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Proflo
United States148 Posts
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Z3kk
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Proflo
United States148 Posts
AB Calc was definitely harder at my school than BC, although that might have been the teacher. Honestly i wouldn't worry about it you're clearly pretty smart so testing up won't be to difficult, it's your decision in the end don't let teachers hold you back. What year are you going into? | ||
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Z3kk
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I got into BC without having to test in, so I'm sort of worried. As I mentioned in the massive OP, most of the other kids who wanted to skip AB either self-studied AB and took the calc AB test this year. Also, it should have been sort of clear that I'm going to be a junior, sorry. | ||
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GrieViouS
United States18 Posts
I definitely underestimated you :o Give yourself a pat on the back and don't worry about the PSAT. The main difference is that due to a shorter test and thus less questions, each question you miss will drag your score down much more compared to the SAT. Seeing as you got a 2400 I'm sure getting at least a 230 will be a walk in the park. Just re-study any techniques as the subject matter you probably already know well enough. K-korewa nan desu ka? I just lurk in the ADT seeing as I too don't watch as frequently as the regulars. Hope you can ease your mind and gomenasai for the crappy advice or lack thereof. Good luck in your future endeavors. [Can I assume you're aiming for HYPS?] | ||
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
Anyone halfway decent at math should be able to skip AB, get 800 SAT 2 Math II, and make AIME. Scratching my head here. I have a 3.87 in math classes at a top 30 US university (although that might be terrible by your standards) including A's in complex and real analysis but I didn't do the first or third thing, and got a 740 on my SAT II math. In fact, I'd have to google AIME, not sure what it is at all. | ||
Empyrean
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Z3kk
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On August 08 2011 12:04 GrieViouS wrote: No need to apologize lol, or be depressed. Rather, I think you are setting your expectations too high. No one will look down upon you for getting a 790 as opposed to getting an 800. I was personally never interested in the detailed mathematics of the AMC/company and only took AMC 8 but I suppose if you really care just spend some more time. I definitely underestimated you :o Give yourself a pat on the back and don't worry about the PSAT. The main difference is that due to a shorter test and thus less questions, each question you miss will drag your score down much more compared to the SAT. Seeing as you got a 2400 I'm sure getting at least a 230 will be a walk in the park. Just re-study any techniques as the subject matter you probably already know well enough. K-korewa nan desu ka? I just lurk in the ADT seeing as I too don't watch as frequently as the regulars. Hope you can ease your mind and gomenasai for the crappy advice or lack thereof. Good luck in your future endeavors. [Can I assume you're aiming for HYPS?] Actually, I think everyone will look down on me for getting a 790 lol. It's practically supposed to be a given... I just really, really do not want to go through the pressure of taking it and this time hoping for a 800 because if I do get <800 it will be even worse, so there you go :c I'm still scared about the PSAT in any event ;; I just want to get national merit stuff, and not be seen as nooby. I literally have not even looked at anything to do with the SAT (just wanted to reiterate that for the n-th time)....so yeah I will study. It's just another thing weighing on my mind. Yeah, I just like to participate in ADT since they're pretty funny + fun hehe. I actually don't want any anime at all besides Steins;Gate at the moment, but I know what they're talking about :p Thanks for the advice and for being nice! ^^ My dream school has always been MIT: electrical engineering. Unfortunately I'm not good at math as I mentioned...so yeah...ugh. Since high schoolers don't exactly have electrical engineering classes (my robotics team isn't very good either), EE kids are just expected to have monstrous academics, which--as I mentioned--I'm lacking in. On August 08 2011 12:12 Cassel_Castle wrote: Scratching my head here. I have a 3.87 in math classes at a top 30 US university (although that might be terrible by your standards) including A's in complex and real analysis but I didn't do the first or third thing, and got a 740 on my SAT II math. In fact, I'd have to google AIME, not sure what it is at all. Oh, I was exaggerating to make a point, sorry. Basically, if you don't know what AIME is, then you don't have to worry about it. It's about doing the best in your situation and all that: if I'm have the chance to take it, I should be doing it--and doing it well. It's part of a national math competition series: first you have AMC, then AIME, then USAMO if your combined AMC+AIME scores are good enough, and if you score very well on the USAMO, you go to a summer math camp or something, and after that you get on the national math team for the United States and go to IMO, the worldwide competition. Obviously I'm not a genius nor do I study that much math, so there is no way I'm making it that far, but AIME shouldn't be too much to ask for in regard to a MIT hopeful. In fact, it really doesn't mean anything unless I get to the USAMO or something. I'm sorry also for coming across as the kind of guy who would judge you for that...top 30 university is good of course ;; I do have very high standards for myself, though, so that might explain it. I'm a perfectionist~ I dunno, it really just feels like a letdown. I'm not even being falsely modest or anything (those people are really annoying actually). It's just that these results are very crappy in the grand scheme of things. On August 08 2011 12:31 Empyrean wrote: For what it's worth, Calc AB is worthless, since it's essentially the first semester of Calc BC. At my high school, standard procedure was to skip to Calc BC by our sophomore/junior year so we could take Calc 3 our junior/senior year. Exactly! This is exactly what all of my college friends have been telling me and I believe all of you 100% as that's fact, but for some reason a my school kids are having trouble. They're pretty freaking smart too, so I just don't understand it. The teacher (who, as I mentioned, teaches both AB and BC) is supposed to be one of THE best at our school, but I just don't get why everyone is doing so poorly.....I'm scared honestly. I'm also scared that because the teacher teaches both, and because most kids do not skip AB, she treats BC as a class "requiring" prior understanding of AB. I just don't get it  I have lots of friends who just skipped AB as if it were the normal thing to do (and from what I can tell, it is) and got 5s on the test, rolled through the class ezmode without being math geniuses or anything like that, but for some reason some of the smartest kids at my school have trouble with AB. I would say that some of them are more intelligent than the kids who skipped AB, too. | ||
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
Don't worry, I'm making similarly high standards for myself for grad school and it's REALLY frustrating when it looks like plans might not go through. I guess Putnam would be the grad school equivalent of AIME? | ||
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Empyrean
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On August 08 2011 12:40 Z3kk wrote: I'm also scared that because the teacher teaches both, and because most kids do not skip AB, she treats BC as a class "requiring" prior understanding of AB. I just don't get it This is absolutely retarded. In college, if you've never taken calculus before, the track is Calculus I > Calculus II > Calculus III, all of which are one semester long. Calc AB is Calc I, but spread out over a year. Calc BC is Calc I and Calc II, but since it's spread out over a year, it goes at roughly the pace of college classes: basically, you take Calc I your first semester (aka Calc AB), and Calc II your second semester. Most schools have Calc III as a year long class (at least mine did), which is nice, because you get to go at a relaxed pace and do fun things like projects and going out to lunch instead of covering material <_<. If you first take Calc AB and THEN Calc BC, you're going to find the first semester of BC incredibly boring. | ||
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Z3kk
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On August 08 2011 15:05 Cassel_Castle wrote: ^ Don't worry, I'm making similarly high standards for myself for grad school and it's REALLY frustrating when it looks like plans might not go through. I guess Putnam would be the grad school equivalent of AIME? Putnam is sort of like it, I suppose. It's a whole system. Basically, AIME requires that one scores 120 on the AMC 10 (all grades up to 10 may take it), or 100 on the AMC 12 (grades up to 12). Max score for AMC 10/12 is 150, and there are 25 questions each worth 6. Leaving one blank is 1.5 points and getting it wrong is 0 points. There's also some percentage system for AMC to make AIME. After getting into AIME, one takes that test two, which is 3 hours long and has 15 questions. Then, the combined score for AMC+AIME is created with a formula that varies a bit each year to determine the invitees for USAMO. I would say either AIME or USAMO is the equivalent of Putnam. There are no teams or anything like that, though. Also, the final purpose of the test is really to determine the eligible individuals for the US international mathematics team. On August 08 2011 15:09 Empyrean wrote: This is absolutely retarded. In college, if you've never taken calculus before, the track is Calculus I > Calculus II > Calculus III, all of which are one semester long. Calc AB is Calc I, but spread out over a year. Calc BC is Calc I and Calc II, but since it's spread out over a year, it goes at roughly the pace of college classes: basically, you take Calc I your first semester (aka Calc AB), and Calc II your second semester. Most schools have Calc III as a year long class (at least mine did), which is nice, because you get to go at a relaxed pace and do fun things like projects and going out to lunch instead of covering material <_<. If you first take Calc AB and THEN Calc BC, you're going to find the first semester of BC incredibly boring. Yeah, I know what you're saying....I'm just afraid that the teacher treats BC differently, or goes through the Calc I material insanely quickly (I heard that it is covered in 1 month or 1.5 months)... I'm not sure what to think about the matter, but I know that I am going to take BC. I'm just afraid that the teacher be reviewing very little Calc I material. | ||
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sToFu
United States189 Posts
Despite the fact that the teacher teaches BC as if you already knew AB, the fact of the matter is AB is a joke. Anyone close to AIME level in math should be able to get through BC and get a 5, no problem on the test. Pretty much everybody at our school gets a 5 on the AP test for BC, as long as they put in a little work. Just do the homework and make sure not to sleep too much in class, and I'm sure you'll be fine. I was fairly successful in AIME, so I guess the only advice I can give you is that you're not going to get better at math unless you practice. I qualified for AIME in 8th grade, but didn't manage to do so in 9th grade because I got cocky and slacked off on doing math for the entire year. If you go to the school I think you go to, there are a few capable people there; try to meet up with them on a regular basis and do problems. If not, artofproblemsolving.com is a great resource; $150 for 12 1.5 hour classes. Additionally, they provide hw problems for the classes (assuming you sign up) that are quite challenging either way. Finally, you're clearly really smart, so don't stress everything and worry about grades and scores. Enjoy life. Oh, and MIT: Because not everyone can get into CalTech | ||
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Z3kk
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I want to do Physics Olympiad... | ||
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onlinerobbe
Germany547 Posts
to say it with the words of lord stark: Wint...I mean Tuesday is coming. Kidding aside, good luck with your school stuff, don't have any advice because of the completely different system here. Sadly work keeps me from being bored ever :/ + Show Spoiler + btw you could always help TL subs if you know how to time with aegisub  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=251777 | ||
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Z3kk
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I have no experience with subbing at all unfortunately ;; I suppose I will just try to finish all of my summer hw ASAP so that I can do what I want for the time being and relax a little. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
And don't compare yourself to people you know who've succeeded. First of all, it's Harker dam it lol. what did you expect? yes I'm bay area too. and of course you hear about the people who succeed and not about the people who don't. To me it sounds like you're pretty smart. not super genius, but smart enough to do well in life. just do your best and don't worry about the geniuses or they just make you feel bad. Unless they're as cute as Makise Kurisu. Then try to marry her. Remember she's a tsundere so she'll just be playing hard to get  | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
On August 09 2011 05:15 KazeHydra wrote: Yeah? Well I have 6 weeks left of summer to rot away (yay quarter system). I pretty much agree with most of the people (didn't read all the replies) about calc AB vs BC. Unless you're actually not that good at math, you shouldn't waste your time with AB. But a 790 on math SAT in reality means you made a total of 1 stupid mistake. Big deal. Yeah people will joke about you failing to get an 800, but anyone who's actually smart knows how little that 10 points means. Also, AIME is a very different kind of math skill than calc requires. It's more like reasoning and advanced logic compared to complex number crunching. I basically 5'ed the BC test in my sleep but never managed to qualify for AIME...0.5 points away the last time And don't compare yourself to people you know who've succeeded. First of all, it's Harker dam it lol. what did you expect? yes I'm bay area too. and of course you hear about the people who succeed and not about the people who don't. To me it sounds like you're pretty smart. not super genius, but smart enough to do well in life. just do your best and don't worry about the geniuses or they just make you feel bad. Unless they're as cute as Makise Kurisu. Then try to marry her. Remember she's a tsundere so she'll just be playing hard to get Actually, 790 on math SAT II means I missed about 3 and left two blank (in my case). Yeah. Pretty shitty. And for the last time, I know the distinction between competitive math and calculus etc.!! Cool that you're in the bay area ^^ What school to you attend? Bay area is best area. I probably don't want to marry someone smarter than me though Unless it's purely in academics or something. Sometimes I with I were super genius...pretty smart isn't smart enough ;__; *sigh* mumblegrumblesadfaceThanks for the advice! ADT fighting~ | ||
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