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So, how do you guys defend hellions?

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tgun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
434 Posts
July 05 2011 13:36 GMT
#1
I do it a little something like this:

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whersmyspacebar
Profile Joined November 2010
United States220 Posts
July 05 2011 13:51 GMT
#2
2 baneling nests - hard counters hellion harass
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 05 2011 13:51 GMT
#3
I suppose you move that top spine to get out ^^?
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RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
July 05 2011 13:55 GMT
#4
So what happens when he decides to go helions drops your main looks pretty unprotected juding on the minimap
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
poundcakes
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway239 Posts
July 05 2011 13:55 GMT
#5
Wouldn't drops trap your drones or at least funnel them into easily roastable clumps?
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Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 14:15:03
July 05 2011 14:14 GMT
#6
Get a mutalisk? A roach? You're blocking your gas.. and also you're not spending your larva cuz you wasted money on all those useless buildings
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 05 2011 14:18 GMT
#7
And when he drops your main? :/
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taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
July 05 2011 14:23 GMT
#8
lol it's a joke guys... Anyway fxo fighting in the Gstl!
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
July 05 2011 14:26 GMT
#9
Standard.

Gl in GSTL tgun!!!
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Rorra
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1066 Posts
July 05 2011 14:30 GMT
#10
Well i make make roaches vs blueflame generally, but hey you're the player on a professional gaming team, so i guess you know better.
tgun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
434 Posts
July 05 2011 14:36 GMT
#11
You guys need to include pictures so I can learn!
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
July 05 2011 14:36 GMT
#12
Hahaha, I love the fact that there's 2 bane nests tied in with the evo chambers. =)

Do this in GSTL! They'll never see it coming... It CAN'T fail. ...nowaitno!

tgun fightinggg!~
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Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
July 05 2011 14:39 GMT
#13
On July 05 2011 22:55 SEA_GenesiS wrote:
So what happens when he decides to go helions drops your main looks pretty unprotected juding on the minimap

Scout medivacs -> make four more baneling nests.
Calm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada380 Posts
July 05 2011 14:45 GMT
#14
Hahaha I'm going to post this link every time someone asks for help vs hellions in the strategy forums. Could you make a guide for protoss and terran tgun?
Mercury-
Profile Joined December 2010
Great Britain804 Posts
July 05 2011 14:47 GMT
#15
How does this hold up against Banshee follow-ups?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 14:47:48
July 05 2011 14:47 GMT
#16
If you cover the entire base surface area in buildings, they CAN'T drop.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
July 05 2011 14:48 GMT
#17
pure gold
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tgun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
434 Posts
July 05 2011 14:49 GMT
#18
On July 05 2011 23:47 Mercury- wrote:
How does this hold up against Banshee follow-ups?


Not very well.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
July 05 2011 14:51 GMT
#19
On July 05 2011 23:47 Talin wrote:
If you cover the entire base surface area in buildings, they CAN'T drop.


It's brilliant!!
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 05 2011 14:56 GMT
#20
Just use Ultralisks instead of the Baneling Nests, so you dont waste minerals.
This is our town, scrub
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
July 05 2011 14:56 GMT
#21
On July 05 2011 23:48 Jayjay54 wrote:
pure gold


gold league, right?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
July 05 2011 15:16 GMT
#22
lol nice, 5/5
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Triscuit
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States722 Posts
July 05 2011 15:27 GMT
#23
On July 05 2011 23:56 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Just use Ultralisks instead of the Baneling Nests, so you dont waste minerals.


I would say ultras are a bigger waste of money than double baneling nests.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
July 05 2011 15:28 GMT
#24
Do you make banelings to destroy your wall so you can get out when the danger is over? It's sounds like a good call tbh.
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DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
July 05 2011 15:28 GMT
#25
Brilliant
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sc2pal
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland624 Posts
July 05 2011 15:51 GMT
#26
On July 05 2011 23:56 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Just use Ultralisks instead of the Baneling Nests, so you dont waste minerals.


false







nice :D
mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
July 05 2011 16:05 GMT
#27
I like this build because you can upgrade Melee, Range, AND Carapace all at the same time. Also if one baneling nest gets sniped while upgrading baneling speed, you can immediately start it again. Plus there's a big meat shield for the spine crawlers.
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poundcakes
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway239 Posts
July 05 2011 16:27 GMT
#28
On July 05 2011 23:56 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Just use Ultralisks instead of the Baneling Nests, so you dont waste minerals.


If you burrow the Ultralisks they don't know that you can wall and might try to strafe in for some Drone kills and then BAM! Out comes five Ultralisks and smashes the Hellions, you can even use them to kill the drops, it's that good.
The cur foretells the knell of parting day; The loafing herd winds slowly o'er the lea; The wise man homeward plods; I only stay to fiddle-faddle in a minor key.
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
July 05 2011 16:40 GMT
#29
I defend my hellions by making 20 bunkers around them and filling them with marines.

I also add in thors.

Aint nothing getting at my hellions.
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
July 05 2011 16:44 GMT
#30
2 crawlers or 4 roaches
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Luminox
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France223 Posts
July 05 2011 16:44 GMT
#31
Hey guys, you don't understand, he WANTED to make banelings in this game, no matter what, so he built a fake baneling nest to decieve his opponent and a real one to build real banelings.

OFC a fake baneling nest allows you only to make fake banelings which explode into cake and happyness for the terran marines, but the point is, terran wouldn't know which baneling is true and which is fake!

This is, in fact, the most brilliant counter to hellion harass, as now terran have to worry about being double-bluffed if the two buildings were fake banelings nest, and topgun was really going infestors.

The next meta-game shift, perhaps?...
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Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
July 05 2011 17:14 GMT
#32
Best wall off evar.

[image loading]
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 17:16:04
July 05 2011 17:15 GMT
#33
On July 06 2011 02:14 Tatari wrote:
Best wall off evar.


DTs, bro.

I can't say banshees because they don't really care about a wall off. So just DTs
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 05 2011 17:25 GMT
#34
double nest to make Banelings.. twice as fast?
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
July 05 2011 17:32 GMT
#35
Haha nice one tgun, looking forward to see you use it in GSTL!! Autowin imo.

On July 06 2011 02:14 Tatari wrote:
Best wall off evar.

[image loading]


Thats some mad paintskills bro <3
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Kleinmuuhg
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Vanuatu4091 Posts
July 05 2011 17:38 GMT
#36
On July 06 2011 00:27 Triscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 23:56 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Just use Ultralisks instead of the Baneling Nests, so you dont waste minerals.


I would say ultras are a bigger waste of money than double baneling nests.

Oh I must have missed that.
This is our town, scrub
tgun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
434 Posts
July 05 2011 17:42 GMT
#37
On July 06 2011 02:15 Torenhire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2011 02:14 Tatari wrote:
Best wall off evar.


DTs, bro.

I can't say banshees because they don't really care about a wall off. So just DTs


Banshees definately don't care about walls, that's one thing I've learnt.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 05 2011 17:42 GMT
#38
Why baneling nest over just mass Evo chambers?
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
July 05 2011 17:46 GMT
#39
No no no you guys got it all wrong. You need to mind control probes then wall off with pylons. That'll trick those pesky Protoss's.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
July 05 2011 17:58 GMT
#40
2 roach warrens are better imo, that way you can get tunneling claws and Roach Speed all at the same time. very similar to the bw 2 observatory build.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 18:16:04
July 05 2011 18:15 GMT
#41
For Terrans:
Build 5 bunkers.
Get bunker upgrade.

Put fully saturated base of SCV in bunkers. =D

Alternatively use 6 Command Centers and lift-off for added protection!
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 05 2011 18:30 GMT
#42
2 ports banshee incoming.... oh wait, its already came... in GSTL....
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poundcakes
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway239 Posts
July 05 2011 18:59 GMT
#43
But how will you build orbitals if you're using the cargo space of the command centers?
The cur foretells the knell of parting day; The loafing herd winds slowly o'er the lea; The wise man homeward plods; I only stay to fiddle-faddle in a minor key.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
July 05 2011 19:13 GMT
#44
And then a Marine SCV all in comes instead of Hellions.
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tgun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
434 Posts
July 06 2011 00:18 GMT
#45
On July 06 2011 04:13 Denzil wrote:
And then a Marine SCV all in comes instead of Hellions.


That's where the broodlings come into play! (:
ELlminator1
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia344 Posts
July 06 2011 00:46 GMT
#46
Double baneling nest, triple evo chamber viable?!??!?? I think so. Can you screen cap the build order?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
July 06 2011 06:25 GMT
#47
LOL. I don't defend hellions. I make them explode with the power of my foot.
RaLakedaimon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1564 Posts
July 06 2011 07:46 GMT
#48
I defend hellions by making my own hellions! lol To be serious though your main looks very juicy for drop play buy I'm sure you have a backup plan for that, two bane nests looks funny though. ^^
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
July 08 2011 10:34 GMT
#49
This would have come in handy...
Strike_
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands704 Posts
July 08 2011 10:34 GMT
#50
watching gsl while browsing blogs and seeing this made me lol
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 08 2011 10:35 GMT
#51
this post doesnt look so dumb now lol
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
July 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#52
Shoulda taken your own advice tgun.
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deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
July 08 2011 10:43 GMT
#53
On July 08 2011 19:40 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Shoulda taken your own advice tgun.


You're an ass
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edc
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States666 Posts
July 08 2011 11:22 GMT
#54
So... was your opponent going mass Hellions and you got anti-Hellion crazy?
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henreiman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States407 Posts
July 08 2011 11:24 GMT
#55
ALRIGHT WHO FOUND THIS BLOG
Mercury-
Profile Joined December 2010
Great Britain804 Posts
July 08 2011 11:28 GMT
#56
On July 08 2011 19:40 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Shoulda taken your own advice tgun.

well played
tgun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
434 Posts
July 08 2011 11:28 GMT
#57
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
MassIncestor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
743 Posts
July 08 2011 12:22 GMT
#58
t.t

shouldve really gone for the double bling nest
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
July 08 2011 13:01 GMT
#59
On July 08 2011 19:40 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Shoulda taken your own advice tgun.

10/10
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BluEyes
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia3 Posts
July 08 2011 13:21 GMT
#60
OK so to everyone dissing tgun saying 'seeing this now made me lol' or 'you should listen to your own advice' back the hell off!

I don't see you being the ones in the booth there playing!
I'm sure he feels absolutely fantastic that he lost and loves having you rubbing it in his face.... Not!
He's hard enough on his self as it is. He wants to be the best he can be. And you know what if you don't have anything constuctive or supportive to say why bother.
Is it fun for you to put someone down for something when obviously they feel like shit for it as it is without you? How would you like?

Tgun works his ass off and doesn't take a damn thing for granted. He has well and truly earnt his position in the team in my opinion and despite the results he has improved immensely. And I'm sure his team and many others would agree with me.

Give the guy a break. I'm sure you would all want nothing but support if you were in the same position.

FXOtgun fighting!!!!
FXO fighting!!
doogie
Profile Joined June 2011
12 Posts
July 08 2011 23:38 GMT
#61
Well said BluEyes, people should keep quiet, why kick someone when they are down.

Low blow people!

Tgun played a great game and any idiot could see he took that lose hard, give the guy a break and show some support for a player that is new to this. FxoTgun you're amazing
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
July 08 2011 23:59 GMT
#62
Haha, I found this as I was watching him play in the GSTL last night, was kind of ironic
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5654 Posts
July 09 2011 02:43 GMT
#63
On July 06 2011 02:58 OmniEulogy wrote:
2 roach warrens are better imo, that way you can get tunneling claws and Roach Speed all at the same time. very similar to the bw 2 observatory build.

It's legitimately more like F91 opening with 2 hydra dens on 3 hatch vs T.
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