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FacetiousQ
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 01:12:53
June 17 2011 01:11 GMT
#1
I know I make mistakes and I do recognize some(like when I see the stalker trying to keep my ovy out I should have realized he was hiding something) but I want to see if anybody notices anything else that I mess up with xD

All advice welcome <3




And the BM about sentries/forcefields is simply me being "facetious" (notice the name...). I love using them when I play protoss but it's always aggravating on the other side

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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 17 2011 01:15 GMT
#2
My advice based on watching the first minute:

Change your drone rally to patches that need new drones. I know in SC2 it's like 2 per patch, but it looked like you were rallying a third to a patch that already had 2 and that's no good.

You spent too much time looking at the place you wanted to rally your overlord to. Doesn't really matter in the early game, but if you do stuff like that throughout the game it's a waste. You should should never be waiting on money or whatever and doing nothing, and when your first overlord is like that it's kind of bad for your tempo for the rest of the game.
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FacetiousQ
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States34 Posts
June 17 2011 01:22 GMT
#3
On June 17 2011 10:15 Chef wrote:
You spent too much time looking at the place you wanted to rally your overlord to.


If you mean the first scouting overlord, I was watching to see if he spawned there so I could move him away ASAP.

I was making drones in the background with 4sd (nothing else to do at that point in the game)
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 17 2011 01:24 GMT
#4
No, I mean when you were spamming o and clicking while looking at the fog of war in the middle for like 10 seconds. You could be rerallying your hatchery during that time.
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instantdry
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada308 Posts
June 17 2011 01:33 GMT
#5
ling speed could have been upgraded earlier
i usually have 1 queen dedicated to spreading creep
make a group a lings early on to poke into enemy's base to get any information
Darclite
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1021 Posts
June 17 2011 02:00 GMT
#6
While I realize you were under pressure a lot in that game, I think you needed to tech up faster. You were producing purely lings until about the 15 minute mark.

Also, try to test the waters a bit more with your lings rather than charge them all up the ramp blocked with the zealots and force fields. You can cut your losses and make him waste force fields.
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thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
June 17 2011 02:20 GMT
#7
this thing u call "rushing air" is a strat and he executed poorly, be grateful. You could have maynard ur drones from your main to ur nat and saved some than to have them all die (except for 1). A sacrificing cow would have helped you see what strat he was going and so you'd better prepared.
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FacetiousQ
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 02:29:08
June 17 2011 02:27 GMT
#8
On June 17 2011 11:20 thoraxe wrote:
this thing u call "rushing air" is a strat and he executed poorly, be grateful. You could have maynard ur drones from your main to ur nat and saved some than to have them all die (except for 1). A sacrificing cow would have helped you see what strat he was going and so you'd better prepared.


I lost 2 or 3 drones scouting and he had a stalker chilling at the edge of his base and I was 99% sure he was doing a 3base expand from my earlier scouting so I didn't see a need to scout further. I know I should have, but that's wasn't a thought during the game.

And I understand people rush air and it's a legitimate strategy, it's just annoying to deal with.

Similar to what I said about the force fields, I'm just being facetious. If I lose to air, yeah, I'm gonna get frustrated, but mostly at the fact that I wasn't able to stop it.

And yeah, most people who have rushed air against me have executed very poorly O.O
ChronoCat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-17 03:09:56
June 17 2011 03:09 GMT
#9
He didn't pressure you with any sort of gateway push early on, so you should expect DTs/VRs past the 7:30 - 8 min mark especially since he didn't expand by then
m1LkmaN
Profile Joined January 2010
Australia82 Posts
June 17 2011 09:16 GMT
#10
1. Controls - Don't spam click, once is enough. Focus on being accurate the first time. Instead of spam clicking d for example to make a drone, you can simply hold down the d key, its faster. Always use hotkeys, you shouldnt be mouse scrolling pretty much ever or clicking any upgrades.

2. Strategy - why not open 16 pool 15 hatch or something similar? You really didnt benefit from the early gas or pool whatsoever. Also, you shouldnt just say "oh this looks like a 3 gate expand, ill play purely to counter that." Its much better to rule out options, that way you might think to make a couple extra queens to defend against air (which also help for creepspread and defending against regular pressure), and get an early overseer or spore at each base. From what you had scouted, you should have been ready to face a lot more builds. His expo was late and he hadnt attacked you for ages - usually means DT or air.

3. Scouting - you scouted well early, but why not make a couple lings to scout all the time? May as well have a ling at the watchtower and 2 lings at his front. Spread overlords, dont be scared to poke around and see when hes expanded, try see some tech etc. Your first few overlords are the easiest to get in good positions for scouting later.

4. The basics - always larvae inject, use your larvae, dont get supply blocked, spread creep, that sort of thing.

5. Progressing into mid/late game - you need a better composition. Ling into mutas just doesnt do it. You need either banelings, roaches or lots of spines to hold off warpgate aggression, you need some reliable anti air and seriously, just get infestors. Theyre really damn good. Upgrades+ling+baneling+infestor+ mutas/infestors into broodlords or ultras is the way to go lategame ZvP, make sure you're working towards that.
FacetiousQ
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States34 Posts
June 17 2011 17:52 GMT
#11
On June 17 2011 18:16 m1LkmaN wrote:
5. Progressing into mid/late game - you need a better composition. Ling into mutas just doesnt do it. You need either banelings, roaches or lots of spines to hold off warpgate aggression, you need some reliable anti air and seriously, just get infestors. Theyre really damn good. Upgrades+ling+baneling+infestor+ mutas/infestors into broodlords or ultras is the way to go lategame ZvP, make sure you're working towards that.


I really like the ling/muta style of Slush vs toss and terran
The early gas was for a fast +1 melee, 9 times out of 10 that can hold a 4-gate ezpz with 0-1 spine crawlers.

I'm not at all a fan of banelings lately, I'd rather invest in other units. Generally highly-upgraded lings combined with mutalisks have been facerolling ladder, but I know eventually I'll run into some issues with it.

I am a big fan of infestors, but I'm not fabulous at controlling them so I have to over-invest for them to be useful(think like "Destiny"). It's one of those things that is a huge time investment for it to be worth it for me and I generally get attacked in that window without neural parasite and only having a few infestors.
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