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How many times have I heard Day9 utter something along those lines? Sure there are isolated incidents of awesomeness that stand out amidst a muck of spiteful behavior, but I can't help to think he's trying to promote an image that isn't even (t)here.
I'm talking about the abundance of BM that exists in our small, expanding, community. I get on ladder and am on the receiving end of all sorts of venting. Ok, so perhaps people get frustrated in game, especially at a high masters level of play where people take the game fairly seriously. But even on the forums I cannot escape the patronizing war of words.
It seems to be less abundant at the highest levels of play, but it's still there. Why do the cast of State of the Game have to have their every word scrutinized? They wonder the same thing. And yet they co-host with Idra, who doesn't refrain from laughing when talking about Drewbie going to Korea?
Not everyone can be Sheth. But then I realize that Day9 is on to something. It starts at the top. If those with the highest levels of exposure can promote the idea of being gracious and well-mannered, maybe it can trickle down.
 
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teamliquid is manner.
90% of players on ladder are not bad manner at least?
I think time will leave us with something better.
The heart is there.
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Because if you've ever played Dota, LoL, counterstrike, HoN, Halo, Quake, Street Fighter, virtually every other competitive game in existence you would see why the Starcraft community is one of the most mild mannered and welcoming internet communities in the world.
I'm not saying BM doesn't exist, but it's nowhere near the level of 13-year-old-4chan-meme retardedness that it is in other games.
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Compared to nearly every other community out there SC2 community is amazingly good.
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I dunno about the SC2 community but the BW one was pretty damn good. I played on the USEast server (considered to be the most BM) and it wasn't really that bad in my experience. DotA though....My God that game was fucking horrible for BM, especially when you were a new player and didn't know how to play well. When people start compiling ban lists for their games you know something is wrong.
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On August 19 2011 04:42 moose162 wrote:
How many times have I heard Day9 utter something along those lines? Sure there are isolated incidents of awesomeness that stand out amidst a muck of spiteful behavior, but I can't help to think he's trying to promote an image that isn't even (t)here.
I'm talking about the abundance of BM that exists in our small, expanding, community. I get on ladder and am on the receiving end of all sorts of venting. Ok, so perhaps people get frustrated in game, especially at a high masters level of play where people take the game fairly seriously. But even on the forums I cannot escape the patronizing war of words.
It seems to be less abundant at the highest levels of play, but it's still there. Why do the cast of State of the Game have to have their every word scrutinized? They wonder the same thing. And yet they co-host with Idra, who doesn't refrain from laughing when talking about Drewbie going to Korea?
Not everyone can be Sheth. But then I realize that Day9 is on to something. It starts at the top. If those with the highest levels of exposure can promote the idea of being gracious and well-mannered, maybe it can trickle down.
when you have 500000 people it's hard to not have a bunch of BM people. you're too optimistic if you want everyone to be perfectly mannered.
it's like having a classroom of 30 students, theres always going to be a jokester/rebel. the closest you can get to perfectly manner is the koreans but they still bm
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Aren't you just scrutinizing the words of a State of the Game cast member in this post while condemning the very action. But it's to shit on the community so that's different i guess
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I wouldn't even worry about the random people I meet on ladder. I don't even think most of them really constitute as the SC2 "community". I think there's more to it than just playing the game, or being some guy who comes onto the forum and gets banned before he reaches 100 posts. The community is formed by people who actually care about and love the game, and from my experience, most of them are nice, mannered guys.
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Was her referring to the SC2 community overall or more so the TL community?
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These threads or blogs about the utopian internet are getting tiresome.... In the end what does it really matter, you are either entertained by it or you have some real growing up to do.
The internet is not a perfect world, just because you post on a board of generally well mannered people does not mean that they all are or that others will be. Zeal with....
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This community is totally awesome. Sure a few players are bmbags. Or in tournaments or high profile/big things you will see bm stuff. People are passionate it's just the nature of competition I feel...some people are just better at controlling emotions than others.
Now there is some stuff I totally don't understand with this community. for example declaring a jihad on someone when they steal a stupid chair at a live event...
or everyone going apeshit when a player simply changes teams...O_o;
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Why do you people want the SC2 community to be a frigid, boring old grandma?
Come on. Keep your mind open and stop getting hurt by "bad language". It's just sad when people let the vocal minority get to them even though they're not losing anything.
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The ladder isn't exactly reflective of the community. The TL community is amazing and the IRL TL community is 100x more amazing.
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you might be referring to a vocal minority of people who bm and criticize endlessly. The SC2 crowd actually is really nice. I think it was in the SC2 launch party on July 26 2010 that day9 hosted where something went wrong, and several members of the crowd offered to provide their laptops to help, when most people would say, "I paid money for this? F*** YOU DAY 9 DONT RIP ME OFF"
Since this is the internet though, I think GM isn't necessarily Sheth-like "GG WP nicely done =) ♥♥♥" when you lose. If someone acknowledges when they lose and gg out, that's manner enough for me.
What really disappoints me is the "coolness" some people see in being bm. Idra should not be admired for being bad mannered sometimes when he loses. He could be respected for being honest about balance issues, but there's so many kids who only see the rage aspect of that and copy him.
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/pride
Could we even venture to state that the reason the SC2 community has this tradition of being more civilized and well-mannered is, well, because of TL and the established BW eSports foundation?
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So this is how things go in real life most of the time. We remember the very small minority of people who are douchebags. They stand out, the make noise, they are overall jack asses, but in doing so, we tend not to remember the 98% of the time in life that people are nice and good. It is the same thing here. Most everyone is nice and just loves the game and the community, but we tend to remember the people who BM and call each other names.
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most irl gaming communities are great.
except for smash.
ugh. smash.
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it's probably from the live events that day9 goes to, i imagine those have a lot of nice folk who are actually somewhat socially adept.
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On August 19 2011 05:04 floor exercise wrote:
Aren't you just scrutinizing the words of a State of the Game cast member in this post while condemning the very action. But it's to shit on the community so that's different i guess
I'm not so much criticizing as musing. The hosts often seem upset with unwarranted scrutiny, but I don't think they should be surprised when they have someone of Idra's controversial nature co-hosting.
On August 19 2011 05:26 FabledIntegral wrote:
Was her referring to the SC2 community overall or more so the TL community?
None in particular. A combination of the two I suppose.
On August 19 2011 05:28 Swwww wrote:
These threads or blogs about the utopian internet are getting tiresome.... In the end what does it really matter, you are either entertained by it or you have some real growing up to do.
The internet is not a perfect world, just because you post on a board of generally well mannered people does not mean that they all are or that others will be. Zeal with....
It doesn't make a dent in my life one way or another. I'm just noting the inherent obstacle in promoting SC2 or E-Sports in general. That is, the fact that it's core is populated by internet identities. With internet identities comes volatility and a tendency for people to devolve into having prepubescent tendencies.
On August 19 2011 05:29 LuckyFool wrote:
Now there is some stuff I totally don't understand with this community. for example declaring a jihad on someone when they steal a stupid chair at a live event...
TBH, I thought that was completely warranted. Not the action, but they manner in which it was handled.
On August 19 2011 05:31 Djzapz wrote:
Why do you people want the SC2 community to be a frigid, boring old grandma?
Come on. Keep your mind open and stop getting hurt by "bad language". It's just sad when people let the vocal minority get to them even though they're not losing anything.
One of the points I'm pressing is that it's not the minority. At levels other than the very top, the veil of internet anonymity is in play and emboldens a significant percentage of the community to say and do obnoxious things.
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I think it depends on where you're looking. At the bottom of pretty much every community are the trolls and genuinely BM individuals. SC2 has them. At the top though, are the people who devote time and effort into building something to share with the community. SC2 has more of these than just about any gaming community I've seen. Casters, coaches, liquipedia contributors, livereporters, guys like Artosis who will give us up to the minute twitter updates on untelevised but awesome matches. Pretty much everyone who's ever organized a tournament. There are a lot of nice people giving back to the SC2 community, and I'm glad Sean continues to recognize them.
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