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MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
July 03 2011 21:20 GMT
#81
I don't understand why they wouldn't allow Deezer to stream. I can understand Combat, but I haven't seen any proof of Deezer cheating, like others have said in the thread. Minigun and Fayth get sniped by him but said he doesn't cheat but then incontrol says he does. Who are they supposed to believe?

Btw, weren't TT1, Spades, Dimaga, Haypro etc. caught cheating in some way? Why are they all allowed to stream on TL?
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
July 03 2011 21:39 GMT
#82
On July 04 2011 06:20 MechKing wrote:
I don't understand why they wouldn't allow Deezer to stream. I can understand Combat, but I haven't seen any proof of Deezer cheating, like others have said in the thread. Minigun and Fayth get sniped by him but said he doesn't cheat but then incontrol says he does. Who are they supposed to believe?

Btw, weren't TT1, Spades, Dimaga, Haypro etc. caught cheating in some way? Why are they all allowed to stream on TL?


Hot_Bid explaining why TT1 was forgiven. Probably the same for the other guys you mentioned.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/iew2r/queen_of_the_hill_showmatch_series_community/c237nss
mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
July 04 2011 18:59 GMT
#83
Trying looking at this from a non-internet perspective and their a-hole attitudes just wouldn't be put up with.

I really feel bad for the streaming pros when they are constantly being spammed in game, pulled into group, into chats etc..

People just wouldn't do that sort of annoying behavior in a face to face situation. It is rude/childish wastes the time of the streamer, and makes the steam viewing experience less enjoyable for the silent majority of non-ahole community members.

The other part cheating stream cheat etc.. should be handled like steroids in baseball, first time a big suspension, next a lifetime ban. Grand Masters means something for people making their living out of e-sports and to have admitted cheaters taking a GM sport is a big deal to people working hard to survive as a SC2 pro.


All in all we should have to excuse these a-holes they should act like civil humans.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
July 04 2011 21:58 GMT
#84
completely agree. it bothers me to no end people think tl should promote cheaters and players who in general give the SC community a bad name. Also tl is against cheating and stream cheating particularly so why should they allow to have it happen on their site and sanctioned?
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BadWolf0
Profile Joined September 2010
United States300 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-26 04:32:49
July 25 2011 03:36 GMT
#85
Harassment and BM aren't reasons for banning a stream, but I think stalking would be a fair addition. Plenty of people stream-snipe, Deezer stalks. I've seen him spend hours upon hours doing it. No, it's not illegal or whatever but it's severely disrespectful/stressful to the other streamers to only play him hour upon hour, even while taking breaks. That's why Incontrol said to the other guy 'this isn't some random guy'. Incontrol knows Deezer pretty well. Incontrol probbly never planned or wanted to but hey it is what it is. My point is that whether or not he cheats, he goes above and beyond the usual unapproved practices. If it makes everyone so annoyed that he doesn't explicitly violate rules, well an addendum to the rules banning "repeated and known stream-stalking personalities" would clear that up.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
July 25 2011 05:53 GMT
#86
On July 03 2011 01:01 iNcontroL wrote:
thread started out great but ended up (and will continue) to be a place where people argue "combat isn't that bad" and deezer "was never truly caught"

you guys realize how much you are playing into the problem?

Combat unabashedly admits/talks about cheating. He flames everyone stream or no. He is a nuisance and is a terrible part of the community.

Deezer stream snipes and talks shit every single time you get him harassing you. Actually, for clarification he sometimes is manner but that is 1 in 10 games or so. Does he cheat? You kidding right? When I black out my stream I am something like 10-2 against him. When I don't he magically knows more about you and wins more. I will say this: He doesn't do it ALL the time. Sometimes he just snipes you.. but yes, he cheats.

And honestly ANY cheating should make you a bad person in the community not some kind of endearing one. And even if these guys didn't cheat they aren't "bm" they are harassment cases. They spam you, they get others to spam you.. they call you any and everything they can think of to try and upset you. Not that big of a deal I agree.. but why the FUCK does that somehow make them cool to people in our community? That is why threads like this and others need to pop up.. we as a community shouldn't tolerate this stuff.

I'm not against Deezer having his stream banned for BM and harassment.

However, it's wrong to accuse without concrete proof. Have a look at the hacker database and there are many people who just accuse with circumstantial evidence.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32075 Posts
July 25 2011 13:43 GMT
#87
Frankly, if there's any fault with the TL policy, it's that cheaters are allowed back if they've 'rehabilitated'. If you're dumb enough to cheat you deserve to get locked out for good. I never understood why the community as a whole has allowed cheaters back so many times. Plenty of the assholes who do it today were doing it 10 years ago in BW and everyone knew it. Shit don't change.

allowing people like that back, even if it's after a lengthy time away, makes it seem as if cheating is just a natural part of the scene and that those cheaters are more important to the scene than the people who miraculously refrain from doing it
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
July 25 2011 15:05 GMT
#88
Would this include players who stream while power leveling someone else's account for $$$?
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