EPTMLG DQ policies - Page 2
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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Badgesc
France111 Posts
Check the first minute of the video where he says the MLG ref forcefielded him rofl | ||
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zFugitivE
United States58 Posts
MLG should not have to babysit people, especially if this guy is considered a professional. If you have to be at a certain place at a certain time be their. And the thread is incredibly misleading, he was not 1 minute late, he was 11 minutes late. If they give you a 10 minute grace period, that IS mlg being lenient. What do you want them to do? Give out a 30 minute grace period and have their entire tournament run late because guys decide to just not be responsible and show up 20 minutes late knowing it does not matter? This is a 3-day tournament that consists of a 256 player double elimination bracket. Not to mention 2 other titles are also being played...you try running that shit in 3 days with the attitude of "hey don't worry if you are late to your station, we'll let you play anyway" You have to be strict so players know you are serious and take the initiative to make sure they know where they need to be. Stop thinking that 1 guy getting DQ'd means they need to change their attitude, when their attitude is the reason that every other guy shows up on time and ready to play. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3720 Posts
On July 31 2011 01:10 LuckyFool wrote: no I am not attending this MLG, lol ! I am getting information from people I know who are there right now who dont have time to post in detail.  They let Koreans into the convention center 5 hours before anyone else in columbus and reserved 6 pc's for the 5 of them and those 6 pc's weren't even hardly used because they were signing autographs and elsewhere haha, but they deserve special treatment no? It's kind of hard to use the "everyone gets treated equally" card though when things like that are done. ^_^ That is simply wrong. Red Carpet for koreans, the shaft for everyone else. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On July 31 2011 01:17 zFugitivE wrote: meh, the player should be responsible to know when and where he has to be, and get their a couple of minutes early just to be safe. MLG should not have to babysit people, especially if this guy is considered a professional. If you have to be at a certain place at a certain time be their. And the thread is incredibly misleading, he was not 1 minute late, he was 11 minutes late. If they give you a 10 minute grace period, that IS mlg being lenient. What do you want them to do? Give out a 30 minute grace period and have their entire tournament run late because guys decide to just not be responsible and show up 20 minutes late knowing it does not matter? This is a 3-day tournament that consists of a 256 player double elimination bracket. Not to mention 2 other titles are also being played...you try running that shit in 3 days with the attitude of "hey don't worry if you are late to your station, we'll let you play anyway" You have to be strict so players know you are serious and take the initiative to make sure they know where they need to be. Stop thinking that 1 guy getting DQ'd means they need to change their attitude, when their attitude is the reason that every other guy shows up on time and ready to play. Have you ever been at one of these events with hundreds of fans? There's a lot of things that could cause delay. 10 minutes isn't a long time. It's not even long enough for a game. It's ridiculous that you think time late for match = time tournament is delayed when that's not even remotely true. Also, I don't think you even read the suggested alternative. Read the OP, seriously. No one said 30 minute grace period. They said 15 minute = 1 loss, 30 minute = DQ. That's reasonable, and players still understand there are consequences. As for delay of tournament, 15 minutes is pretty standard for a game. There's no way 30 minutes for a match would delay the tournament as much as a 90 minute TvT match would do. Oh, and it hasn't just been 1 guy getting DQed. There have been multiple DQs, and if you read Thorzain's account, it's extremely hectic and unnerving. Yeah, something needs to be done. But hey! You would only know that if you actually read the thread! penguin. Did you read this post? | ||
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
On July 31 2011 01:17 zFugitivE wrote: meh, the player should be responsible to know when and where he has to be, and get their a couple of minutes early just to be safe. MLG should not have to babysit people, especially if this guy is considered a professional. If you have to be at a certain place at a certain time be their. And the thread is incredibly misleading, he was not 1 minute late, he was 11 minutes late. If they give you a 10 minute grace period, that IS mlg being lenient. What do you want them to do? Give out a 30 minute grace period and have their entire tournament run late because guys decide to just not be responsible and show up 20 minutes late knowing it does not matter? This is a 3-day tournament that consists of a 256 player double elimination bracket. Not to mention 2 other titles are also being played...you try running that shit in 3 days with the attitude of "hey don't worry if you are late to your station, we'll let you play anyway" You have to be strict so players know you are serious and take the initiative to make sure they know where they need to be. Stop thinking that 1 guy getting DQ'd means they need to change their attitude, when their attitude is the reason that every other guy shows up on time and ready to play. Whats it like to know you typed this long post just to look like a moron? User was warned for this post | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3720 Posts
On July 31 2011 01:17 zFugitivE wrote: meh, the player should be responsible to know when and where he has to be, and get their a couple of minutes early just to be safe. MLG should not have to babysit people, especially if this guy is considered a professional. If you have to be at a certain place at a certain time be their. And the thread is incredibly misleading, he was not 1 minute late, he was 11 minutes late. If they give you a 10 minute grace period, that IS mlg being lenient. What do you want them to do? Give out a 30 minute grace period and have their entire tournament run late because guys decide to just not be responsible and show up 20 minutes late knowing it does not matter? This is a 3-day tournament that consists of a 256 player double elimination bracket. Not to mention 2 other titles are also being played...you try running that shit in 3 days with the attitude of "hey don't worry if you are late to your station, we'll let you play anyway" You have to be strict so players know you are serious and take the initiative to make sure they know where they need to be. Stop thinking that 1 guy getting DQ'd means they need to change their attitude, when their attitude is the reason that every other guy shows up on time and ready to play. being told to be somewhere, lets say 10:00 and you show up at 9:55 just to find out that your opponent was given a walk over. Im obviously referring to Pokebunny not White Ra. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 31 2011 01:40 Trowabarton756 wrote: Whats it like to know you typed this long post just to look like a moron? He should've said it more nicely, but as much as I like White-Ra, I have to agree. If you're late to a job interview it's not going to sit well. While there may be traffic issues and whatnot, unless there's a remarkable circumstance, I don't think tardiness is an excuse for not getting disqualified. Personally I'd rather see MLG's policy change to maybe give a game loss after 10 minutes (which is probably the average time of a game anyway), but because it is their policy, they should be enforcing it regardless of the quality of the player, and they did. In the future I hope White-Ra knows to leave a bit more time in travel. Hopefully he can make it through the LB! | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
What happens now is a player is DQ'd after 10 minutes and that station then goes empty for over an hour while the rest of the round is still in game 1. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 31 2011 01:52 DyEnasTy wrote: being told to be somewhere, lets say 10:00 and you show up at 9:55 just to find out that your opponent was given a walk over. Im obviously referring to Pokebunny not White Ra. I think (someone correct me if I am wrong) that CatZ and Pokebunny were given incorrect information from non-MLG representatives, so it's a little different. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
now people complain that MLG is too inflexible at MLG Anaheim anyways, I agree that this policy change makes a lot more sense Also, I don't think you even read the suggested alternative. Read the OP, seriously. No one said 30 minute grace period. They said 15 minute = 1 loss, 30 minute = DQ. That's reasonable, and players still understand there are consequences. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On July 31 2011 02:00 udgnim wrote: people complained that MLG was too flexible with some players at MLG Columbus now people complain that MLG is too inflexible at MLG Anaheim Who complained that Columbus was too flexible? there were issues there too, read thorzains quote, he had quite a negative experience with much of the same stuff...Koreans got treated like gods but that was the only thing really. dq policies and in general treatment was the same for the rest of the mere mortals playing in the event. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
So the MLG rules should definitely be more lenient. I think that just ripping the DH rule of 15 minutes for 1-0 and 30 minutes for DQ would be inefficient because MLG is on a much larger scale. MLG could still adopt the policy with adjusted times like 10 minutes for 1-0 and 20 minutes for DQ. It would keep the tournament running smoothly, and prevent having these situations come up again. If MLG still thinks it is too lenient, do 10 minutes for 1-0 and 15 minutes for DQ. If MLG doesn't adopt any of these rules, at least give a fair warning to the players before the event, and tell each ref to remind the players to try to be here 10 minutes early to avoid any complications. On July 31 2011 02:04 LuckyFool wrote: Who complained that Columbus was too flexible? there were issues there too, read thorzains quote, he had quite a negative experience with much of the same stuff...Koreans got treated like gods but that was the only thing really. dq policies and in general treatment was the same for the rest of the mere mortals playing in the event. By flexibility, I think he means that some players were given the opportunity to play even though they were late. Inconsistency would be the better word. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Some of it could also depend on the ref who is reffing the match, some refs are more lenient than others when it comes to letting you set up at a station early and other things like that. No matter what the rule is consistency is very important. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=231354 | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
I've always hated the DQ-rule...and especially for someone like White-Ra, with all those fans there...I sympathise a lot for the open bracket players, playing until 2am and then going back from 9-10am, it's a really hellish schedule. For someone like me who never wakes up via alarm half the time, hahah.. I agree, if we take 10 minutes for 1-0, 20 for DQ, that's a lot more fair for the players, and it keeps the event running. Sometimes traffic, or fans, or bathroom/food (see: Thorzain's post...who won't let a guy run to the bathroom real quick. -_- ) or some combination of them could get someone over 10 minutes late if they're not really adamant about paying attention. | ||
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Ome
Canada157 Posts
On July 31 2011 00:37 LuckyFool wrote: Now looking at it from MLG's point of view, it's imperative to stay on schedule, when you have hundreds of matches to play in a 3 day event, you cannot get delayed too far behind schedule. Day 1 open bracket action always stretches into 2am local time as it is when things proceed on schedule. I think MLG should consider White-Ra's recommendation and also consider how dreamhack and WCG operate with players showing late. After 15 minutes treat it like 1 game was played and award the player waiting with a 1 game forfeit win, after another 15 minutes it's a 2-0 forfeit. 10 minutes for the entire match seems a little absurd to me. Each round is given a 1 hour slot to play so if a player does not show and is a full 30 minutes late they will be marked with a 2-0 loss and the match is still done long before the rest of the round and even longer before avilos match is avilo if playing in the event. (rofl) Sure this means the player waiting has to sit around for 30 minutes but hey browsing TL for 15 minutes while getting a win at an MLG event not too bad right? Good post OP, I agree with you, they should change their DQ policies to something like you mentioned. AFAIK, in MTG, which has HUGE tournaments totally over 1000 players sometimes, they do the same thing, if you're late, you originally get a 1 game loss, and if you are considerably late, you lose the set 2-0. If they are so restrained on time that they cannot make this change, they really should look at starting the open bracket a few hours earlier then. It's not like any of the matches are being broadcast or anything, so it doesn't hurt viewers. | ||
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
The tournament does have to be strict, and although it is easy to say things like "1 minute late..." but then what happens if another player shows up and is just 3 minutes late, and he says well you let him play and he was a minute late what is the difference? At what point does late become to late? So I understand MLG's point of view on this and to be honest although they can revise and change policies after events, they need to be strict on what they establish and if it is a 10 minute window then they MUST stick with that unless there were just the most extraordinary circumstances through this event. I do think something along the lines of 10 minutes late no penalty, next 10 minutes start down 0-1, after that you lose. Because in theory that shouldn't cause them to go off schedule because you have to assume the best of 3 was going to take around 30 minutes to complete at the least. Going forward though, I think MLG must make sure they are doing the best job possible of making sure players know their correct game times, and have ways of looking that information up. One thing I've heard at times is that players aren't sure where to get exact info or get wrong information and that is where MLG can improve especially being such a large event with so much going on. The other side of it is that players must also be diligent about making sure they know and confirm when and where they need to be at what times, and being sure to get there early just so there is a bit of contingency, for example to sign an autograph or two. I just hate these situations where everyone makes it out like someone has to be blamed. Players need to take responsibility and organizers need to make sure they are doing all they can to allow players to be successful. Both are in it together and sometimes things like this pop up, it is unfortunate, you hope people learn and it improves but sometimes shit happens. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
I guess that's just the rules - but they should fix the rules. | ||
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Cudaflu
33 Posts
He was late and was DQ'd. I'm sure they would do it with every other player at the tourney. Just because White Ra is well respected/better/more liked than most of the competitors, he shouldn't be given special treatment. | ||
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