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pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 12:33:08
September 05 2011 20:21 GMT
#21
Finally settled into my new place and catching up on this season. Quick update of cumulative ROx appearances.
+ Show Spoiler +

Finals
MKP 3
MVP 3
Nestea 3
MC 2
Fruit 1
Rainbow 1
Rain 1
July 1
Inca 1
MMA 1
Polt 1
Losira 1
Top 1

RO4
MKP 4
Nestea 3
MC 3
MVP 3
HongUn 2
Rainbow 2
Jinro 2
Polt 2
TOP 2
San 2
July 2
MMA 1
LiveForever 1
Fruit 1
Ensnare 1
Boxer 1
Rain 1
Anypro 1
Nada 1
Inca 1
SC 1
Byun 1
Losira 1

RO8
Nestea 5
HongUn 4
MKP 4
Nada 4
MC 3
Top 3
MVP 2
Fruit 2
Inca 2
Rainbow 2
Jinro 2
Tester 2
Choya 2
SC 2
anypro 2
Genius 2
Polt 2
July 2
Losira 2
Ryung 2
LiveForever 1
Maka 1
Trickster 1
Ensnare 1
Alicia 1
Line 1
Kyrix 1
Boxer 1
Zenio 1
Rain 1
Idra 1
San 1
Lyn 1
Killer 1
MMA 1
TheBest 1
CoCa 1
Byun 1
Bomber 1
Keen 1
Huk 1


Of the eight quarter finalists, 6 had been there before, and 5 had been there precisely once before. This was the third RO8 appearance for Top, leaving just four players with more appearances than him. (Note: I didn't count the 16-man World Champs RO8 appearances, which is how MVP has more semifinals than quarterfinals.)

Every single player in the semis had made it there before, something that hasn't happened since the World Championships. MVP now ties the other two exemplar at 3 semifinals, with the King of Kong himself MKP leading at 4. Of the ten original Code Sers that have never been demoted, only one made it into the RO8 this month, and none made it into the semifinals. In fact of the four semifinalists, three of them made it into their current Code S in January. (Polt is an odd case though)

For the fifth time in a row, the Code S finals consists of a new finalist and a repeat-finalist. Fun fact: Each 64-man GSL has had two new finalists; each 16-man has had two repeat-finalists; and every 32-man tourney has had one of each. So far the repeat finalists are 3-1 in Code S finals, but the only newcomer to win was MVP himself in the very first season of Code S, so perhaps Top still has a chance. But the following still holds true: no former GSL champion has ever lost in a GSL finals. If anyone has had a chance so far, though, Top maybe has the best as the #5 TvTer goes up against #2 this Saturday.

This will be the first Code S finals between two players who qualified through Code A.
@pullarius1
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
September 08 2011 15:30 GMT
#22
Now there are only seven players who have survived in Code S since the first season: Nestea, HongUn, Ensnare, Zenio, Genius, Nada, and Clide. Of those Zenio, Genius, and Ensnare have all been sent to the Up And Downs twice, which is a pretty strong predictor for falling to Code A. So if I had to guess who falls next season, I'd put my money on them.

The only two original Code S players to have avoided the Up And Down matches altogether are Nada and Clide. Although I guess Idra technically has as well.

Here's a list of the current Code S players and which seasons they made it in:
+ Show Spoiler +
Original Code S:
Nestea
HongUn
Ensnare
Zenio
Genius
Nada
Clide
Jan 2011
July
Top
Polt II - Wildcard
March 2011
Huk
Virus
Killer
SuperNova
Losira
May 2011
Keen
Coca
Alive
MVP II
Bomber
July 2011
Puzzle -Code A Champ
Ryung
Happy
Noblesse/Cute
Asd/Nuclear
MMA - MLG Anaheim
August 2011
Ganzi- Code A Champ
Leenock II
Jjakji
MKP II
Taeja
DongRaeGu - MLG Raleigh
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pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
September 13 2011 12:21 GMT
#23
I looked for this stat, but couldn't find it, so here it is rather belatedly. There were fifteen players who played in all three Open seasons of the GSL:
+ Show Spoiler +

Check
Clide
FruitDealer
Genius
HongUn
Hyperdub
IdrA
jookTo
Maka
MC
NesTea
Polt
RainBOw
TheWinD
Zenio
of them, only Nestea, HongUn, Zenio, Genius, and Clide have remained in Code S the entire time, giving them 10 consecutive appearances in non-invitational events.Of those, only Nestea played in the World Champs tournament, making him the soul player to have participated at the highest level of the GSL for every major tournament.
@pullarius1
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 20:18:38
September 14 2011 20:13 GMT
#24
Here are some stats about exactly how many terrans we see in the GSL
In total there have been 40 GSL semifinalists. Of those, a whopping 23 have been terran. 9 have been protoss, and 8 have been zerg. That gives us a 57%/22%/20% split. Here are the stats for all the rest of the RoX's given as //. If you want to play with the data also, here is the spread sheet I compiled: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoUaXp1u73w8dC1sU19oMnNtM2RwSk5hVFREX3VILUE&hl=en_US

Total:
236/389/231
28%/45/27

RO64:
75/103/77
29%/40/30

RO 32:
82/154/85
26%/48/26

RO16:
44/73/43
26%/45/27

RO8:
26/36/18
33%/45/23

RO4:
9/23/8
22%/57/20
@pullarius1
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 14 2011 20:20 GMT
#25
Stats make me a depressed protoss.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
September 14 2011 21:38 GMT
#26
I assume these race breakdowns are partially motivated by Day9's conversations on this week's SOTG?
Thank God and gunrun.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 14 2011 23:14 GMT
#27
Hey, never posted here, amazing work sir, bookmarked
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
September 15 2011 01:01 GMT
#28
Primadog: actually I haven't listened to this week's SotG yet! Off to listen to bask in how smart I am...

I've been planning an article based of some of the stats I've been compiling, and I was surprised I couldn't find this one anywhere.
@pullarius1
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 02:20:53
September 15 2011 02:19 GMT
#29
Great minds think alike.

Do you there's now sufficient data to make a conclusion that there's serious issues with the GSL format yet? Do you agree with Day9 that part of it is insufficient attrition? My personal feel for it is the problems are beyond that, but I have yet to spent sufficient time examining the format to draw strong opinions.
Thank God and gunrun.
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 06:53:32
September 15 2011 06:50 GMT
#30
I still haven't heard the podcast yet, but I assume by attrition you mean that the turnover is so slow. I don't think that is the reason. The number of terrans in Code S is higher than it's ever been, and it's because so many T's have been coming up from Code A. Only two players in Code S now have not faced relegation, so it is not as if they haven't had the chance to be demoted. Under the old system, I figured out that you could get into Code S with a losing record, and you could fall out of Code A with just a 1-4 streak, so I think people overstate the staleness of the system.(Nifty graphic showing who got in when here: http://esfiworld.com/sites/default/files/gsl-october-code-s-overview.jpg)

In the past two seasons, terran has gone 28-8, which just seems absurd, and not a single protoss out of eight (zerg: 2 of 7) has made it out of the new up-and-downs. Terrans have gone 6-5 for graduating players, but of those five failures, a full three were due to the fact that the two promotions were taken by OTHER TERRANS. (I talked about some of these stats in an EFSI article here)

Also, and this is what disturbed me about the stats I just posted, you'll notice that the percentage of zergs trends downward the further into the rounds you get. Since this an odd statistic, I'm not sure how likely it is that that this is due to the lower resolution of data in the lower rounds, but 23 out of 40 semifinal berths seems a bit silly.

I am really the last one to call imbalance in any game, and there can be many causes of these statistics. But the fan in me really wants to see more balanced tournaments.
@pullarius1
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
September 15 2011 07:52 GMT
#31
Oh, didn't realize you write for ESFI. Will they be sending you to Orlando? I know Derek really enjoyed his first MLG as an ESFI interviewer during Raleigh.
Thank God and gunrun.
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
September 19 2011 02:09 GMT
#32
They will be! I'm really looking forward to it :-)
@pullarius1
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 04:10:07
September 19 2011 04:09 GMT
#33
So I was looking at whom NesTea tends to lose to in the GSL (trying to figure out if he'll make it through groups this season :-p), and just like with any other NesTea statistic, the numbers are pretty impressive:
+ Show Spoiler +
Open 1: LiveForever Ro8
Open 2: Won
Open 3: Rain Ro2
Jan: Mvp Champion
Mar: San Ro4 and Ensnare Ro16
Champs: Dimaga Ro8
May: Won
Super: TOP Ro4
July: Won
Aug: Mvp Champion

I don't think I've had enough stats to properly approach these numbers, but as a set of data we have that the person who beat him got to the following rounds 16,8,8,4,4,2,1,1,0,0,0 - which the zeros meaning that nobody beat him that tournament. Obviously, the median of this set is a 2, meaning that in some sense the average person who beat him got at least to the finals of the tournament. Excluding the zeros we have 16,8,8,4,4,2,1,1, where the corresponding statistic just says semifinals instead of finals. As powers of two we have 4,3,3,2,2,1,0,0 - the average of which is 1.9, meaning, again, that the average person who beats NesTea in a GSL gets to at least the semifinals.

I think those last two statistics are probably the more honest ones, but whatever the case they all agree that beating NesTea is quite a feat. In fact, the last time NesTea's victor lost before the semifinals was the World Championships. So if the mighty Group B manages to conquer the 3-time champ, look for whoever managed to take NesTea down to go deep into the tournament.
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pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
September 19 2011 17:53 GMT
#34
Here's an update of the Champion's Curse. Listed are the rounds that the immediately previous champion made it to in each tournament. + Show Spoiler [I excluded the World Champs because] +
A) It was a 16-man invite-only and B) The winner didn't participate in the next season's Code S. The previous winner, MC, did make it to the Ro4 though.


Ro32 - FruitDealer
Ro8 - NesTea
Ro16 - MC
Ro32 - Mvp
*excluding World Champs*
Ro32 - MC
Ro16 - NesTea
Ro16 - Polt
Ro16 - NesTea

Lining them up as before we get {32,32,32,16,16,16,16,8} or {5,5,5,5,4,4,4,3}.
@pullarius1
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 23 2011 21:26 GMT
#35
You're awesome.
Nothing more to say.
Oh, I'll say something more tho, that doesn't surprise me that you write for ESFI, that's the only other site that I visit beside TL, a ton of interesting articles there. Hope the site is working well.
MountainGoat
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States508 Posts
September 27 2011 21:48 GMT
#36
This is great stuff. Keep it up.
Bijan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States286 Posts
September 27 2011 23:36 GMT
#37
These are amazing stats. Thoroughly engaging.
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 03:24:36
September 29 2011 03:20 GMT
#38
So I love the idea of Lineal championships. In short, you pick an undisputed champion at some point in time, and the next person or team to beat the champion, becomes the champion. Although it doesn't really apply to most sports, people like creating them and tracking them for fun. For instance, Japan current holds the Unofficial Football World Championship, having picked it up in a friendly against Argentina. I decided to apply it to the GSL, picking FruitDealer as the first champ, and I got a pretty fun path through GSL history that covered a lot of the most fun games and upsets. In fact, a lot of title wins by obscure players marked the beginnings of very impressive runs. The current champion is Tails, who won it from Mvp in the most recent GSTL match, and defended it miraculously against NesTea. Here is the link to the spreadsheet. And here is the list, poorly formatted:
+ Show Spoiler [The List!] +
Note: round listed next to player is when they lost it.
FruitDealer Ro64 Open 2 1
MarineKing Finals Open 2 3
NesTea Ro8 Season 3 3
Rain Finals Season 3 1
MC Ro16 Code S Jan 3
Jinro Ro4 Code S Jan 1
MarineKing Finals Code S Han 1
MVP GSTL Feb 2011 2
Squirtle GSTL Feb 2011 0
NesTea Ro32 Code S Mar 0
San Ro4 Code S Mar 4
MC GSTL Mar 3
MC GSTL Mar 3
Bomber GSTL Mar 0
Ryung GSTL Mar 2
Mvp GSTL Mar 1
MMA Ro 8 Code A May 2
Bomber GSTL May 3
MC GSTL May 1
DongRaeGu GSTL May 1
MMA Finals of SuperTourney 5
Polt Ro16 Code S July 2
Bomber Ro8 Code S July 3
Byun Ro4 Code S July 0
LosirA Finals Code S July 0
NesTea Ro32 Code S Aug 1
MMA Ro16 Code S Aug 0
Polt Ro4 Code S Aug 1
TOP Finals Code S Aug 0
Mvp GSTL Season 1 3
Tails! Current Champion
Some details about my methodology:
+ Show Spoiler +
  • FruitDealer was the first champ, obviously.
  • From there, every single GSL match or game counts as a bout, including the the GSTL, special invite tournaments, and Code S groups.
  • GSTL and Code S group games are counted as a Bo1 match.
  • EXCEPT when there is one of the awkward Best-of-2's in the group stage. There I consider it literally a Best of 2 where the winner is the last one to win. This only came up once when Killer beat Polt in groups after his SuperChamp victory, but Polt beat him back to advance. Killer did not get the title for that. I mostly made this rule to encourage him to win Code S.
  • I know it's lame that a single GSTL game counts for as much of a bout as a Bo7 Code S championship, but there weren't any fair ways I could think to do it that weren't very complicated.
Some stats:
  • Suprisingly to me, almost every "champ" seems very qualified. The only players that have not made a QuarterFinals were DongRaeGu, Squirtle, and, the current champion, Tails.
  • MC has the most aggregate title defenses at 10. MMA is second at 7. Mvp/Bomber tied for third at 6.
  • MC also has the most title captures at 4. Bomber/MMA/Nestea/Mvp all have 3.
  • The title changed hands five times in GSTL March, and MMA won it back twice.
  • MMA had the longest title defense streak when he carried it from GSTL to the finals of the SuperTournament
@pullarius1
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
September 29 2011 08:43 GMT
#39
If it's not too much trouble. Who held the title the longest? From the looks of it, seems to be MC?
Thank God and gunrun.
pullarius1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
September 29 2011 13:25 GMT
#40
I realized halfway through that it would have been smart to include dates :-/
MMA's run from the GSTL to the finals of the SuperTourney was nearly a month, though. I think that one is probably the longest in a row.
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