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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
I'm trying to interpret an excerpt of "Logische Untersuchungen" "Der Gedanke" and having issues with Frege using "Bedeutung" despite him already using it in other books in a special Fregian sense. I figured Teamliquid would give me some outside views and most importantly some ideas from non-native Germans on how to describe the meaning of it to contrast this with his 'definition'. Hoping for some answers! Thanks  | ||
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GERMasta
Germany212 Posts
So if I think of a chair, say the word 'chair' and point to a chair, I express meaning, which in turn may or may not be understood by my audience. That also implies that the word 'ndfaskfs' is meaningless, since it has no object and (therefore) no concept of the object that it can refer to. | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
Because if u use "Bedeutung" in: "Was ist die Bedeutung deiner Worte?" U actually don't ask for an object but more for a sense(Sinn). Same is applied to a chair: if I am saying chair without directly pointing towards one, the Bedeutung of my words is not an object but more of a general concept. Or like "Odysseus built the Trojan Horse", where you are not talking about an object that does actually exist, so you don't actually have a reference for the word, but still there is a Bedeutung(umgangssprachlich). Maybe I'm not getting this right:"concept of the object in question." Thanks for ur answer | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10831 Posts
Was ist die Bedeutung deiner Worte?" U actually don't ask for an object but more for a sense(Sinn). My go, in short would be: Bedeutung = "The sense a "certain thing" makes or has in a specific context" But i am far from an expert at this  . | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
On April 06 2011 23:01 Velr wrote: My go, in short would be: Bedeutung = "The sense a "certain thing" makes or has in a specific context" But i am far from an expert at this .I like that one. It actually describes quite well how I wld understand it if I wouldn't read frege all the time. thanks | ||
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GERMasta
Germany212 Posts
So yeah, I think you understood what I meant (no pun intended), except that Bedeutung is not an object, but a relationship between word and mental concept. | ||
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RolleMcKnolle
Germany1054 Posts
 I'm feeling like this might be what I was looking for. It actually describes the role Bedeutung has in most German sentences without being too much like Freges Bedeutung or too exact. | ||
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