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Azzur
Australia6250 Posts
TvP is my best matchup and I managed to get a nice ladder position because of this matchup (my TvT and TvZ are pretty weak). However, recently, the metagame seems to have shifted and I've experienced a surge in zergs and a fall in the number of protoss. The fall in the protoss meant i had less of my best matchup and I had a very painful time changing my TvZ and TvT builds to remain competitive... | ||
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bebe01
Korea (South)512 Posts
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BobbysBack
United States77 Posts
On July 15 2011 00:24 WarChimp wrote: Thus why I switched to Zerg. I can ZvP pretty well, I cannot TvP at all. Whaaa. No you can't switch to zerg. Then I can't ZvT you...T_T;;; | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
Honestly I don't see SC2 going very far past a year or two because of the strength of noobs who know how to execute build orders | ||
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Nuf
Denmark145 Posts
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
when I have major matchup problems, really gotta dissect the matchup to its most basic functions. Watch the last 5-10 TvP losses you had and see what happened, why you lost, and what you can do to improve upon that. Should be obvious, but might of missed something. Then try to find some very solid TvP pro replays, like PuMa vs MC for instance and dissect the hell out of them, understand what PuMa does to get an advantage and take advantage of MC. When I get in a slump I just watch my heros and it at least gives me one new thing to try in a game. I go thru periods where I find PvT is just impossible, seems like marauders rip thru everything I have, even if its like 6 colossus and 30 zeal/stalker, pure marauder still wins.. but then theres some times when I just own every terran badly for afew weeks. Its an odd matchup that way. | ||
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th2pun1sh3r
United States107 Posts
On July 15 2011 00:23 mTw|NarutO wrote: ................ I'm so angry right now and I just don't know a better way to get off with my anger. I seriously believe that Terran vs Protoss is Terran favored if you play it right and know how to abuse Terran to the right amount, but I just fucking can't do it. When I try to drop, he has an observer that spotted it, blink stalkers in position or a warp in ready. When I take big fights and EMP perfectly and all his colossus die to my vikings I win the fight and lose because I cannot beat the reinforcements. I fail to understand the timings and mechanics the match up totally. I don't know how I can expand, don't die to timings while having enough units to pressure myself. When I send out a drop I seem to have not enough units to do a harass in multiple places or create pressure. A Terran army is also so fragile to balance. If you have too much vikings, you miss firepower. If you have too low medivac count you miss healing power. If you have not enough marines, chargelot kill you. If you have too many, colossus and storm ownes you. I seriously have no clue, since no matter how I open or how I play, I seem to run into counters blindly or just perform really bad. Sometimes I throw away due to overagression... but I just cant SIT and do nothing and wait for Protoss to move in the open... but all my harass attemps are shut down with so much precision.. that I end up being 5 base vs 5 base.. which is not a good situation. I can win the maxed out battles, but I can never win against reinforcements, since Protoss reinforcements are nearly instant while mine are not......... FML. I don't know what is so hard about making marauders. You can win 80% of TvP's with good macro + some basic multi-task drops. You have to hit stim and run when the storm hits too.. but that's kind of obvious. Good luck. | ||
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eourcs
United States459 Posts
On July 15 2011 03:23 th2pun1sh3r wrote: I don't know what is so hard about making marauders. You can win 80% of TvP's with good macro + some basic multi-task drops. You have to hit stim and run when the storm hits too.. but that's kind of obvious. Good luck. That used to work really well for me but then protosses started to realize that there is this thing called multiple control groups for your army. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
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Mvz
206 Posts
And the fact that you can die when he expands but pressure you and just reinforce with warp-in after warp-in is so annoying. ;_; | ||
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
On July 15 2011 03:48 lol wrote: One thing I find frustrating in TvP is that you can't really punish a Protoss who has a bad army placement. Like if you are doing multiply drops and he just a-move his whole 1 control group-army to one expansion, your other "free" drop wont make any damage because he can just warp-in units to save his ass. And the fact that you can die when he expands but pressure you and just reinforce with warp-in after warp-in is so annoying. ;_; One thing I find frustrating in PvT is that you can't really punish a terran who has a bad army placement. Like if they are doing multiple drops that just means I should be able to A move his base but his got bunkers and siege tanks and ghosts and PF and then i have to waste all my reinforcement warp-ins fighting off a mixture of MMM at all my expansions while he can just throw down mules to save his ass. And the fact you can die when he expands off 4 rax while still pressuring you and rallying his barracks to your natural wave after wave is so annoying. ;_; | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
I'm not gosu by any standerds. But here is basically what I came up with for terran to destroy protoss. 7 minute timing (if he has expo, it dies) make mech. Get upgrades for mech. Get a lot of tanks and even more thors. have a full mech army and should have taken your 4th and 5th by this time. If he has colo. Then this should be decent to counter. Though you should have vikings that easily deal with colo. Generally if you play harass style he won't have as many bases. You can easily keep him from being maxed while you get your 3/3 upgraded mech and then just sit with your tank and wait for him to come to you. once he does. you win. | ||
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edc
United States666 Posts
On July 15 2011 00:37 NExt wrote: I understand how frustrating this game is so I won't say much, but coming from a Protoss player. Its not that easy. Terran are tough. ♥ gl hf THIS. I hate bioballs so much. To the OP: You think Terran is favored in TvP, and I agree with you. Just keep working on it. What league are you in? We can do practice matches if you want. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 15 2011 04:28 edc wrote: THIS. I hate bioballs so much. To the OP: You think Terran is favored in TvP, and I agree with you. Just keep working on it. What league are you in? We can do practice matches if you want. Grandmasterleague. I think its Terran favored at the very top, but I think Protoss is better and has better results at lower levels, because we Terrans don't know how to abuse all the things right. Thats why Koreans own so much. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 15 2011 04:21 masterbreti wrote: I find this funny because I am always fustrated with the PvT matchup and can't think about how to win it. I'm not gosu by any standerds. But here is basically what I came up with for terran to destroy protoss. 7 minute timing (if he has expo, it dies) Transition into marauder heavy with maybe %25 marines behind marauders. Once you get 3rd base you should be close to max. Slowy tech away from bio and start making mech. Either try to drop him to get rid of your supply or try to lose a little bit at a time in order to make mech. Get upgrades for mech. Get a lot of tanks and even more thors. Once your bio is widdled away you have a full mech army and should have taken your 4th and 5th by this time. If he has colo. Then this should be decent to counter. Though you should have vikings that easily deal with colo. Generally if you play harass style he won't have as many bases. You can easily keep him from being maxed while you get your 3/3 upgraded mech and then just sit with your tank and wait for him to come to you. once he does. you win. well, whatever you do, don't listen to this guy also, just doing drops obviously isn't enough to win it drops are more for putting their main army out of position or a really good harass if you know their main army is out of position to clean it up otherwise it does literally nothing and you'll probably be on the losing end to some warp ins | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On July 15 2011 05:16 Itsmedudeman wrote: well, whatever you do, don't listen to this guy also, just doing drops obviously isn't enough to win it drops are more for putting their main army out of position or a really good harass if you know their main army is out of position to clean it up otherwise it does literally nothing and you'll probably be on the losing end to some warp ins My point is finally. regardless of whatever he does. Nobody doesMech Terran vs Protoss. I added in bio because he seems to use bio more. If he went full mech, He would win because protoss cannot handle mech well if they are not prepared for it | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
I'm probably better off switching to an easier race. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 15 2011 05:20 masterbreti wrote: My point is finally. regardless of whatever he does. Nobody doesMech Terran vs Protoss. I added in bio because he seems to use bio more. If he went full mech, He would win because protoss cannot handle mech well if they are not prepared for it Nobody goes mech because it's awful. Period. It's not some sort of master unit composition that you've seem to figured out and that you think the pros need to pick up, but with the nerf to thors it will never be viable again. The upgrades take too long to transition into from bio so you'll probably be behind by 2/2 if the protoss is good with his chronoboosts, and it's not like the protoss has to change his tech path to deal with mech since gateway/colossus are good enough to deal with it. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
Well Bio obv isn't working for OP so he should be able to try something new. Its an older match but watch MC vs Jinro on Scrap. Jinro used mech well.. I know with thor nef its not as good, but if he plays passive, its not going to change much since thors will have full energy. Toss isn't going to run into 20+tanks, If they do i would laugh, since the tanks (if placed well, and it being Naruto I assume he would) will almost near destroy any land units. Mech is also ff proff pretty much. Only thing I could see coming from protoss that would be deadly to mech would be carriers and mass air. Getting a mothership late game. But in ,atches, both carriers and mothership are rarely seen. Nobody goes mech because it's awful. Period. It's not some sort of master unit composition that you've seem to figured out and that you think the pros need to pick up, but with the nerf to thors it will never be viable again. The upgrades take too long to transition into from bio so you'll probably be behind by 2/2 if the protoss is good with his chronoboosts, and it's not like the protoss has to change his tech path to deal with mech since gateway/colossus are good enough to deal with it | ||
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Celial
2602 Posts
Or do the Goody-style. Or change your race! Or get mTw to pick up a few more players to train with. | ||
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