I'm fine with them DQ'ing people for being late as long as they are consistent about it. If he was late, it is perfectly reasonable to be DQ'd from the round provided he was given the correct time. It sucks for White-Ra, but I don't have any issues with it. Maybe my heart is just a black hole though :/

Corrosive

Canada3741 Posts

July 30 2011 19:19 GMT

#43

On July 31 2011 04:11 Zaros wrote:
I want to know how anyone could accept a DQ over whitera and how any ref could ever DQ whitera. These are the important questions.

Whitera is awesome, but if i was offered a DQ over whitera id take it instantly because he would obliterate me. I don't blame the other guy.

Mawi

Sweden4365 Posts

July 30 2011 19:20 GMT

#44

I hope WhiteRa is doing ok i would be pretty pissed of

He is the special tecticts you dont do this to him

Deleted User 101379

4849 Posts

July 30 2011 19:28 GMT

#45

Well, if he showed up late, the DQ is totally valid imho. Yes, it sucks that it hits WhiteRa, but well, there are rules and they have to be followed.

Still, they should fix the notification of the players so they know further ahead when they have to play so such occurences can be more easily avoided. If they then still show up 10 minutes late, DQ them.

Wr3k

Canada2533 Posts

July 30 2011 19:42 GMT

#46

I'm with MLG on this one. If people can't show up on time within a 10 minute window DQ them. Anyone who has even tried to organize a 32 person amateur tounament let alone something as big as MLG would understand why you have to be strict with when people show up to play their games. The event will basically become a clusterfuck if you give more leniency.

Sucks for WhiteRa but he shouldn't be late.

Arkansassy

358 Posts

July 30 2011 19:43 GMT

#47

On July 31 2011 00:37 LuckyFool wrote:Now looking at it from MLG's point of view, it's imperative to stay on schedule, when you have hundreds of matches to play in a 3 day event, you cannot get delayed too far behind schedule. Day 1 open bracket action always stretches into 2am local time as it is when things proceed on schedule. I think MLG should consider White-Ra's recommendation and also consider how dreamhack and WCG operate with players showing late. After 15 minutes treat it like 1 game was played and award the player waiting with a 1 game forfeit win, after another 15 minutes it's a 2-0 forfeit. 10 minutes for the entire match seems a little absurd to me. Each round is given a 1 hour slot to play so if a player does not show and is a full 30 minutes late they will be marked with a 2-0 loss and the match is still done long before the rest of the round and even longer before avilos match is avilo if playing in the event. (rofl) Sure this means the player waiting has to sit around for 30 minutes but hey browsing TL for 15 minutes while getting a win at an MLG event not too bad right?

Hardy har har, Lucky!

After MLG - Columbus, avilo basically posted verbatim (on another forum) what Thorzain said, but avilo was shot down.

Malgrif

Canada1095 Posts

July 30 2011 20:30 GMT

#48

it's his own darn fault. it's hard for mlg to manage so many people in such a large open bracket and with people showing up late, regardless of who, they have to stick by the rules or the whole tournament wont run as smoothly and there may be unexpected delays or players might not get the proper amount of set aside rest time in the schedule because other players are being late. white-ra should manage his time better esp since he's spending so much money flying out to this thing, i don't see how you guys can blame mlg when it's entirely his fault.

LuckyFool

United States9015 Posts

July 30 2011 20:45 GMT

#49

I don't think people are really blaming MLG (I know I wasn't trying to) I just hate seeing this happen and wonder if there are ways to reduce the chances of it happening in the future. No one is to blame really... oO;

RoboBob

United States798 Posts

July 30 2011 20:48 GMT

#50

Yeah it sucks but MLG needs to draw the line somewhere. Sure Whitera's suggestion starting 0-1 is nice, but it still has the potential to put ethe tournament further behind schedule. Especially if the late player is someone like Sjow or Avilo who just don't quit out of lost games.

It sucks he got cut off at 11 mins when the limit was 10, but if the limit was 15 I'm sure there'd be people complaining they were only 16 mins late

Honestly I'm more concerned about consistency than the time limit itself. The problem with CBus was that some players got 45 min leeway while others got 5. It looked especially bad when notable players like Losira had keyboard issues that delayed matches for 2 hours, but then lesser known players get DQed for using PS2-USB keyboard converters.

Catz made a good argument about his DQ vs JulyZerg, he thought His DQ was legitamate, its just that he was upset that the rules were bent for players. The examples he gave were Ret and July, who were 30+ late to their games but still got to play.

Skilledblob

Germany3392 Posts

July 30 2011 20:54 GMT

#51

looks like MLG needs some german discipline and organisation

Torenhire

United States11681 Posts

July 30 2011 20:58 GMT

#52

I think most people are upset about the consistency, not the ruling of MLG itself. I run a 20-40 man LAN and it's hard as balls to get people to get there and play on time, I can't blame MLG for doing what they do to get things moving along.

MLG just needs to focus on consistency, I think. It's good that Rob pointed out White-Ra because in other MLGs people have been late or delayed games in a MUCH longer fashion than 11 minutes, and they got okayed into playing late.

Swad1000

United States366 Posts

July 30 2011 21:20 GMT

#53

On July 31 2011 04:11 Zaros wrote:
I want to know how anyone could accept a DQ over whitera and how any ref could ever DQ whitera. These are the important questions.

Sucks that he got DQ but atleast it sets a good example for everyone who goes to MLG. If they DQ white-ra then nobody is going to get special treatment.

Unless they have given people like 30mns and still let them play this tournament or something. if they have then to hell with what I said.

Gryffes

United Kingdom763 Posts

July 30 2011 22:59 GMT

#54

Rules have to be tough or the event will never run on schedule.

benjammin

United States2728 Posts

July 30 2011 23:18 GMT

#55

this is just insanity imo, DQing a player for showing up late for 1 match? there should at least be some sort of warning system before a total DQ, and the opponent should have the option to refuse the DQ if they are willing to wait extra time. i know players being late can snowball out of control in a large tournament, but decisions like this have to be made case-by-case and not just apply a blanket rule that is inconsistently applied.

LaSt)ChAnCe

United States2179 Posts

July 30 2011 23:24 GMT

#56

On July 31 2011 00:37 LuckyFool wrote:
As many of you might have heard White-Ra was disqualified from his open winners round 2 match in MLG Anaheim early last night for showing up 1 minute too late for his match. He shows up at 10:50 local time for a match that was scheduled at 10:40 local time, MLG gives 10 minutes grace period to show up and White-Ra shows up in the last minute of his window. 90% of the rest of round 2 is still in game 1 as White-Ra is talking to an MLG ref who basically says sorry dude next time don't be late. How did this happen? Is something like this preventable?

yes, by showing up on time

the problem with this situation is that everyone thinks that he showed up one minute too late, but he was really 11 minutes too late - the 10 minutes isn't supposed to be considered into your planning on showing up, 10 minutes is late - they will let it slide because shit happens, but it's still late

that extra one minute means that you're 11 minutes late. unacceptable.

WwVudu

United States28 Posts

July 30 2011 23:32 GMT

#57

I really want to add something to this. I'm not hear to rag on MLG because they are doing great things for starcraft in North America ( and actually the world for that matter) I am a diamond player and absolutely love e sports. with that said hear me out.

I drove from North Carolina to play at the event at Columbus. Got a hotel for the 3 days at the event spent tons of money (for a college student at least) MLG staff was terrible about practicing on the computer before the event, people were fighting for space and just taking others computers who went to use the bathroom. After getting destroyed by Demuslim in the first round I was dq'd from the next day because the times that were given to me by MLG admins were an hour off.

I was pretty upset about my dq but notice it happened to numerous other players (including hte cats july zerg thing) Their times are never stable, they dont ever actually tell you what group of matches you are going to play and they make you responsible for being in hte buildings at ALL TIMES for a 5 hour period waiting for your name to be called on a loud speaker...
This makes it absolutely impossible to go eat, to go to the bathroom, shower, go anywhere really. The worst part is they are calling your name in a building with thousands of loud people.. Its just a terrible system. LOVE YOU MLG BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING

nVusPip

United Kingdom260 Posts

July 30 2011 23:35 GMT

#58

Really disappointed at the DQ of White-Ra

Being 10-minutes late can't warrant a DQ of the player, I do think the player should be penalised but not fully DQ'ed

Hope White-Ra tears up LB :D

AnxiousHippo

Australia1451 Posts

July 30 2011 23:59 GMT

#59

Damn... Unlucky for WhiteRa, seems unfair for Catz and PokeBunny though. They were told the wrong times... I can see why ThorZain stayed home.