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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-21 12:47:14
June 14 2011 12:30 GMT
#1
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Hi everyone, I'm virpi and this is another useless "look at me, I'm a newbie" blog.
I'd like to share some experiences with you and I will update this blog one time a week to keep track of my progress.

[image loading] (924 pts)
apm: ~150 (sc2gears)

overall stats (after week 2)
Zv* 23 - 15 (60 %)
ZvT 12 - 4 (75 %)
ZvP 10 - 6 (63 %)
ZvZ 1 - 5 (17 %)
last 10 games: 7-3 (LLWWWWWLWW)


+ Show Spoiler [WEEK 1] +
WEEK 1
ZvT Seems to work well. Most terrans on my level have terribad mechanics - I always win, when the game is lasting longer than 10 minutes. Dealing with MMM is no problem at all, because they never manage to split their army fast enough. (fungal <3) The only strategies I keep losing to are these crazy marine / marauder all-ins. (bad scouting, too much drones)
Mech play ain't that hard to counter, too. (on my level!) It's an awesome feeling to mind control thors.
Some terrans seem to have some kind of brain lag, yesterday I won against a one-basing T, who built 10 banshees after 12 minutes. (I was on 4 bases...)
stats: 4-1

ZvP As mentioned above, I was playing protoss until now, so I've got basic knowledge about that matchup. Defending mass gate all-ins is quite easy for me, as long as I've scouted well enough.
Yesterday I lost a very long macro game, because I wasn't able to prevent him from expanding. (I died to a colossus/voidray/gateunits deathball.)
I haven't played against early air harassment yet...
stats: 3-3

ZvZ Oh well. My zvz is absolutely horrible. I lost to mass speedlings, burrowed roaches, mutalisks, banelings... the main problem is my micro. Even if I'm ahead I still have a tendency to fuck it up completely. I think practice will solve the problem.
stats: 0-4

note: not much games played yet -> very small sample size.

+ and -
+ I have the superior economy in most games
+ I hardly get supply stuck

- always forgetting larva inject in mid/lategame
- my style is too passive, I need to harass more
- micro (concaves, zergling micro)

goals for next week
getting better in zvz, memorizing basic timings and improving macro (LI).

Questions:
1. I'm searching for replays of macro-oriented zergs, who like to harass a lot. I don't know a lot about pro sc2, which player would you recommend to study?
2. Ultralisks seem to suck. Am I right?

Replays will come soon. (sc2replayed refuses to work for me right now...)


WEEK 2


general stuff

My broodwar mechanics are kicking in, so I basically have more stuff than my opponents, which is great. I prefer to open macro-heavy right now (15h) in non-mirror matchups, unless I sense some kind of early aggression. (most silver players aren't able to kill my scouting drone fast enough.)
There's one major thing that I'll have to adjust, though: As most of my opponents are bad, I have a tendency to overdrone.

matchup overview for week 2 (16-7)

ZvT: I really feel comfortable in this matchup. Muta/ling/bling is working fine. Most terrans at my level prefer to play completely hilarious all-in-builds. If I manage to scout well, the game is pretty much over. For example, one guy was building banshees out of 4 starports (he had 2 bases...). By that time I already had expanded twice and had produced a large flock of mutalisks.
I've got some problems in the lategame, though: My main problem right now is that I always forget to put up macro hatches, which leads to lots of excess minerals.
stats: 8-3

ZvP: This matchup is awkward. Aggressive openings are somewhat easy to counter, because the opponents' micro is bad, but I'm really struggling against mass blink stalkers in the later stages of the game. I think I'm going to stick to a macro-oriented massling-infestor-style, if this is going to happen again. Other than that, I should be able to just outplay most of my opponents right now. Aggression is the key.
stats: 7-3

ZvZ: There are no zerg players on my level. I've had two zvzs in my last 23 games. I lost one and I won one. Spectacular!
stats: 1-1

I think I'm going to to kick metalopolis and take taldarim instead.

+ and -

+ larva inject is getting better, at least until the 10 minute mark.
+ mechanics improve fast
+ macro is becoming decent (but not good...)

- bad lategame mechanics (massive overmins)
- bad positional play against tanks in some games
- not enough harassment

the WTF moment of the week

I played against a protoss on scrap station and he was one of those achievement farmers. After the game had started, he asked me to build changelings, because he needed to kill 8 of them to get an achievement.
He also built a massive amount of sentries and hallucinated about 20 colossi. (another achievement, I guess...)
After having secured complete mapcontrol I decided to do the kid a favor and invaded his main with 8 overseers. Changeling drop!
I'll never understand why people like achievements.

goals for next week

Four things: Getting to gold, Maintaining a >60% win percentage, getting better in zvz, improving the hotkey-setup (have to use the "higher" hotkeys...)

questions

1. In Broodwar I used to play a very aggressive zvz-style (mostly 9pool speed), because I wanted to dictate the tempo of the match. What are the non-allin-aequivalents to this in sc2? 14g/14p with speed?
2. Another zvz question: Is there any micro-map for zergling vs. baneling-fights?

replays

I didn't lose very often, and the games I lost were to all-ins, which I didn't scout properly.
But here's one macro game (zvt), where I played very bad and lost:
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And here is one winning replay: (mostly for the lulz, don't know why the pic is from shakuras...)
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____________________________________________________

Thank you for your brains.
please keep the balance whining out of this blog!

*
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Kippers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 13:05:58
June 14 2011 13:03 GMT
#2
On June 14 2011 21:30 virpi wrote:
Questions:
1. I'm searching for replays of macro-oriented zergs, who like to harass a lot. I don't know a lot about pro sc2, which player would you recommend to study?
2. Ultralisks seem to suck. Am I right?


For 2) I find Ultras best as a transition out of broodlords in ZvT if the terran overcommits on vikings; As well as occasionally in the Zergling / Baneling / Infestor style of ZvP, but aside from that they don't synergise very well with the other compositions.

For macro orientated zergs that harras alot; I know IdrA's mutalisk harrass seems very good from watching hes stream, and drop / general timings in zvp.

For other zergs you can try to follow, you could try watching Haypro's or mondragons games, I don't watch all of the zerg players out there so my knowledge on all of their styles is kinda limited though . Hope this post helps.
Kaonis
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States243 Posts
June 14 2011 13:04 GMT
#3
Sounds like you're getting along pretty well with zerg! What always killed me in ZvZ was just speedlings randomly flooding into my base T.T

Also, ultralisks are terrible. Okay, maybe not terrible, just terrible.
Nevermind.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 13:16:28
June 14 2011 13:06 GMT
#4
So what league are you in?

Also, I get overrun by Ultra's plenty of times, so I wouldn't call them awful, they're situational.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Calm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada380 Posts
June 14 2011 13:22 GMT
#5
On June 14 2011 22:03 Kippers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2011 21:30 virpi wrote:
Questions:
1. I'm searching for replays of macro-oriented zergs, who like to harass a lot. I don't know a lot about pro sc2, which player would you recommend to study?
2. Ultralisks seem to suck. Am I right?


For 2) I find Ultras best as a transition out of broodlords in ZvT if the terran overcommits on vikings; As well as occasionally in the Zergling / Baneling / Infestor style of ZvP, but aside from that they don't synergise very well with the other compositions.

For macro orientated zergs that harras alot; I know IdrA's mutalisk harrass seems very good from watching hes stream, and drop / general timings in zvp.

For other zergs you can try to follow, you could try watching Haypro's or mondragons games, I don't watch all of the zerg players out there so my knowledge on all of their styles is kinda limited though . Hope this post helps.


Ultralisks are also very effective as a late game in zvz (if you can get to them while your opponent is still going mass roach). Slush had some practice games vs Destiny where he went mass ling and baneling drops into ultras, check Destiny's justin.tv vods for some examples (I don't think Slush was streaming , but check his just in case)

As for ZvP, just figure out the evo chamber timings and you should be fine. Throwing down an early spore in lieu of actual scouting information is not a bad idea as it will protect from protoss air and DT's.

What is your hotkey setup? Do you play with health/progress bars on? That may help you hit more of your injects. For me I bind all queens individually to 5-9, so I use queen hotkeys to look at each of my bases, and this gives me a good idea when I need to inject as I'm looking from base to base building stuff and moving workers to gas, etc. It may not be the best, but it helps me hit my injects a lot better.

Other than that, sounds like an ok week for you, and with solid mechanics like it sounds like you have, some solid builds will help you have a great week.

Great blog btw, looking forward to reading more of these.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
June 14 2011 13:26 GMT
#6
Macro Z player who harassed a shitton?

Julyzerg
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Kippers
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom100 Posts
June 14 2011 13:33 GMT
#7
Wouldn't July count as an aggressive zerg that emphasised game sense over macro?

On June 14 2011 22:22 Calm wrote:
Ultralisks are also very effective as a late game in zvz (if you can get to them while your opponent is still going mass roach). Slush had some practice games vs Destiny where he went mass ling and baneling drops into ultras, check Destiny's justin.tv vods for some examples (I don't think Slush was streaming , but check his just in case)


Oh yes forgot to mention, Ultras are nice in ZvZ in some cases aswell
GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
June 14 2011 13:42 GMT
#8
I think i have good mutalisk harass, it almost always makes the other guy leave. 15~25 mutas in their mineral line is harass, right? (bronze :D)

Also, a nice trick for larvae injection is to use the minimap. I have all unit-producing hatcheries bound to 5, and all larvae-spitting queens to 4. when larvae spawn, i go 4->v->shift->click on all hatcheries->make units.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ "Shift-Q oftentimes makes a capital Q" - Day[9] || iNcontrol - Alligator from heaven = ^
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
June 14 2011 14:05 GMT
#9
Sounds similar to my experience going from p to z. Although having a strong pvz is probably less of a novelty these days.

Ultras aren't great but they can be a good GTFO-unit when you have an overwhelming lead against a terran (and those guys just don't leave games, ever). Also if you manage to catch a protoss off guard with ultra/ling/bling it can result in some of the most comically one sided fights you'll ever see.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-14 19:01:20
June 14 2011 16:22 GMT
#10
first of all: thanks for your answers!

On June 14 2011 22:06 Saechiis wrote:
So what league are you in?

I dropped from gold to silver after the switch. I think I can get back to gold in 2 weeks. the first "big" goal is to reach diamond with solid play. (no complete all-ins unless I'm drunk)

On June 14 2011 22:22 Calm wrote:
What is your hotkey setup? Do you play with health/progress bars on? That may help you hit more of your injects. For me I bind all queens individually to 5-9, so I use queen hotkeys to look at each of my bases, and this gives me a good idea when I need to inject as I'm looking from base to base building stuff and moving workers to gas, etc. It may not be the best, but it helps me hit my injects a lot better.

Other than that, sounds like an ok week for you, and with solid mechanics like it sounds like you have, some solid builds will help you have a great week.

Great blog btw, looking forward to reading more of these.

I play with health bars on, which looks pretty shitty, but I think it's essential in close battles.
as a former broodwar player I like to hotkey my bases from F2 to F4. (reassigned the keys in the settings)
other hotkeys: 1-3(4 in lategame) army, 4(5 in lategame) production hatches, 6 important tech buildings (upgrade timings) / scouting stuff (OL)
my apm are somewhere in between 130 and 150 right now. (sc2chart apm)

On June 14 2011 22:03 Kippers wrote:
For macro orientated zergs that harras alot; I know IdrA's mutalisk harrass seems very good from watching hes stream, and drop / general timings in zvp.

For other zergs you can try to follow, you could try watching Haypro's or mondragons games, I don't watch all of the zerg players out there so my knowledge on all of their styles is kinda limited though . Hope this post helps

thank you! I know Idra's style and I don't really like it. He's very good mechanically, but he often seems to play very passive. From what I've seen, mondragons style is looking pretty cool. (especially the harassment)
I think I'll just check out some of the streams.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
June 21 2011 12:43 GMT
#11
one week has passed - huge update in the OP!
first we make expand, then we defense it.
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