• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:49
CEST 19:49
KST 02:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia7Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues24LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon What happened to Singapore/Brazil servers?
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia LANified! 37: Groundswell, BYOC LAN, Nov 28-30 2025 LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ alas... i aint gon' lie to u bruh... BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent
Tourneys
CPL12 SIGN UP are open!!! SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1275 users

Analyzing MLG Columbus

Blogs > Tristan
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 07:04:26
June 06 2011 06:09 GMT
#1
So with some interest I decided to download every replay of MLG Columbus and analyze them. With the help of my friend SC2 Gears I am going to show you what this sample of what the best of the best are doing with this really solid cross section. Many of these builds in the wake will be copied so its worth checking out as well as other cool stats. Let's dive into some numbers.

1. Who were the real troopers of MLG Columbus?

A few players deserve recognition for playing tons and tons of games. These are players who simply played the most games.

First we have oGsMC who played an astonishing 26 games this weekend going 19 and 7. Second with 20 games are the players SjoW and ThorZain with Sjow going 9 and 11 and ThorZain going 13 and 7. If you are curious, the winner MMA went 14 and 2, Losira went 12 and 4, and Idra went 10 and 8.

2. Build Orders:

Analyzing the build orders of the entire tournament a few very successful build orders came through:

Protoss:

PvP: Not many of these this tournament sadly, the standard (Gateway, Gas, Core, Gas) was the most used going 5 and 4. Different openings that were successful but only once used were the standard but getting your 2nd pylon after building your core, and Gateway, Gas, Core, Gate.

PvT: Best openers seem to be this 1 gas opener (Gateway, gas, core) followed likely by an early attack, and an expand based build (Gate, gas, core, nexus). Notable the most tried is the standard (gateway, gas, core, gas), but in PvT went 9-13 suggesting it might not be as effective as these new openings.

PvZ: The standard Gate, gas, core, gas just lost against Zerg, going 5 and 8. Successful PvZ builds that worked was the forge fast expand, but the Zergs were showing that they are adapting to it. Cannon rushing was sadly successful at MLG as well as quick rushes for air. Seems though that the forge fast expand overall did the best vs Zerg.

Terran:

TvP: The 1 rax fast expand followed by 2 more rax was by far the best opener at MLG, going 10 and 4 vs Protoss. In two instances a 2 rax pressure build did work.

TvT: Not too surprisingly the Marine Tank build showed itself to be a dominant beast in TvT. with 1 rax 1 factory followed by an expansion working well as well. I don't think that without watching all the replays there's a ton to learn from TvT this time.

TvZ: The 2rax pressure did amazing at MLG not losing a single time against Zerg the five time is showed up. Besides that and oen instance of a rax fast expand, Terran got pretty badly bloodied overall vs Zerg at MLG. Terran pros are likely going to be hard at work to combat Zerg for the next big event.

Zerg:

ZvP: ZvP was essentially rewritten during MLG, with many successful strategies combating Protoss coming unveiled for the first time and really there was no standards that really worked. First of all, hatch first builds worked only 2 times in ZvP, so Pool first seems to just be the way of the matchup (Both times they worked one was with many crawlers and one with roaches soon after). Double expanding was also quite common in winning BOs for Zerg. Others involved many early roaches being successful as the response to that early Protoss air harass.

ZvT: Hatchery first was very successful vs Terran. Most successful being Hatch, pool, crawler, 1 or 2 gases, lair. Also notable was a large use of Roaches and not just Ling Baneling in early game. Maybe I am out of touch but that rang new to me. One of the most interesting build orders involves beating the Terran and then GGing before he can

ZvZ: In ZvZ as well Hatch first won out over pool first. There are slightly more who went Banelings either before or instead of Roaches, but many got both early.

3. Maps:

Maps by Popularity:

Metalopolis - 45
Shakuras Plateau - 45
Tal'Darim Altar - 37
Shattered Temple - 34
Xel'Naga Caverns - 33
Testbug - 14 (I love this map btw)
Typhon Peaks - 11

Race Win Percentages by Map:

Metalopolis P:42% T:48% Z:55%
Shakuras Plateau: P:42% T:52% Z:51%
Shattered Temple P: 72%(JJJJEEEZUZ) T:38% Z:56%
Tal'Darim Altar: P:52% T:42% Z:57%
Testbug: P:42% T:33% Z:66%
Typhon Peaks: P:33% T:66% Z:40%
Xel'Naga Caverns: P:46% T:50% Z:52%

It seems the best map for Protoss is Shattered Temple, for Terran is Typhon Peaks, and for Zerg is Testbug. The most balanced map seems to be Xel'Naga Caverns and the least balanced seems to be Typhon Peaks.

4. APM:

Top-10 Average APMs:
1. SeleCT (376)
2. Losira (364)
3. ViBE (354)
4. MMA (352)
5. MC (340)
6. July (320)
7. KawaiiRice (308)
8. mOoNan (288)
9. MorroW (286)
10. Fenix (283)

I won't be rude so I am not naming names, but the lowest APM recorded was 141.

I hope you found this little blip of data interesting.

*****
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
TheMunkey
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada470 Posts
June 06 2011 06:13 GMT
#2
Interesting info
Is that in Sc2 apm? if so O_O!!
Never give up
KawaiiRice
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2914 Posts
June 06 2011 06:17 GMT
#3
am I supposed to be MSi? (FnaticMSiKR)
o_o;
and dude losira is so fast wtf....
@KawaiiRiceLighT
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 06:23:25
June 06 2011 06:21 GMT
#4

Losira's APM

EDIT: and he keeps up that high APM even while fidgeting with his hair, glasses and headphones half the time (at least his stage matches)
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
June 06 2011 06:22 GMT
#5
On June 06 2011 15:17 KawaiiRice wrote:
am I supposed to be MSi? (FnaticMSiKR)
o_o;
and dude losira is so fast wtf....


I fixed it for you.
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 06:27:57
June 06 2011 06:27 GMT
#6
On June 06 2011 15:13 TheMunkey wrote:
Interesting info
Is that in Sc2 apm? if so O_O!!


I want to know too o.O. My BW apm is like 50-80 more than my SC2 apm and those look like BW apms.

edit: Well, not if it's SC2 apm or not but how that apm was retrieved (is it the apm that's displayed on replays?)
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 06 2011 06:29 GMT
#7
I must know the lowest APM...

There were a lot of people there who weren't pros that were just in it for the experience, probably one of them.

Unless it was like TLO or something ridic haha
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 06 2011 06:32 GMT
#8
Theres no way 141 is the lowest APM lol. Axslav has between 70-95 APM, I don't t hink I've ever seen him go over 120 APM throughout a whole game, and he made it pretty far out of the open bracket and into top 28.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 06:34:32
June 06 2011 06:33 GMT
#9
I only analyzed replays from the groups and the winner/ loser double eliminations so none of the open bracket people. He is a famous player though I was surprised.
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
June 06 2011 06:34 GMT
#10
This doesn't include the open bracket right? Thorzain should have played 14 rounds, meaning he had to have at least 28 games.

6 open round, 5 pool play, 3 championship losers.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 06 2011 06:35 GMT
#11
Also, since I think its like 47 real life seconds = 1 in game minute, Losira's APM is roughly 498 APM in real time lol. 480 for Select, even Ret has 356 real time APM
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
June 06 2011 06:36 GMT
#12
On June 06 2011 15:33 Tristan wrote:
I only analyzed replays from the groups and the winner/ loser double eliminations so none of the open bracket people. He is a famous player though I was surprised.


Well considering how strong of a player Axslav is, and the fact that he has 50% less than the apparent lowest you found, I don't think it'd be a big deal to "expose him"

Plenty of players have under 150 APM that are high level players such as an Axslav, or Minigun, etc.
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
June 06 2011 06:36 GMT
#13
Watching Losiras screen gave me headaches. He was so fast I dont know how he could even see what he was doing.
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
June 06 2011 06:41 GMT
#14
On June 06 2011 15:36 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 15:33 Tristan wrote:
I only analyzed replays from the groups and the winner/ loser double eliminations so none of the open bracket people. He is a famous player though I was surprised.


Well considering how strong of a player Axslav is, and the fact that he has 50% less than the apparent lowest you found, I don't think it'd be a big deal to "expose him"

Plenty of players have under 150 APM that are high level players such as an Axslav, or Minigun, etc.

I know that's how people should think, but you know how people get. Also you never know he might be really ashamed of it. Nah I'm gas pooling and playing it safe here.
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
June 06 2011 06:48 GMT
#15
If you get a chance, spec a game with Nyomu (you can find him in the XPN or CSO korean channels) he's a nice guy and beats many of the top NA players pretty well.... he's pretty crazy to watch though. I just always feel bad he can't compete because his parents freak if they catch him playing the game haha.
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 06 2011 06:51 GMT
#16
Pm it to me then! I must know!!

SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 06 2011 07:00 GMT
#17
Psh, if you said who it was everyone would be like.. "Oh...okay, everyone knows that already" xD

So anticlimactic. I thought you were gonna give me something epic like Tyler or Idra or something!
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
June 06 2011 07:01 GMT
#18
The APM is real time (BW APM), not SC2 apm I believe... Also lowest APM is probably Sjow, that's no secret really.
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
June 06 2011 07:06 GMT
#19
I edited the APM chart because I totally didn't see MorroW and I noticed that Losire changed accounts during the tournament and for the account he spent a majority of the games in he was at 364.
http://Zangano431.tumblr.com/
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 06 2011 07:10 GMT
#20
On June 06 2011 16:01 BG1 wrote:
The APM is real time (BW APM), not SC2 apm I believe... Also lowest APM is probably Sjow, that's no secret really.


Good guess XD
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 414
RotterdaM 307
SteadfastSC 138
UpATreeSC 77
BRAT_OK 53
JuggernautJason33
EmSc Tv 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 27202
EffOrt 1078
Larva 379
firebathero 377
sSak 186
Mong 88
Dewaltoss 60
Aegong 52
Sexy 37
TY 21
[ Show more ]
Terrorterran 20
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
The International121217
Gorgc13493
PGG 30
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1217
Foxcn518
Other Games
tarik_tv44342
gofns23589
FrodaN1286
Grubby747
Lowko294
Hui .181
KnowMe167
SortOf125
ArmadaUGS103
QueenE63
Mew2King61
FunKaTv 36
MindelVK15
OptimusSC22
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1380
BasetradeTV35
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 1
EmSc2Tv 1
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 20
• Michael_bg 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1246
• Ler75
Other Games
• Shiphtur264
Upcoming Events
BSL Team Wars
1h 11m
RSL Revival
16h 11m
Maestros of the Game
20h 11m
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
22h 11m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d
RSL Revival
1d 16h
Maestros of the Game
1d 23h
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.