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I've been banned before, and temp banned as well. First time was because I posted a comment in the "post a picture of you and your boyfriend/girlfriend" thread that a guy's fiancée looked like a dude. I believe my exact words were "Dude that's a dude" while quoting his post. That got me a perma ban. I appealed and eventually got my account back.
I see how that was wrong. And very mean. While I regret saying that. It did made me learn that TL wasn't no normal forum. Coming from Playdota.com where you have to be a little more extreme to be banned, Or get on the nerves of the moderators. I had become accustomed to a more lax and troll friendly posting style. Seeing as my humour can be quite "base" at times.
Lately I have been temp banned for posting Image Macros. I still feel image macros have their place. I like being able to sum up how I feel in a simple image macro. Thou I can see how it does dirty's up a forum and devolves the communication level of the members to that of the common 4chan poster.
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Now, what I'd like to know is What makes an Ideal TL.net poster? and maybe even get community feedback on my posting, to know what others think of my posting.
On to good posters. Now I've seen some excellent posters.
Like:
CaucasianAsian and his A Picture Says 1,000 Words thread comes to mind. It has spawned many fantastic heart wrenching/thought provoking/moving images. Really great thread that has improved TL for me. Since it has such emotional appeal.
Another is Coagulation and his Blue Creature Thread. Fantastic work done. Amazing creatures. And a awesome way to connect with other forums!
But then I also think, the "bad" posters make TL.net so beautiful. Why else would Grobyc The Automated Ban List thread be so popular? There is some joy in seeing the stupidity, trolling and "terrible-ness" of some posters.
TL I believe has found a good ground of strictness. That has fostered IMO one of the very best forums on the internet.
I'm curious to know what others think. Can you link me some fantastic posters and fantastic threads? I'll update this post.
Cheers all
Edit Update: (User Profile Images In Spoilers) Poster Recommendation, as per TL member comments(In no particular order): SirJolt + Show Spoiler +
vGl-CoW + Show Spoiler +
ILOVEKITTENS + Show Spoiler +
Chef + Show Spoiler +
My_Digital_Toss
Torte de Lini ( <- I think he's a great TL Member )
MoltkeWarding + Show Spoiler +
   
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Mods are pretty strict and I personally thing that's a downside to TL.
On the other hand at least you dont get banned for dropping the f bomb so I guess that's an improvement over some forums.
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TL mods closed my thread about wiping my butt, I am still unhappy about it
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I think its just not possible for everybody to become 'an ideal poster'. It should be mentioned though that lurker's are also somewhat ideal: they know their position and realize that they are not able to produce quality content and refrain from trolling/flaming.
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If you abide by the rules, it's really not that hard to stay unbanned. Putting a little effort into your posts will keep you from being warned. Putting a lot of effort will probably make you an ideal poster.
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Just like any situation in life, approach the board with intelligence and with a mannerism of treating others the way you would like to be treated.
I like that TL is moderated the way it is. It is the first forum I feel I've been able to get involved with. The range of content on this website is unbelievable, with some truly unique threads.
Try to post with your head not your heart. It's OK to disagree with someone but the way I see some people do it is just rude. If I feel I'm going to become like that, I just don't participate.
My take on this.
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Check out some of SirJolt's blogs. They're fantastic.
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They may be strict, but I often feel that they are policing the wrong issues, placing harmonious coexistence + Show Spoiler +(Jesus Christ, is there no proper term for "harmonisches Miteinander" in English? My vocab is failing me again) above intellectual rigor, which does of course make sense if you want to maintain popularity among a large community of people, but continuously angers me a lot, got me 2 temp bans, after which I took notice of this prioritization, and keeps it from being an even better forum for honest discussion. Unfortunately this is their house and you can't do much about it other than to learn the rules or to get lost, voluntarily or forcefully, take your pick.
That's how I see it.
Discouragement of overly short posts or image macros simply seems to be the compromise they felt most comfortable with, or the one which promised them the most utility.
That last line made me angry again. I can't stand people who put social peace before honesty. D:
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look up my_digital_toss aka MDT
quite possibly the greatest poster ever to post on these fine forums
in general though, since the majority of us cannot be that awesome we are stuck with the necessity for wittiness, intelligence, kindness (not always applicable but generally good to have) as well as effort placed into each post (this one is really hard to do, and i try my best to do so however its not always possible for me :'( ) you should be a good poster if you just follow the rules though, they make a pretty good guideline for this
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On August 25 2011 10:01 xHassassin wrote: Mods are pretty strict and I personally thing that's a downside to TL.
On the other hand at least you dont get banned for dropping the f bomb so I guess that's an improvement over some forums.
I think it's definitely better; if you look at any other forums there's often very little quality posts; it's just people using memes and etc.
That being said, once you contribute enough, you can post very low quality posts and the mods will be okay with it because you've already proven yourself to not be a retard. This is basically the treatment that experienced members get.
When people make joke posts and don't get banned for it, often times it's subtle humor, or humor that isn't like "stupid" jokes (unless you're baller).
That's why I think TL is awesome; the average post is of higher quality, the trolls have to be subtle and intelligent, and the mods have pronounced personalities.
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I like chef's blogs, he's a good poster. If you haven't seen this blog I think its tl canon.This and obviously this. Oh and every rekrul blog starting from the beginning... Here this thread has a lot of classics
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I like being able to sum up how I feel in a simple image macro. The problem is nobody cares how you feel if it can be summed up in a simple image macro. Think about what other posters want to read, and you will be an ok poster. It's not about expressing yourself, it's about writing something someone else might be interested in, or at least showing a vague attempt to do so. Nobody is entertained or intrigued by seeing a face palm macro for the millionth time.
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the ideal posters posts tend to add something original/unsaid to each thread while maintaining respect for other posters and maintaining a unique personality/posting style
i mean simply following the rules doesn't make you a good poster
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making image macros against the rules is the best decision tl staff ever made
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how is vgl-cow not the number one response in this thread? Damnit TL.
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On August 25 2011 10:43 JeeJee wrote: how is vgl-cow not the number one response in this thread? Damnit TL. moltke is the only good poster on teamliquid
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I think it's just common sense. Like, if you are in the SFW pics thread, don't post NSFW pics, don't argue about God, don't be racist, etc.
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I know that I make terrible posts and do nothing to contribute to the community here. I simply try to do my best to say rational things and not argue about senseless things like imbalance.
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I just try to be as helpful as possible around the Zerg help me thread, simple questions simple answers, help threads in the strat section etc. As well as stay away from threads that may provoke me to post something flammable, such as the balance discussion thread. I'm glad it exists because it funnels all that balance whine somewhere else, but I'd never post in it because I'm willing to bet that no one who posts there actually cares about anyone else's opinion.
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On August 25 2011 10:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: If you abide by the rules, it's really not that hard to stay unbanned. Putting a little effort into your posts will keep you from being warned. Putting a lot of effort will probably make you an ideal poster. Yep that's how I feel and is how I've always handled TL, I always try to make sure that my posts aren't too short as well and maybe throw some depth into them when possible. I also personally like to say something nice to the OP when I post (I pick the threads I talk in, I don't post in all that I read) since I think having something nice said can always make someone have a better day/night. TL is a great place for creative and nice posters which is why I stuck around personally. Oh and the easy grammar fixing stuff is so sexy, I have to use it almost every post. lol
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Ideal poster for me = not shitty. If I don't notice you, you're probably ok. Once you've gotten past the non-shitty stage, then as long as you post meaningful content that contributes to the thread, you're doing great.
EDIT: Here is a quick userguide. After you post something, ask yourself: "is this a shitty post?" If it is, then you probably shouldn't post it. Unfortunately, lots of people fail this test. But it's a good place to start.
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You know you're a quality poster when you make a ban trap post and get a bunch of bad posters banned for it. roflroflrofl.
But really just try to be helpful and not troll a whole lot(or atleast make it obvious) and dont post 1 liners or memes or go 1st
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Id add iDra to the list. For me there is no other poster here that can even come close in the intelligent execution of succinct dry humor and witty sarcasm. The "idra quotes" subsection of archive section of his fan club is by far the most entertaining text only section on this site. Its actually what got me visiting here often before I started to explore other parts of the site.(That and liquipedia)
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Whenever I do what you tell me to I get banned or lynched.
Edit: How insanely obvious is it that I found this post by searching my name?
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On August 25 2011 10:25 enzym wrote: placing harmonious coexistence above intellectual rigor This is not the problem you're facing. Well reasoned, clever arguments often trump politeness, unless the person is being extremely vulgar.
You were banned for posting stuff like "didnt bother reading the other stuff." Honest? Perhaps. But posting "you're wrong" and nothing else may be honest but it does not require much intellectual rigor.
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To me, an ideal poster has to be sharp and intelligent, but they also need presence of mind of what they're posting and where they're posting it.
A common problem we run into on the forum are people who feel they're entitled to broadcast their opinion in any way they want. This often means they create their own threads instead of posting in pre-existing ones, because it's more likely for their posts to be ignored at the end of a 90 page thread than if they make their own. That's obviously true but that's simply how engaging in a discussion with other people works. If everyone thought that way, the forums would be a bigger mess than they already are.
On top of that, they also need to have some cleverness about them and understand that this is the internet, and all the things that that loaded statement entails.
It also means not posting out of a gut reaction, but instead considering the situation and being able to understand the motivations/feelings of the other side of an argument. Occasionally it's ok to be caught up in your emotions, but this type of presence of mind is something I think the vast majority of people could improve upon.
I disagree with your list, OP, but I'll leave it at that.
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I think it's really hard to always post in an intelligent manner.
For me, I try to balance it. If I see a serious thread I do my best to post seriously without getting confrontational. I'm sure I have been confrontational at times, or a lot of the times actually, but I think it's just the Internet that gives us the balls.
On the other hand, I then go to the Anime Discussion Thread and just type in "lol those lolis are cute" and then end my day.
I think it's just about posting appropriately. You don't say the latter statement in the Libya thread, but it might be okay when you're surrounded by people who know you and the thread is more light hearted and fun.
Also.
Here's an AWESOME Coagulation thread. xDDDDD
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158764
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I consider myself a total troll, I don't filter myself on these forums too much.
Never have been temped or banned in nearly 500 posts for over 2 years.
IMO it's all about attitude, or I should say the attitude you're in when you're on TL.
If you come to TL after a 10 loss streak on ladder, then of course your chances of being banned are higher. People who are banned aren't necessarily lesser humans than those who aren't l0l.
When I'm angry, I don't log in so I can't post, best strat ever.
I think TL mods should just try a bit harder to differentiate between assholes/trolls and people who are just upset. Of course that's a lot of work to do (compared to banning normally), but it'd be better. Oh well, can't be perfect, but TL still funnest forum to be around for me
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