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I want to cheese you.

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Smurphy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States374 Posts
April 10 2011 17:16 GMT
#1
I want to cheese you.

I am a Diamond Random player. I play on the North American Server.
Smurphy.359

If you are on the NA Server and want to practice against cheese hit me up. I really want people to pick out specific builds. Send me a message and link me to a build. I want the nitty gritty details. Then I'd like to play as many times as we can.

I want to learn the cheese. I want to understand it's strengths and weaknesses. It doesn't have to be specifically "cheese". Mostly I want aggressive builds that are centered around a specific attack timing. I'd really like to practice and learn as many of those as possible. I assume there are players who want to practice against those. It doesn't matter what league you are in. I may struggle to execute it properly at first. You may struggle to stop it. If I can't figure out how to stop it too I can hitup the ladder with it and keep using it until some people start crushing it. Then we can both know how to stop it

I'm about equal with each race. I belong in Diamond. I sometimes struggle with macro: get supply blocked, money builds up, don't expand fast enough, have poor multitasking etc. I think my micro is terrible. Also, I have a very poor understanding of when to and when not to attack.

I would like to learn how to cheese. I want to learn because as a Random player I will be on the other side of the cheese eventually. I want to learn how to stop it. I want to have these builds ready to mix in every now and then. Also I want builds in my mind prepared to punish opponents who do risky expansions or builds that confuse me. My opponent goes Nexus first? I want to know the perfect build to be aggressive against that.

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CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
April 10 2011 17:26 GMT
#2
Well, I was thinking about switching to FFE in PvZ (for some maps); and my biggest worry is how to hold all manners of cheese, ie 6pool, roach rush, ect; I have some ideas for how to hold, but nothing to solidified yet.
I'm CrazyFirefox.919; I'm a diamond Protoss (or at least I will be once I play my one placement match ) as well.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Maxwell3
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States88 Posts
April 10 2011 17:27 GMT
#3
I read the title as "I want to make you rage."
I'm in love with a girl named bara bell
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 18:03:10
April 10 2011 17:45 GMT
#4
You might learn to get good at cheese. But you will not learn how to get good at SC2. Get a Chinese account if you want to learn about all-ins and aggressive play.
Smurphy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States374 Posts
April 10 2011 18:05 GMT
#5
On April 11 2011 02:45 Redunzl wrote:
You might learn to get good at cheese. But you will not learn how to get good at SC2. Get a Chinese account if you want to learn about all-ins and aggressive play.


Thanks for reading the entirety of my blog and understanding what I am trying to learn.
Hans-Titan
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Denmark1711 Posts
April 10 2011 18:48 GMT
#6
It's hard for me to see this as being overly beneficial. Defending cheese is really only practiced when you know it's not coming: playing a player you know is going to cheese (and I mean not like you know OctZerg would cheese back in the BW days; litterally cheese 100% of the times) would result in very marginal gain compared to just playing normal games IMHO. You can force yourself to do normal builds, but when you know something is coming, even if you a build that plays into your opponents cheese, your reaction will be different.

Good luck with your project - I was positively surprised by the amount of thought put into the OP.
Trying is the first step towards failure, and hope is the first step towards disappointment!
Smurphy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States374 Posts
April 10 2011 19:27 GMT
#7
On April 11 2011 03:48 Hans-Titan wrote:
It's hard for me to see this as being overly beneficial. Defending cheese is really only practiced when you know it's not coming: playing a player you know is going to cheese (and I mean not like you know OctZerg would cheese back in the BW days; litterally cheese 100% of the times) would result in very marginal gain compared to just playing normal games IMHO. You can force yourself to do normal builds, but when you know something is coming, even if you a build that plays into your opponents cheese, your reaction will be different.

Good luck with your project - I was positively surprised by the amount of thought put into the OP.


One thing I did not mention is that when I scout someone else I sometimes don't properly identify the what my opponent is doing. I see something a little strange and don't think much beyond "hey, that's a little strange." Doing a lot of builds myself I think will allow me to identify what an opponent is doing more easily. "Hey, he skipped XXX: I know what that means!"
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