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edit: This was not meant to be TL being more like Reddit, as I poorly described in the title which should of been rephrased (and immediately spiked some negative feedback), it is about improving the overall experience us users have, by 'stealing' a concept which in this specific example, Reddit utilizes (by maybe altering it to better suit TL).
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Since I'm sure the TeamLiquid community has grown vastly with the success of StarCraft 2, do you think we have out-grown the fundamentals of how this forum works for it's users?
I can find some brilliant OP's, which can quickly grow to 10, 15, 30+ pages, which instantly make me lose motivation to go through unless I really have nothing better to do (I do not mean this in a snobby way, but it can be really time-consuming when I have the choice of spending 45 minutes reading through the same topic, as opposed to going to another blog/thread or actually doing something entirely else).
In the cases where I am bored, or simply really curious/intrigued with the thread, I will gladly start chewing through all the reading material and occasionally and quite oftenly find some very well structured replies from new-comers or long-time respected members, some extremely funny joke which makes me legitimately laugh out loud, or a well-known progamer such as HuK himself, who had a very interesting opinion at the bottom of page 27.
Now this is where I think Reddit does a great job of sorting through the overall quality with their "vote" system. It allows it's readers to quickly get the quality content, without spending much time going through hundreds of users input. I'm not sure at all if this would work if directly implemented into TeamLiquid, and definitely has it's downsides as well, one being where the more "unkown" person such as myself might have less of a word when posting. This is something I like very much about the current methodology - I know for a fact there is a "relatively" high chance that as an example, a progamer I may even be a fan of might fall by this blog and actually READ what this random dude by the name Wordpad has to say from Denmark  . Having a reddit system could maybe sometimes leave a users reply in the dust, despite it being of good quality, simply because enough votes were not taken upon it.
I know we are running a forum, and Reddit can't quite be called a forum, but perhaps we can take some ideas from it, and maybe adapt it so it can work out for us? I know measures have been taken to solve the same issues I am getting into, such as the "blue-poster" feature we now have, but I don't always think it is enough. Perhaps such a vast change as the one I am suggesting, could never work.
Anyway, whatever the result of this, I will not be disappointed if people do disagree, since it was merely a quick idea that just struck me I wanted to share, and I know we have some great people running TL who quickly can assess if my post actually has something to it. Maybe you, the reader of this blog can share another idea which could help towards the issue? Share what's on your mind!
 
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This has been suggested numerous times in the Website Feedback forum.
The answer is always no.
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Oh in that case, sorry for wasting people's time :/
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On June 29 2011 13:53 Wordpad wrote:
Oh in that case, sorry for wasting people's time :/
It's appreciated that you're making suggestions to better teamliquid, but it's current format has stood the test of time! =]
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Reddit and TL aren't the same thing!
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TL will always be far ahead of Reddit when it comes to SC, so why the heck would we want to be more like them?
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On June 29 2011 14:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
TL will always be far ahead of Reddit when it comes to SC, so why the heck would we want to be more like them?
It's not about being like the "reddit" user-base, it is about changing how our forum works mechanically. The people behind it and what people decide to put into it, would stay the same. It would simply change the way it's viewers used TeamLiquid to read.
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I am not too familiar with Reddit, but from what I have seen (and please correct me if I am wrong here) Reddit also unconsciously rewards those who post soonest in a topic. Obviously the voting helps, but you are more likely to look at something if it has been posted sooner.
The benefit to the TeamLiquid system is that you can have these huge replies, paragraphs at a time, that are actually easy to read (at least for me), whereas the longer replies on Reddit just seem to be a little less likely, a little more difficult to read.
Reddit I find to be much better in terms of banter, and making funny stuff happen. But TeamLiquid seems much more well suited to an ongoing conversation. Unpopular opinions should still be a part of the conversation, if only to make sure all points are responded to.
Also, why make everything the same? Homogeneity does not make things better. I think it is nice that both exist, and that they are different, instead of both existing and being the same.
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I find Reddit's layout horrible. Alot of the good comments acutally never make it to the top, and then when you have like 500 comments or something, its a pain in the ass to read that shit.
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Ah yes I can definitely see some major flaws with that system, it could not work. I don't use Reddit that often myself, but I found it quite nice how it worked when reading through topics that I quickly could find the most useful replies. Damn I was hoping it could be a useful "fix" to those few grey-hair I sometimes start to grow with 50.000 word threads I click into  .. But comeone guys/girls, keep thinking for a bit, can you toss in some other idea's on how we perhaps could find a balance? Brainstorm a bit instead of just denying me
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I've actually been spending a lot of time on reddit, and I have to say that I like the reddit system very much for the comments in a thread, but as for the threads themselves, I'd much prefer them to stay as they are now. I don't like sifting through threads, especially now that TL's "all" feature is gone. I think the reddit style comments would be an interesting experiment though. However, reddit's design is much more of an aggregator than a forum. A balance between the two would be best.
Another problem I see with reddit's system is that most of the time, karma is based only on the opinion of the post, rather than how constructive it is, though this may not be a problem on TL.
A lot of the 'problems' with reddit are not because of the upvote system it uses, but because of the (lack of) moderation, and the fact that anybody can make an account within seconds. The users/community ultimately make the difference, and I think TL's community is radically different in many ways than the reddit community. The one liner comments and memes like "and my axe!" are comments that would get you banned on TL.net for anyways.
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The only think I'd like TL to lift off of reddit is the idea of highlighting the OP's posts in his/her thread. I think it would be super useful especially in long threads like SOTG.
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On June 29 2011 14:08 Wordpad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 14:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
TL will always be far ahead of Reddit when it comes to SC, so why the heck would we want to be more like them? It's not about being like the "reddit" user-base, it is about changing how our forum works mechanically. The people behind it and what people decide to put into it, would stay the same. It would simply change the way it's viewers used TeamLiquid to read.
Well in that case, the way the threads are set up look ridiculously unprofessional and are a clear step down from TL. Things aren't organized as well, and the white background makes it look aesthetically displeasing too.
I see no reason to change TL in any huge way, let alone towards reddit.
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no i hate the vote system. i'm not sure if you can vote down or not, or if it's just vote up since i never visit. anyways it creates this huge group blobbing(best way i could put it). people are scared to challenge the positive comment. everyone should be weighted the same, and if you respect or like their opinion go defend it instead of adding +1 to it
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On June 29 2011 14:13 FragKrag wrote:
I've actually been spending a lot of time on reddit, and I have to say that I like the reddit system very much for the comments in a thread, but as for the threads themselves, I'd much prefer them to stay as they are now. I don't like sifting through threads, especially now that TL's "all" feature is gone. I think the reddit style comments would be an interesting experiment though. However, reddit's design is much more of an aggregator than a forum. A balance between the two would be best.
Another problem I see with reddit's system is that most of the time, karma is based only on the opinion of the post, rather than how constructive it is, though this may not be a problem on TL.
A lot of the 'problems' with reddit are not because of the upvote system it uses, but because of the (lack of) moderation, and the fact that anybody can make an account within seconds. The users/community ultimately make the difference, and I think TL's community is radically different in many ways than the reddit community. The one liner comments and memes like "and my axe!" are comments that would get you banned on TL.net for anyways.
Exactly I think that is some very nice input, I don't want people here to compare the 2 websites, since that is not what I wan't this to be (should of rephrased blog-title). I know that as you mention, one-liners and lots of other crap can typically be found in reddit, it is more the mechanics behind it which may work out for us, considering the tight rules we have and that people are 'generally' good at obeying them, and the good moderation that we do have that Reddit does not.
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I think an easy way to make it fit would be to disable downvotes. I think the main purpose of downvotes is to get rid of the content that is offensive/badly written/not content, but unlike reddit, TL.net has the benefits of a full, dedicated moderation staff.
Another advantage of the reddit system imo is that you can branch comments. Huge chains of quotes are fucking annoying, and it's really hard to keep track of who said what in quote chains more than 5-6 quotes long.
The branching comments also allows many different conversations to go on at the same time, instead of all being garbled in a single chain.
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On June 29 2011 14:14 Zim23 wrote:
The only think I'd like TL to lift off of reddit is the idea of highlighting the OP's posts in his/her thread. I think it would be super useful especially in long threads like SOTG.
This is a very subtle change but could indeed be a very nice thing to "steal". We don't even have to go as far as to highlight it, but at the very least have an icon in the title which indicated that the person was the the thread creator.
On June 29 2011 14:27 FragKrag wrote:
I think an easy way to make it fit would be to disable downvotes. I think the main purpose of downvotes is to get rid of the content that is offensive/badly written/not content, but unlike reddit, TL.net has the benefits of a full, dedicated moderation staff.
Another advantage of the reddit system imo is that you can branch comments. Huge chains of quotes are fucking annoying, and it's really hard to keep track of who said what in quote chains more than 5-6 quotes long.
The branching comments also allows many different conversations to go on at the same time, instead of all being garbled in a single chain.
You should take over my blog, that was a great idea and you have some very valid points
On June 29 2011 14:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 14:08 Wordpad wrote:On June 29 2011 14:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
TL will always be far ahead of Reddit when it comes to SC, so why the heck would we want to be more like them? It's not about being like the "reddit" user-base, it is about changing how our forum works mechanically. The people behind it and what people decide to put into it, would stay the same. It would simply change the way it's viewers used TeamLiquid to read. Well in that case, the way the threads are set up look ridiculously unprofessional and are a clear step down from TL. Things aren't organized as well, and the white background makes it look aesthetically displeasing too. I see no reason to change TL in any huge way, let alone towards reddit.
Just to discuss with you (I am not trying to be biased, this is just for the better of our forums and just want to give some examples), what if we changed absolutely nothing with the organizing, the background and everything else, simply what threads looked like inside when you clicked into them? I don't want anything you mention to change and I think you dislike reddit which I can completely understand, but think some more about the sole feature by itself, which I am referring to. It could possibly be for the better. We will never be anything like reddit and I dont want it to either!
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After reading the Title, i shout a loud and booming NO!
After reading the actual post, and as stated by everyone else, there are some good things about both forums, but i really love the TL look, and the way it just works. Answer is still, imo, NO!
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