EPTThe question becomes how to do you view these hiccups such as MLG. Are they problems that can be overcome or a reason to go bitch in LR and declare sc2 dead on arrival. Personally I choose the former, the only reason I bitch in LR is if Stork loses :D
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
The question becomes how to do you view these hiccups such as MLG. Are they problems that can be overcome or a reason to go bitch in LR and declare sc2 dead on arrival. Personally I choose the former, the only reason I bitch in LR is if Stork loses :D | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On April 05 2011 15:44 drewbie.root wrote: hmunkey, you can't view MLG as just another business. If the Radio Shack in your town keeps messing up despite constant complaining, people will stop going there, and it will close down. Big deal. If that happens to Major League Gaming, suddenly we don't have a place to congregate, we don't have an avenue for live competitive play for thousands of dollars six times a year throughout the country. If we don't support MLG despite their short-comings, the game that we watch and play and discuss here every day would take a huge blow to its success and its feasibility for competition and for entertainment. Edit: LOL LOOK I'M DREWBIE. Just kidding, this is JoshSuth. I'm using drewbie's laptop to export videos, forgot to log out. My bad. =P So I should support MLG despite any mistakes the make and the complainers are in the wrong solely because MLG is important? I disagree with that notion. Maybe it's the pragmatist in me, maybe the cynic, but I don't think companies should be able to deliver a shoddy product regardless of their position. Hiding under the label of "supporting eSports" doesn't mean they shouldn't receive as much criticism as any other business. Thankfully though, we now have the IPL and NASL, and with competition MLG will be forced to improve their events out of necessity. The same mindset applies to pretty much every company when you think about it. If Google was unable to maintain a site with accurate results and steady uptime, you can bet people will complain. However, we're lucky Google has stuff competition and thus makes sure their product is the best it can be. With the new western eSports competition we have here, MLG will hopefully do the same. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
 Thanks Anna. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10908 Posts
There is just absoluetly NOTHING to he happy about for people like me that tryed to watch it from their homes. It was probably the worst "professional"-tournament that ever was streamed (or better: should have been streamed). Even after the stream was "up" there were unessesary downtimes while the top 8 (?) were duking it out. No Complaining? There is nothing else to do. This was the worst viewing experience of any SC2 tournament i have ever watched (that includes weekly tournaments). Or is "positive" feedback something like: The games you showed were awesome! Please try to show many more next time! | ||
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Feverus
71 Posts
Negative comments do present value. MLG is looking at a goldmine of viewership, which is why they are interested in Starcraft II. It's easy to assume that any major sponsorship of gaming is good for gamers, but that's not true. (If you haven't figured this out yet, go watch G4TV.) The outcry we see sends a message that MLG does need to satisfy certain basic requirements in order to pull these viewer numbers. I'd rather see MLG fail than I would a truly horrible tournament draw the community's attention and money away from other contenders. Hate complaining? There is nothing stopping you from writing a post you consider to be more helpful and more positive. The onus is on MLG to consider feedback, take a long, hard look at themselves, and live up to higher standards beyond just keeping the stream running. | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On April 05 2011 15:44 drewbie.root wrote: hmunkey, you can't view MLG as just another business. If the Radio Shack in your town keeps messing up despite constant complaining, people will stop going there, and it will close down. Big deal. If that happens to Major League Gaming, suddenly we don't have a place to congregate, we don't have an avenue for live competitive play for thousands of dollars six times a year throughout the country. If we don't support MLG despite their short-comings, the game that we watch and play and discuss here every day would take a huge blow to its success and its feasibility for competition and for entertainment. Edit: LOL LOOK I'M DREWBIE. Just kidding, this is JoshSuth. I'm using drewbie's laptop to export videos, forgot to log out. My bad. =P I pointed this out while replying to Anna, but I don't see why everyone is putting their eSports eggs into MLG's baskets. Say MLG dies, then another organization will take its place - NASL? IPL? Another eSports startup? If we want the best for eSports, I say support the organization that does it the best. I'm pretty sure MLG are aware of their mistakes, and they aren't going to get fixed with us patting them on the back and saying "Man you guys really tried, A for effort." I'm actually an optimist when it comes to ESPORTS, so I agree that we should all try to improve it, but we can't just give everyone a high five for trying. There are a lot of startup tournaments that never got off the ground or have just died due to lack of interest or them being poorly run. If I don't support them, am I killing eSports because I won't congratulate them on a poorly run effort? | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On April 05 2011 15:42 uNcontroLable wrote: Plz read the OP before debating. Sorry if you think I didn't read what you had to say, because I truly did and I agreed with parts of it to an extent. That said, I'd still like to direct you towards my final paragraph: "Complaining and cynicism can be negative things, but they're absolutely crucial for improvement. We're no longer in grade school where constructive criticism is the only way to handle things. We're dealing with multimillion dollar organizations." Maybe I wasn't clear enough in what I meant, so here I go again. Constructive criticism is a great thing; no one will argue with you there. However, MLG is a company. The pressure is on them to make sure they deliver a satisfactory product, not on us. Personally I don't find whining to be worth my time, but if others want to, they're completely entitled to it. MLG asked for money in exchange for a product they didn't deliver. They didn't donate anything out of the kindness of their hearts. The complaining absolutely helps. It tells MLG they messed up. It shows them that their revenue stream is in jeopardy. It forces them to work towards a solution. If we were talking about the game for charity marathons, I would not be taking the "they're a company, they need to figure it out" standpoint. But we're not, so I am. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On April 05 2011 16:00 Velr wrote: The last MLG was the worst of all MLG's for everyone not at the event themselves. Day 1 and 2 were nearly not existant, day 3 was also delayed and had unnessesary waiting times. There is just absoluetly NOTHING to he happy about for people like me that tryed to watch it from their homes. It was probably the worst "professional"-tournament that ever was streamed (or better: should have been streamed). Even after the stream was "up" there were unessesary downtimes while the top 8 (?) were duking it out. No Complaining? There is nothing else to do. This was the worst viewing experience of any SC2 tournament i have ever watched (that includes weekly tournaments). Or is "positive" feedback something like: The games you showed were awesome! Please try to show many more next time! This is what happens when you try to post without reading the OP, thinking you have the gist. =/ | ||
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
Was going to write a lot more but can't really top the OP.. so... well said | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
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Inkcrow
United Kingdom215 Posts
Well said Anna. | ||
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.AK
United States561 Posts
On April 05 2011 16:00 Velr wrote: The last MLG was the worst of all MLG's for everyone not at the event themselves. Day 1 and 2 were nearly not existant, day 3 was also delayed and had unnessesary waiting times. There is just absoluetly NOTHING to he happy about for people like me that tryed to watch it from their homes. It was probably the worst "professional"-tournament that ever was streamed (or better: should have been streamed). Even after the stream was "up" there were unessesary downtimes while the top 8 (?) were duking it out. No Complaining? There is nothing else to do. This was the worst viewing experience of any SC2 tournament i have ever watched (that includes weekly tournaments). Or is "positive" feedback something like: The games you showed were awesome! Please try to show many more next time! Is this sarcastic or are you just going out of your way to do the opposite of this blog's point? Edit: Good read Anna I sincerely hope more people take this point of view during upcoming venues. | ||
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Swerc
United States124 Posts
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VGGnome
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AzurewinD
United States569 Posts
On April 05 2011 15:52 hmunkey wrote: So I should support MLG despite any mistakes the make and the complainers are in the wrong solely because MLG is important? I disagree with that notion. Maybe it's the pragmatist in me, maybe the cynic, but I don't think companies should be able to deliver a shoddy product regardless of their position. Hiding under the label of "supporting eSports" doesn't mean they shouldn't receive as much criticism as any other business. Thankfully though, we now have the IPL and NASL, and with competition MLG will be forced to improve their events out of necessity. The same mindset applies to pretty much every company when you think about it. If Google was unable to maintain a site with accurate results and steady uptime, you can bet people will complain. However, we're lucky Google has stuff competition and thus makes sure their product is the best it can be. With the new western eSports competition we have here, MLG will hopefully do the same. I hope you understand that you're essentially arguing that we will get better results out of companies by being Grade A Douchebags than by tempering criticisms with constructive commentary. We're all representatives of the esports community, we should conduct ourselves as such. This: 'I'm dissatisfied with the product you offered because of X, Y and Z. I think you should consider A, B, and C as future options, otherwise you will lose my patronage" ...speaks volumes more than this: "You're a fucking terrible company. You and your employees are all the sons of whores; the spawn of Satan himself, sucking the tainted cock of mediocrity. " Nowhere did she state we should blindly support MLG. This is why you're getting comments in the vein of "read the original post". Hope that clears things up a bit. | ||
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Civzero
Canada14 Posts
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Feverus
71 Posts
If you distill OP down, it's basically saying "I think there are too many shitty comments on the internet". It has nothing to do with negative vs. positive because criticizing truly good negative comments just makes you sound intellectually disadvantaged. Given this redefinition of her argument as provided in the quote, I agree with Anna. I hope you all will forgive me for not delving into the self-help book, yes? | ||
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Grantiere
United States129 Posts
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Ajax-
United States10 Posts
Anyways, complaints without proposed solutions are worthless. Constructive criticism != Complaining. Good post, and I agree that we need to put our collective heads together and be a supportive group of people trying to push e-Sports forward in its "evolution." [e]: I'm not arguing with the OP, I am arguing with the nay-sayers. | ||
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HeadDesk
United States171 Posts
And also, thanks for all the amazing twitter updates during MLG Dallas when the streams were down and what not! <3 | ||
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