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MKP to MLG Orlando

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Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
September 16 2011 03:56 GMT
#1
Milkis is doing a drive on reddit to bring MKP to MLG Orlando.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/kh4vm/mkp_to_mlg_budget_proposal/

Since he didn't post here himself I won't bring it into SC2 General, but will do this blog to offer some insight.

On the drive itself
Some are voicing the opinion it's outrageous to fly a successful player on a strong team to a tournament with community's money. However:

1) Our money is ours to do whatever we please with.
2) I pay about 120$ monthly to have crappy cable programming (welcome to third world), I'd gladly contribute a fraction of that to have an awesome ESPORTS storyline and my favorite player to watch through a weekend.

On the budget
Flight - to do a detailed comparison I'll assume he would arrive a day before and leave a day after MLG, and I'll use the awesome Matrix flight search from ITA Software (so good it was eventually bought by Google)

Consider it's standard to have at least one steward that speaks the language of the country in question, so language barrier isn't really a factor, besides the trip requires a connection with an US carrier anyway.

$1383.20 on United economy class
+ Show Spoiler [Flight details] +
Seoul (ICN) to San Francisco (SFO) - qui, out 13
United 892 Dep: 5:05pm Arr: 11:21am 10h 16m Boeing 747 Coach (S)

Layover in SFO 2h 22m

United San Francisco (SFO) to Orlando (MCO) - qui, out 13
United 292 Dep: 1:43pm Arr: 9:56pm 5h 13m Airbus A320 Coach (S)

Orlando (MCO) to Seoul (ICN) - seg, out 17
United Orlando (MCO) to San Francisco (SFO) - seg, out 17
United 327 Dep: 7:11am Arr: 9:53am 5h 42m Boeing 757 Coach (S)

Layover in SFO 1h 7m

United San Francisco (SFO) to Seoul (ICN) - seg, out 17
United 893 Dep: 11:00am Arr: 3:10pm 12h 10m Boeing 747 Coach (S)

What he probably would have on the international sector:
[image loading]

$2337.20 on Korean Air economy class (if only that 2 was a 1 )
+ Show Spoiler [Flight details] +
Seoul (ICN) to Atlanta (ATL) - qui, out 13
Korean Air 35 Dep: 10:30am Arr: 10:45am 13h 15m Boeing 747 Coach (M)

Layover in ATL 2h 15m

Korean Air Atlanta (ATL) to Orlando (MCO) - qui, out 13
Korean Air 7073 Dep: 1:00pm Arr: 2:28pm 1h 28m Boeing 757 Coach (M)
OPERATED BY DELTA

Orlando (MCO) to Seoul (ICN) - seg, out 17

Korean Air Orlando (MCO) to Atlanta (ATL) - seg, out 17
Korean Air 7074 Dep: 9:30am Arr: 10:59am 1h 29m Boeing 757 Coach (M)
OPERATED BY DELTA Layover in ATL 2h 1m

Korean Air Atlanta (ATL) to Seoul (ICN) - seg, out 17
Korean Air 36 Dep: 1:00pm Arr: 4:45pm 14h 45m Boeing 747 Coach (M)

What he probably would have on the international sector:
[image loading]

Since no one seems to be seriously considering business class I won't post those.

Korean Air's economy class is one of the best in the world, but is hardly worth a $1000 premium. Unless MKP has a fetish for inflight entertainment, the United economy option is a no-brainer. No need to go out of the way to impress a progamer being flown across Pacific by his own fans!

Hotel - definitely the most convenient available. I've played on a couple of poker tournaments and would comfortably pay twice as much to stay at the event's hotel or as close as possible.

Food - if we are even considering paying $1000 more for a different carrier I can't imagine feeding him microwaved rice, sure Orlando as a major tourist destination has plenty of good restaurants, the real problem is to shuttle him around while Milkis is busy with MLG.

Finally, a big issue is that we can expect a swell of donations as the tournament approaches, but cheap travel relies on advance booking. If we count on a month to raise funds, the price will go up by thousands of dollars and hotels can become unavailable. If we want to support this we should do it immediately, anyway we can.

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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
September 16 2011 04:00 GMT
#2
It's really touching how the community unites to pull off something like this. Go Reddit, Milkis, and everyone else involved! I'm sure MKP is absolutely thrilled to have so much support from you all! ^_^
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
September 16 2011 04:02 GMT
#3
The real reason Milkis wants to fly him on Korean Air is because the rest of the Korean progamers going to Orlando will be on the same flight.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 04:16:05
September 16 2011 04:09 GMT
#4
On September 16 2011 13:02 Kraznaya wrote:
The real reason Milkis wants to fly him on Korean Air is because the rest of the Korean progamers going to Orlando will be on the same flight.


That was presented as a third option:

Korean Air only if Koreans are on the same flight (we wait a few days for the finalized budget)


But if they do either there's a lot of money to burn on the LXP, or they get a special fare (very common between businesses) that would be nice to check if it could be extended to this initiative.
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
September 16 2011 04:13 GMT
#5
$1k is quite expensive considering the differences. Any other options?

I found out the hard way that not all United Air flights have power outlets for laptops in economy class even for international flights... without proper entertainment it would feel like riding a slave ship for such a long flight.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 16 2011 04:14 GMT
#6
I thought that the reason he wanted Korean Air was so that MKP was on the same flight as the Korean invites, making it alot easier for both MKP and Milkis?
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
September 16 2011 04:20 GMT
#7
Wow, this is huge.

What's the plan for fund raising? Paypal donation? Selling stuffs?

I want to donate, but unfortunately I'm on a tight budget.

Can't wait too see how's it turned out
Entaro Adun!
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
September 16 2011 04:23 GMT
#8
On September 16 2011 13:20 antas wrote:
Wow, this is huge.

What's the plan for fund raising? Paypal donation? Selling stuffs?

I want to donate, but unfortunately I'm on a tight budget.

Can't wait too see how's it turned out

Milkis is hiring several thousand first-graders to sell lemonade in their front yards. The children will be compensated for their efforts with Milk Duds and Capri-Sun juice.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
September 16 2011 04:28 GMT
#9
On September 16 2011 13:13 Hikari wrote:
$1k is quite expensive considering the differences. Any other options?

I found out the hard way that not all United Air flights have power outlets for laptops in economy class even for international flights... without proper entertainment it would feel like riding a slave ship for such a long flight.


There is a Delta flight for $1430.20 on a much nicer aircraft, but the international leg goes up to 14h instead of 12h.

+ Show Spoiler [Flight details] +
Seoul (ICN) to Detroit (DTW) - qui, out 13
Delta 158 Dep: 5:20pm Arr: 5:25pm 13h 5m Boeing 777 Coach (L)

Layover in DTW 2h 19m

Delta Detroit (DTW) to Orlando (MCO) - qui, out 13
Delta 1405 Dep: 7:44pm Arr: 10:27pm 2h 43m Boeing 757 Coach (L)

Orlando (MCO) to Seoul (ICN) - seg, out 17
Delta Orlando (MCO) to Detroit (DTW) - seg, out 17
Delta 2328 Dep: 8:20am Arr: 11:02am 2h 42m Boeing 757 Coach (L)

Layover in DTW 1h 13m

Delta Detroit (DTW) to Seoul (ICN) - seg, out 17
Delta 159 Dep: 12:15pm Arr: 3:20pm 14h 5m Boeing 777 Coach (L)

[image loading]
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51416 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 04:41:18
September 16 2011 04:41 GMT
#10
i know i'm slightly going off topic but i'd like to emphasise on this

Some are voicing the opinion it's outrageous to fly a successful player on a strong team to a tournament with community's money.


people should realise sc2 in korea isn't as big as people think it is. if teams are struggling to pay their players a salary, it's obvious they can't send players overseas
Commentator
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
September 16 2011 04:45 GMT
#11
I foresee a counter-movement: top foreigners raise money to keep Koreans from coming to MLG.

The Tyler Wasieleski "Oh Shit, Keep Him Far Away From America" Fund for the Prevention of DRGs.
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p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
September 16 2011 04:50 GMT
#12
Hahahahah bob.
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Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
September 16 2011 04:50 GMT
#13
On September 16 2011 13:45 SonuvBob wrote:
I foresee a counter-movement: top foreigners raise money to keep Koreans from coming to MLG.

The Tyler Wasieleski "Oh Shit, Keep Him Far Away From America" Fund for the Prevention of DRGs.


"So what do you plan to do with your prize money?!"

"Oh, well there are some Koreans that want to come to the next tournament so I'll probably work on that."

On topic: I think it's freaking awesome that people would pay to get 'their player' to an event. I just hope it doesn't get to a point where players get upset that they aren't getting the same treatment but whatev, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. GOGO MKP!
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 16 2011 04:57 GMT
#14
On September 16 2011 13:50 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 13:45 SonuvBob wrote:
I foresee a counter-movement: top foreigners raise money to keep Koreans from coming to MLG.

The Tyler Wasieleski "Oh Shit, Keep Him Far Away From America" Fund for the Prevention of DRGs.


"So what do you plan to do with your prize money?!"

"Oh, well there are some Koreans that want to come to the next tournament so I'll probably work on that."

On topic: I think it's freaking awesome that people would pay to get 'their player' to an event. I just hope it doesn't get to a point where players get upset that they aren't getting the same treatment but whatev, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. GOGO MKP!

On that note I find it interesting that MKP hasn't been an MLG invite yet, seeing as he's consistently been a top tier Terran and a fan favorite as well. I guess with the Korean Terran onslaught and getting the big(ger) names as well as the ones currently winning there's no room for MKP...
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 05:15:37
September 16 2011 05:11 GMT
#15
On September 16 2011 13:41 GTR wrote:
i know i'm slightly going off topic but i'd like to emphasise on this

Show nested quote +
Some are voicing the opinion it's outrageous to fly a successful player on a strong team to a tournament with community's money.


people should realise sc2 in korea isn't as big as people think it is. if teams are struggling to pay their players a salary, it's obvious they can't send players overseas



I think it should be more of a 60 - 40 with the community contributing 60% (return tickets + food assistance maybe?). MKP has 2 second place finishes in GSL, he should atleast be able to pay for his stay if the community contributes so much to him monetarily. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, it need not be all or nothing.

My $0.02.
Envy fan since NTH.
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
September 16 2011 05:16 GMT
#16
If I was MKP I'd prefer $1000 extra going to some retardedly expensive food and take the crappier flight xD.

Though I can see why he'd want to fly in with the other Koreans .
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
September 16 2011 05:32 GMT
#17
On September 16 2011 13:45 SonuvBob wrote:
I foresee a counter-movement: top foreigners raise money to keep Koreans from coming to MLG.

The Tyler Wasieleski "Oh Shit, Keep Him Far Away From America" Fund for the Prevention of DRGs.


Quite a sharp wit.
Sprungjeezy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1313 Posts
September 16 2011 05:34 GMT
#18
On September 16 2011 14:11 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 13:41 GTR wrote:
i know i'm slightly going off topic but i'd like to emphasise on this

Some are voicing the opinion it's outrageous to fly a successful player on a strong team to a tournament with community's money.


people should realise sc2 in korea isn't as big as people think it is. if teams are struggling to pay their players a salary, it's obvious they can't send players overseas



I think it should be more of a 60 - 40 with the community contributing 60% (return tickets + food assistance maybe?). MKP has 2 second place finishes in GSL, he should atleast be able to pay for his stay if the community contributes so much to him monetarily. I guess the point I'm trying to make is, it need not be all or nothing.

My $0.02.


What your suggesting is getting closer and closer to a sponsorship. Might as well name the donation Reddit/TL Fund and make him wear a logo.

The drive is for the love of MKP/SC2 certainly if the drive yields an insufficient amount it might be fair to send it to MKP and ask him to get the rest.

I wish I had money to give, GL.
frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
September 16 2011 05:35 GMT
#19
I wonder if there could be a TL attack with MKP and have donations...

I know that some community events have amazing donation responses [TotalBiscuit's tournaments come to mind... holy shit they're amazing]
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JoFritzMD
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia163 Posts
September 16 2011 06:09 GMT
#20
If I didn't live in Australia and could actually go to MLG Orlando I would actually donate the extra 1000$ needed to bump up his flight to the better standard and I'd even shout him all of his meal costs.
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