im know combat irl and he is not that bad for a human being... well not as bad as what he is online. I like the kid and like the way he love to express himself but in the same way, i know it has gone too far a couple of times and cause serious anger in the community.
Lots of people look at that and thought he was trolling but i think thats the way he rolls and i respect the kid for keeping up with what he decided to do despite all the negative comments. He does go to 2 universities and do not bad in term of school work, at least better than several people i know of. Kid has a gf, parties on weekends a live a normal life so i dont think he ever value any ban status that an internet community could give to him (aka. he doesnt give a fuck).
So: TL hates cheater, bm-er -> they have their rights to ban people they dont like on their website! Cheaters bm-ers dont give a fuck: tie out. I really dont see any point arguing in these stuff since both sides are fine with the way it is. Remember how people used to think about TT1? There a tons of people who just recently joined this community and thought that "they" are the community before they ever learn what is teamliquid and i think that is the source of the problem =_=
On July 02 2011 15:30 NB wrote: So: TL hates cheater, bm-er -> they have their rights to ban people they dont like on their website!
We only have a problem with cheaters, not BMers. People bm all they want on their streams and we have no problem with it - most of my favorite streams are the rage/bm fueled ones. Lot's of bming goes on TL and theres obviously a grey area with what is in good fun vs. malicious.
I know this is the internet and we love to imagine ourselves as freedom fighters resisting censorship and promoting understanding, but seriously. Come on. This is black and white. Combat cheats.
Combat-EX does idiotic stuff in spite of established rules and that reflects poorly on the StarCraft community; the community and staff do well to cut off his avenues of reaching audiences. Hot_Bid's response said it perfectly.
I've been following the guy since BW and he hasn't changed one bit. He just doesn't belong here.
On July 02 2011 15:30 NB wrote: So: TL hates cheater, bm-er -> they have their rights to ban people they dont like on their website!
We only have a problem with cheaters, not BMers. People bm all they want on their streams and we have no problem with it - most of my favorite streams are the rage/bm fueled ones. Lot's of bming goes on TL and theres obviously a grey area with what is in good fun vs. malicious.
I have to agree with what Deezer is saying here. His stream was openly removed from the stream list and was not publicly discussed and was privately resolved. From what I understand from people such as minigun and fayth, Deezer doesn't actually stream cheat just snipe which teamliquid has stated is "ok" not recommended but acceptable whereas stream cheating is not acceptable at all. Deezer's stream was removed because he is "bad mannered" which is an inconsistent decision. The streamlist is to be accurate to the growth of esports from what I personally understand. If Deezer has a fanbase that wants to watch his stream then why not allow his stream to be there?
On July 02 2011 15:30 NB wrote: So: TL hates cheater, bm-er -> they have their rights to ban people they dont like on their website!
We only have a problem with cheaters, not BMers. People bm all they want on their streams and we have no problem with it - most of my favorite streams are the rage/bm fueled ones. Lot's of bming goes on TL and theres obviously a grey area with what is in good fun vs. malicious.
i actually have PM with nagzgul and chill said it disabled for bm ( actually no prove ive stream cheating) no replay nothing. I snipe people stream , they mad cuz they lose and said (he maybe stream cheat).
On July 02 2011 15:30 NB wrote: So: TL hates cheater, bm-er -> they have their rights to ban people they dont like on their website!
We only have a problem with cheaters, not BMers. People bm all they want on their streams and we have no problem with it - most of my favorite streams are the rage/bm fueled ones. Lot's of bming goes on TL and theres obviously a grey area with what is in good fun vs. malicious.
No you're stream was disabled because you stream cheat.
There really is no evidence suggesting that besides a few butthurt progamers that are sick of being sniped and BM'd against. Minigun and others have stated that there is no way Deezer stream cheats, and if you've actually seen him play against people on stream, he's lost to builds like 6 pool vs Nexus first (Destiny) and proxy gates (Incontrol)
Just because people are in denial about losing and think because someone snipes them on stream they have to be stream cheating doesn't mean that it's actually true. Hell, if that were the case, Cruncher's stream should be removed because he's sniped Idra before and I'm pretty sure Idra accused him of stream cheating too.
Why do people complain about TL admins so much? :/ Obviously theyre not perfect. Nobody is. And as much as I love combat, I'd much rather have the current TL admins run everything than have combat have any bit of say in how things are run here
I pretty much agree 100% with Hot_Bid's post on the linked thread. Fuck cheaters. Cheating in eSports goes completely against the values of TeamLiquid, and anything associated with cheating (linking to sites with hacks, promoting players who hack and so on) is not tolerated on the site.
TeamLiquid is not a democracy and the Law is not blind here (mods are openly more lenient towards contributing members of the community than towards new accounts for instance). If you want to be a part of this community, you have to play by its rules.
Some of these rules will obviously not appeal to everyone; some will find the moderation too heavy, the atmosphere too elitist, or the mods too anal about enforcing some rules. That's fine; if TeamLiquid wanted to be more like Facebook and appeal to everyone, it could be like that.
But it's not. It holds true to its values and encourages quality posting, while discouraging brainless memes, martyrs, trolls and cheaters. I'm proud to be a member of TeamLiquid for exactly this.
On July 02 2011 15:30 NB wrote: So: TL hates cheater, bm-er -> they have their rights to ban people they dont like on their website!
We only have a problem with cheaters, not BMers. People bm all they want on their streams and we have no problem with it - most of my favorite streams are the rage/bm fueled ones. Lot's of bming goes on TL and theres obviously a grey area with what is in good fun vs. malicious.
On July 02 2011 15:30 NB wrote: So: TL hates cheater, bm-er -> they have their rights to ban people they dont like on their website!
We only have a problem with cheaters, not BMers. People bm all they want on their streams and we have no problem with it - most of my favorite streams are the rage/bm fueled ones. Lot's of bming goes on TL and theres obviously a grey area with what is in good fun vs. malicious.
On July 02 2011 15:30 NB wrote: So: TL hates cheater, bm-er -> they have their rights to ban people they dont like on their website!
We only have a problem with cheaters, not BMers. People bm all they want on their streams and we have no problem with it - most of my favorite streams are the rage/bm fueled ones. Lot's of bming goes on TL and theres obviously a grey area with what is in good fun vs. malicious.
No you're stream was disabled because you stream cheat.
ah, i've been looking for proof of this regarding deezer
where is the proof of this regarding deezer?
(everything I have seen suggests he doesn't.)
I've also been looking for some sort of proof regarding the accusations against Deezer and have come up empty handed. I even went to the extent of looking through other forums like reddit and d2jsp.
From as far as I can tell Deezer is a legitimate player who just also happens to be very BM. I'm not sure why people are treating him differently than other "well known" BM players...
On July 02 2011 17:26 Shai wrote: IdrA was banned due to BM towards a suspected stream cheater. Seems to me TL's opinion on this is not so cut and dry.
Oh yeah, it was Cruncher, not Minigun (although I'm quite sure Minigun has sniped him in the past ^^)
On July 02 2011 17:26 Shai wrote: IdrA was banned due to BM towards a suspected stream cheater. Seems to me TL's opinion on this is not so cut and dry.
BM on one's personal stream is different than BM on the forums themselves. (e.g. TL implemented the Advisory rating system.)
OT: Thanks for summing up the situation, I had missed the last few days :/
Imo, closing the thread in question is just continuation of the precedent set by closing countless combat-ex threads in the past, complete consistency from TL, just how I like it.
I've often considered renaming my SC2 account to CombatEX just so that my games are always entertaining. If I ever encountered someone who didn't hate him, I'd just explain to them how much I need this win and ask them to leave.
Doesn't even seem like I'd be misrepresenting the guy all that much...
On July 02 2011 17:26 Shai wrote: IdrA was banned due to BM towards a suspected stream cheater. Seems to me TL's opinion on this is not so cut and dry.
More like you need to read properly. He said BM on one's own personal stream.
EPT
... your point is clear!
