sense that most fans would like. It seems possible, but not particularly easy. A Chinese pro team would help a lot.

Well, good luck us, I guess.

Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
September 26 2011 22:10 GMT
#44
On September 27 2011 04:01 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 03:59 Armathai wrote:
If Iccup or any other server could implement matchmaking into a launcher, BW would seriously see a revival. However I think the game might be too dated to create a function like that, not to mention to the coding difficulties.

It already exists.

However, it came out at the wrong time and far too late and promptly died.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=112245


Wow I missed this entirely when it came out, golden find Harem.
To bad the project seems dead, I wonder if we can get it back alive.

Everyone here should consider checking the link harem put up out!

Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
Tadah
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden120 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-26 23:29:58
September 26 2011 23:22 GMT
#45
I think large sums of money poored into the foreign scene could go a long way in keeping it not only alive, but indeed prospering outside of Korea even. Whether it's sponsoring tournaments with all of what that might entail (just having a nice pricepool/hiring people to do casting/video editing and such to spruse things up) or creating a web portal where BW is the main attraction and isn't looked upon by the newer crowd as some antiquated cobweb infested game crumbling apart, is all equally good.

I wouldn't see any of those measures as keeping it alive artificially. What is that even supposed to mean, "artificially"? If people get hyped because a tournament has quite substantial winnings and decide, on that basis alone, to watch it, and the viewership figure rises as a result, does that make the rise in popularity artificial? Isn't thats what happening with SC2 right now? That scene is basically built on hype alone, not on any of its "own" merits. I've heard quite a few pro players trash-talk SC2 and yet they still play the game. Why? Could it be because of money per chance? Without money the defiler tourneys would probably never be held any longer, and... ? The same applies to the ISL's or any other tournament for that matter. Does that somehow invalidate them; does it undermine their legitimacy or decrease their spectating value, that if not for people sponsoring the events we wouldn't have them in the first place? Granted, whatever investments you make into the foreign scene won't be able to give it the nudge needed to overtake SC2 in viewership terms or the like. But, if you invest wisely, you could very well stabilize the BW scene and perhaps even create and upward slope as far as BW players/viewers/site visitors is concerned.

Far be it from me to tell you to spend your money and what to spend it on, but if creating a stable- if not growing BW scene outside of Korea is your objective then than I would instruct you to act as I would in your position. I would be waving a wad of cash infront of some programers and tell them to create a new BW client that included all of the best additional features that have been created and released by the community/blizzard over the years (zoom-in/out feature, supply/apm counter, matchmaking system, updated "helpful tips" guides, fpvod viewing, the ability to follow a unit by clicking its icon, built in streaming/recording capabilites, ability to rewind replays, the list goes and and on and on). And a BW version with HD resolution wouldn't be bad either :p I dont know how costly this would get though and whether or not you'd get any significant return on your investement, however I do know that this is what I would do.

Just don't listen to the pessimists around here trying to sell you on the "artificial" argument, BW is such a superior game over SC2 (imo) that I, like you, think old pros who've switched would be willing to play both side by side or even switch back fully, even if it would be a risky career move and pay less, if just for the chance to play the game I'm certain they hold to be the more enjoyable and rewarding one to play. As I said, challenging SC2 head on is proably foolish, but to increase the influx of new players by making it easier to get started and improving is nine tenths of getting an exponential curve started that would be the lynchpin to secure the future of the scene to ensure that the newer generation of gamers get to grow up in a world of e-sport, with BW as the flagship leading the way.

In conclusion, you just gotta take the leap man. Take it! For BW.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 03:32:35
September 27 2011 03:31 GMT
#46
On September 27 2011 04:46 Brad` wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On September 27 2011 03:02 Hawk wrote:[/B

Actually, I'm talking to a condescending random on the internet,


lol, talk about Pot calling the kettle black.

Maybe I'm missing the joke but Hawk is well known and liked here. He's hardly a random.
edit: i must have missed the joke.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 27 2011 05:19 GMT
#47
If you got a contract with ESPN, it'd be gravy
people would definitely watch it, too, if they didn't have to leave their couches and mcdonalds
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
September 27 2011 12:35 GMT
#48
On September 27 2011 00:14 luckylefty wrote:
I never played Brood War. From what I have heard from all the pro's/ people from BW was that it was a small scene anyway (foreigner wise). My question is why if it wasn't that big before, would it all of sudden become big? You can pump money into anything, but if the community isn't there then it won't matter.

Also where would you "find" money...


I can probably fork up a couple hundreds to get some tournaments started
Apink/Girl's Day/miss A/IU/Crayon Pop/Sistar/Exo K :D l Kpop and Kdrama Enthusiast
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LAN Event
18:00
Stellar Fest: Day 1
Zoun vs LamboLIVE!
TriGGeR vs GeraldLIVE!
ComeBackTV 842
UrsaTVCanada570
IndyStarCraft 282
CranKy Ducklings219
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 282
White-Ra 264
UpATreeSC 90
JuggernautJason67
Railgan 59
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 165
Backho 51
League of Legends
Trikslyr59
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps960
byalli334
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu407
Other Games
Grubby3922
tarik_tv2252
qojqva1127
Beastyqt717
fl0m492
Mlord469
B2W.Neo414
shahzam361
ToD154
C9.Mang096
QueenE58
ZombieGrub42
OptimusSC28
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL151
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 48
• Dystopia_ 2
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 17
• 80smullet 11
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• imaqtpie2495
• TFBlade962
Other Games
• Shiphtur233
• tFFMrPink 10
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
5h 44m
CranKy Ducklings
12h 44m
IPSL
20h 44m
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
LAN Event
20h 44m
BSL 21
22h 44m
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs Sterling
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 12h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 14h
IPSL
1d 20h
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
LAN Event
1d 20h
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
1d 22h
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.